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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:33 PM Original message |
Krugman: "this is a major program to aid lower- and lower-middle-income families" |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
1. Makes sense... worth a rec |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is why the idea of "progressives" killing it is so ludicrous - but some people think punishing |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. When you have to sell something as often as Krugman is selling this bill |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
23. I live in Norway, with a single-payer system |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I dont consider mandates as the same thing as an increase in taxes |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Mandates can be like progressive taxes |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. What do you mean, taxes must be paid too, by individuals, just like mandates? |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. The subsidy is 100% for incomes up to the poverty line |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. get a subsidy of 100 % of the premium |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I don't know |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Thats pretty much correct |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 06:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Ok, so it seems that |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. If you get a reply from him I hope you post it in a new thread |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I will! |
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jbnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
81. No idea where you are getting your numbers |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
77. People at 100% poverty line will be put on Medicaid. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
83. The official poverty line in the U.S. is so low that it's ridiculous |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
78. People on the bottom pay a higher percentage of taxes in |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. You need a new dictionary |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. A few drops in a frying pan? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Look where the poverty line is set |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Perhaps, I don't know |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Baloney |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. You should be very wealthy soon |
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Hansel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
79. Up to 400% of the poverty line get subsidies. Not just 100%. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. The subsidies stop at 400% FPL. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. And, the subsidies are only for the premium |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. And those out of pockets are going to stop them from getting care |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Good points (nt) |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
74. Exactly. Individual mandates are, in effect, a massive and hugely regressive |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
95. He's right |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
73. Mandates ARE more of an affront than taxes, because mandate=tax + dedicated 100% INS CO PORK nt |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
84. You cannot compare mandates to taxes. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
4. Don't bother the haters with facts. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
5. This is what being a Democrat is all about |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
68. Yes and it's about COMPROMISE--America will be better for this plan |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
6. Well Paul, since it "simulates single-payer", all those subsidies magically reduce per capita costs |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. ... while it bleeds and taxes the Middle Class out of existence. |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Of course you wish he would shut up, he is DESTROYING your precious talking points. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. No, he's a talking political elite who garners little to no respect ... he can shove his |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. . |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. +100000 |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. -100001 |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. *I know you are but what am I* post? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Wow-you sure sound bitter, Rush... |
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phleshdef (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. " talking political elite who garners little to no respect ", so basically he is you, except elite. |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
69. YES...the Party of No can't say their favorite word anymore. nt |
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johan helge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. You sound like an anti-tax Republican |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
70. That's quite the exaggeration. This type of tax hasn't resulted in a dismal |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
8. k&r. thank you for posting this, ProSense. clarifying! nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #8 |
66. Not if you think. nt |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #66 |
80. ha haha! clearly, better than you do. nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. People who post a bunch of "ha ha" |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 11:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. nah. just all your pure put down one liner deserved. nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I guess if you can't address the post of subject |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. like you care about debate. i posted in support of someone. nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. If you can't, you can't. Got it. nt |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 03:29 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. won't. g'bye. nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Sometimes brevity is the soul of witless. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
9. It's BAD for the Middle Class: |
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nonsequitur (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #9 |
76. +1 |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
10. Your user name is most apt these days prosense. K and R |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
12. Something no one is bringing up but that is important to the debate is, |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. The subsidies to me seem part of the problem |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
14. The evidence is crystal clear. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. Good math |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. LOL! Here's ProSense bashing Krugman: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. No, that's diagreeing with Krugman. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. That's bashing? Would you like me to search and find real bashing from those |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. And here's you praising Krugman: |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. so, i used to praise him, until he got with "message discipline" |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. . |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. that was fast! you're keeping up with your quotas |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Yeah, ok. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! haha! |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
18. Facts are overrated. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
28. Yep- it's a huge victory to throw tons of money at a corrupt and abusive industry |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I don't think you understand reform |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
43. You're clueless about that (and perhaps dishonest to boot) |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
67. "Toothless regulations " More speculation |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Well, where are the supposed teeth? It seems enforcement is kicked down |
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MerryBlooms (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. Thank you for the info, much appreciated. n/t |
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firedupdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
41. Rec'd...thanks for posting this info. n/t |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
49. A |
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WeCanWorkItOut (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
55. Mandates are a regressive. Lower income people are hurt, forced to subsidize those with more money |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
56. Rec'd for facts |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-26-09 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
58. Krugman demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of progressives |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
63. As long as they aren't old |
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Digit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Yep |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
71. What Paul doesn't get is I don't give a damn if people have insurance |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
72. % of Povert is an extremely misleading statistic (set long ago WAY too low) |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Considering full time at min wage is like 150% of poverty for a single you're |
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ProgressOnTheMove (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
85. I think Krugman most likely has the best assessment when it comes the the numbers. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
92. Under the bus ya go, Krugman |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
94. The hard-sell, force-feeding tactics employed by PK and the OP |
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