Let's bomb Yemen!!!

[impik]

It didn't take Joe Lieberman too long:


Sen. Joseph Lieberman, (I-Conn) a renowned hawk and one of the foremost champions of the invasion of Iraq, warned on Sunday that the United States faced “danger” unless it pre-emptively acts to curb the rise of terrorism in Yemen.

“Somebody in our government said to me in Sana’a, the capital of Yemen, Iraq was yesterday’s war. Afghanistan is today’s war. If we don’t act preemptively, Yemen will be tomorrow’s war,” Lieberman said, during an appearance on “Fox News Sunday”. “That’s the danger we face.”

Clown.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/

[graywarrior]

1. Why doesn't he gear up and lead the troop of one--him!

He could whine them to death.

[atreides1]

6. Why?

Because of that yellow stripe down his back, that's why!!!

[timeforpeace]

12. Hey folks, Obama already bombed the shit out of Yemen 2 weeks ago. Remember?

[johnaries]

26. No, the Yemeni govt made 2 airstrikes on al Qaeda bases in it's

own borders.

[tekisui]

37. It was the US that fired the missles.

[timeforpeace]

39. On Obama's orders. It was in all the papers. And posted here numerous times.

[johnaries]

47. To SUPPORT the Yemen governments raids. see post #46.

[johnaries]

46. The US fired cruise missiles in the second set of strikes IN SUPPORT

of the Yemen airstrikes and raids of al Qaeda bases within Yemen's borders.

A Yemeni official at the country's embassy in Washington insisted to ABC News Friday that the Thursday attacks were "planned and executed" by the Yemen government and police.
Along with the two U.S. cruise missile attacks, Yemen security forces carried out raids in three separate locations

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236&page=2

That is completely different from "bombing the shit out of Yemen". Get your facts straight.

[Cha]

2. Fuck off lieberman, you and the corporatemedia..fuck off.

[rockymountaindem]

3. Well yeah. When all you think about is war, it's going to keep happening over and over

[Ken Burch]

27. And it won't happen if we DON'T think about it?

:wtf:

[Behind the Aegis]

28. Way to miss the point.

Suggestion: re-read the OP with RMD's post opened in another window, then you might be able to understand the point RMD made.

[Ken Burch]

29. Well, he may be saying that we should just accept war as inevitable and permanent

Which also means we need to accept that life is without hope, dignity, beauty or meaning, none of which can be found in a permanent war mindset.

I choose to try to find a way to live. Those who defend war choose to make other people expendable for what are almost always meaningless and transitory short-term results.

[Behind the Aegis]

30. So basically, you failed to understand his very simple post?

I figured as much, but thought if I explained how to "read for comprehension" you'd get it. I will be more basic...

rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Sun Dec-27-09 03:20 PM
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3. Well yeah. When all you think about is war, it's going to keep happening over and over

This was a response to the OP. What was written in the OP?

"Sen. Joseph Lieberman, (I-Conn) a renowned hawk and one of the foremost champions of the invasion of Iraq, warned on Sunday that the United States faced “danger” unless it pre-emptively acts to curb the rise of terrorism in Yemen."

"If we don’t act preemptively, Yemen will be tomorrow’s war,” Lieberman said, during an appearance on “Fox News Sunday”. “That’s the danger we face.”"

OK, I "re-bolded" to help you. RMD's post was in response to Lieberman, et al, who are always "thinking" about war and, therefore, create the very situation in which they claim they wish to avoid.

Edit: left out a "[" in formatting.

[Ken Burch]

31. It wasn't actually clear who he was saying that to.

If he was saying that to Lieberman, than I was mistaken. Whatever.

Can you kindly let it go at that?

There was no reason for you to be sniping at me here.

I think it would be insane and unconscionable for us to launch bombing raids against Yemen or fire missiles at it, especially since we don't know where to aim them and the result would almost certainly be large scale loss of innocent civilian life.

Do you agree with that, or are you with Lieberman on this?

I don't want to debate you here, just want to know where you stand on this.

[Name removed]

32. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Behind the Aegis]

33. Then ASK!

[rockymountaindem]

36. Thank you for getting what I was going for

It was a "when your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" thing. Unfortunately everybody's kind of high-strung around here lately so I guess I got misinterpreted.

[Ken Burch]

41. I appreciate your clarification.

n/t.

[DJ13]

4. Lieberman should know better

If Yemen had anything to do with it you bomb Haiti according to the Bush Doctorine.

[NewLIfeArea]

5. people of Conn.

He must go!!!!!!

[liberal N proud]

7. I will support if if we can strap Lieberman to the first and only bomb.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. Like I said, I wonder who we will be dropping bombs on next

year... someone said some other obscure location but Yemen sounds like it would be nice in the winter.

[louis-t]

9. Yes, definitely, Joe. Forget about "yesterday's wars".

They are failures. On to new glorious endeavors. Fucking idiot.

[depakid]

10. errrr... We already have.

[KrR]

11. Ugh we need to bomb Israel n/t

[Jim Sagle]

34. You need to fuck off and die.

[valerief]

13. Yeah, man, Yemen! NOT. nt

[lib2DaBone]

14. Yipee!!! Let's Bomb Yeman... Lieberman said it's OK.. why not do it?

[tekisui]

15. Again?

We have been for a while now.

