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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:37 PM
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The Record Some Would Prefer To Forget
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_12/021647.php

THE RECORD SOME WOULD PREFER TO FORGET.... Just six years ago, congressional Republicans approved a major expansion of the government's role over health care, adding a massive amount of money to the national debt in its first decade.

The AP's Charles Babington reports that most GOP officials no longer want to talk about their own record.

Six years ago, "it was standard practice not to pay for things," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "We were concerned about it, because it certainly added to the deficit, no question." His 2003 vote has been vindicated, Hatch said, because the prescription drug benefit "has done a lot of good."

Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, said those who see hypocrisy "can legitimately raise that issue." But he defended his positions in 2003 and now, saying the economy is in worse shape and Americans are more anxious.

Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, said simply: "Dredging up history is not the way to move forward."


Seriously? Is that how we're going to play this game?

Snowe's quote is hard to take seriously -- as if her own record isn't relevant right now -- but it's Hatch's quote that's especially ridiculous. For Republicans, supporting huge new programs without figuring out how to pay for them "was standard practice." Six years later, this is justifiable, just so long as the huge new programs do "a lot of good."

Just so we're clear, according to the rules, Republicans don't have to pay for their programs, and Democrats do. Republicans can build up massive debts, and Democrats can't.


Let's cut the nonsense. Republicans supported Medicare Part D (Karl Rove saw it as a way of creating a "permanent" GOP majority). It was the biggest expansion of government into the health care industry since Medicare. By any reasonable measure, it was a huge giveaway to private industries, and came with a price tag of at least $1 trillion -- far more than this year's Democratic health care reform plan. It was "complicated as hell," and left a huge doughnut hole that screwed over millions of seniors. It included end-of-life counseling, which Republicans now consider "death panels." The Republican bill, which passed under almost comically corrupt circumstances, was financed entirely -- literally, 100% -- through deficit spending, leaving future generations to pick up the tab.

And what do these exact same Republican lawmakers say now? That the Democratic reform plan increases government's role in health care (check), costs too much (check), is too complicated (check), and passed under suspicious circumstances (check). Oh, and don't "dredge up history" that GOP finds embarrassing.

Republicans simply aren't serious about health care policy. Anyone who suggests the Democratic bill should have been "bipartisan" need only to be reminded of what transpired six short years ago.


—Steve Benen
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:43 PM
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1. Republicons just have to be hypocrites and
they don't have a monopoly on it. Not wanting Pres Obama to reach out to repukes but then Marching With Teabaggers.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:44 PM
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2. Tax-cut & Spend (deficit) Republicans
make it sing from the rooftops
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:50 PM
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3. They couldn't have done it without the help of Democrats-
That's the real legacy here.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:52 PM
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4. Get lost. Must you infect every thread here? nt
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:59 PM
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6. Unfortunately, he is correct.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:02 PM
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8. No, this thread is about ongoing rethug hypocrisy. I get tired of
certain people trying to hijack every thread here.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:24 PM
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9. My own Democratic Senator at the time voted for this abomination
And my own Democratic congressperson cast what was was the deciding vote- and lied to by face in person about that fact (they would have had to bribe and twist another Republican arm in the middle of the night- but for him) - and then he turned around and lied about specific aspects of the bankruptcy bill that HE and other Democrats voted for.

Looked me right in the eyes that POS did and all I could say was, Mike- you're lawyer and you know better than that- or maybe your staffers misinformed you.

So don't get on my case for noting that the Democratic party is also up to its eyeballs in dishonesty, hypocrisy and cynicism.

Not to mention corruption- which is why in all likelihood- they won't change their ways in the next rounds of reforms- and because of that they're going to get a well deserved thumping in 2010.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:02 PM
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7. Dinos.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 04:55 PM
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5. Let us never forget that a major component of the republican Medicare Bill...

...was to specifically FORBID the federal government from negotiating for lower drug prices for drugs paid for by Medicare. This provision alone guaranteed the increase of billions of dollars to Medicare costs, and constituted THE major giveaway to big pharma.

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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:03 PM
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10. I know they had the CBO then, did they just ignore it completely? NT
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levander Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:17 AM
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11. The rules are the deeper you're in debt, the more it matters...
Just so we're clear, according to the rules, Republicans don't have to pay for their programs, and Democrats do. Republicans can build up massive debts, and Democrats can't.


You can sit there and point a finger at Republicans all you want, but the thing is the deficit is getting to the point where we can begin to see that we're headed into danger levels.

So, like all times, these times are different, and we need more fiscal responsibility out of our government now.

And no, I'm definitely not saying Republicans weren't fiscally irresponsible. They were.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:21 AM
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12. But they enacted programs that continue to grow the deficit....
it ain't cause now that they are gone from office,
what they did while there were in office is now not an issue.
Medicare part D is probably the biggest deficit grower of all....
and it continues to balloon, and those numbers are reflected
in the projected deficit.

Far as I'm concerned, you fucking talk like a Republican...
offering them cover and shit.
How dare you!

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:11 AM
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13. Why are you making excuses for the rethugs?
Maybe reading will help you out...

http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/19/republican-budget-hypocrisy-health-care-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html
Republican Deficit Hypocrisy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donnie-