[Phx_Dem]

16. No kidding! If you and I know that, why wouldn't Lieberman?

And clearly we've had a good reason to bomb them.

[lib2DaBone]

17. Obama Increases Aid to Israel... (not that we need it at home)

Obama seeks to double US foreign aid

Israel is expected to receive $2.77 billion in aid in 2010, as called for in the memorandum of understanding in place between the two countries that increases the allocation from the $2.5b. given this year, though the specific sum wasn't detailed in the budget overview. The $3.55 trillion budget overview gave no figures for specific foreign aid programs or other spending, but focused broadly on priorities such as health care reform and education.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1235410727744&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

[totodeinhere]

18. Bomb Connecticut!! n/t

[Jennicut]

21. please, as a good liberal who lives there, please don't. Just bomb Joe's house

in Stamford. LOL.

[gmoney]

19. .

[Arkana]

20. Oh, for the love of whatever God exists, SOMEONE KICK HIS ASS!

[Odin2005]

22. What a moron. We are already overstretched, Loserman!

Where are the troops gonna come from, Joe? Your ass? We are still getting out of Shrub's Iraq clusterfuck and cleaning Islamist nuts out in Afghanistan. Does this idiot think we have 8 arms?

let's bomb Joe's house.

[Oregone]

23. Yemen was bombed on Dec 24th, upon authorization from Obama

[johnaries]

25. The Yemeni govt carried out an air strike on al Qaeda bases

located in Yemen, with US assistance.

Big difference from your implications, oh spinmeister.

[Oregone]

35. Obama Ordered U.S. Military Strike on Yemen Terrorists

Cruise Missiles Launched Thursday Hit Two Suspected al Qaeda Sites; Major Escalation of US Efforts Against Terrorists

On orders from President Barack Obama, the U.S. military launched cruise missiles early Thursday against two suspected al-Qaeda sites in Yemen, administration officials told ABC News in a report broadcast on ABC World News with Charles Gibson.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236

Who is spinning what?

[johnaries]

43. Note I said "with US assistance" and read the rest of the article.

A Yemeni official at the country's embassy in Washington insisted to ABC News Friday that the Thursday attacks were "planned and executed" by the Yemen government and police.

Along with the two U.S. cruise missile attacks, Yemen security forces carried out raids in three separate locations

Also please notice the pic of the Yemeni helicopter in the article.

You spin it to sound like we were attacking Yemen. In fact, we were simply aiding the Yemen government with it's efforts.

[Oregone]

49. LOL

Yes, the benign cruise missiles were simply the "assistance" to the raids.

Whoever has it backwards here might be more about if the news here is reflecting reality. But as far as the spin goes, I think you got that angle covered

[Overseas]

24. No First Strike. No more Bush Doctrine. //nt

[MadHound]

38. Umm, the Obama administration has already done that about four days ago

Yemen is the next front in this never ending "war on terra".

[avaistheone1]

44. War on terra

says it well.

[tomm2thumbs]

40. Why don't we just make Joe Lieberman live there - that is worse than bombing them

wait - that would be considered beyond torture - I am sorry for suggesting it

[old mark]

42. Let's bomb EVERYBODY ELSE, just to make sure.....can't tell about these sneaky

foreigners....


mark

[zulchzulu]

45. I was watching Fixed Noise and the commentator was saying Yemen is the new buzzword

Unfortunately, the panel replied that it's been a story since the USS Cole bombing...

[Douglas Carpenter]

48. but almost all of the current fighting in Yemen concerns the Houthi rebels - not Al Qaeda

The Houthi are members of a breakaway sect from Shiite Islam called Zaydism who make up 40% to 45% of the Yemeni population. The Saudis and some others are accusing the Houthi rebels of being supported by Iran. Although no hard evidence has yet been made public to support that accusation. Although, the Iranian state media are certainly sympathetic to the Houthi. Some are suggesting that we are witnessing a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. But again there is not enough independent information to judge if that is a fair analysis or not.

So what the hell is really going on? It would be extremely unlikely that the Houthi are now allied with Al Qaeda who are militantly Sunni and would consider Zaidis to be nonbelievers on par with Sufis or Alawis.

So whatever is really going, we keep hearing the word Al Qaeda being tossed around in regards to Yemen. But almost all the recent actual fighting concerns a groups that may or may not be actively supported by Iran, but almost certainly have nothing to do with Al Qaeda.

I don't doubt that Al Qaeda have a presence in Yemen. But it would be extremely unlikely that they would have anything to do with
the Houthi rebellion which is what almost all of the current fighting in Yemen concerns. My guess is that the "Al Qaeda card" is being played to attack more support for the Yemeni and Saudi governments in their domestic civil war against the Houthi uprising.

Since there is no independent media anywhere near the actual fighting and no independent international observers anywhere near the fighting - at least as far as anyone knows - the whole things sounds most confusing.

here is one interesting article from Foreign Affairs:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/65730/joost-r-hiltermann/disorder-on-the-border


.

[treestar]

50. Geez, i hate to defend Lieberass

But he did refer to other actions, to avoid a war. It's quite clear in that sentence he is not advocating a war.

[LatteLibertine]

51. Nah

don't waste live there. Deploy drones and blast their camps with that.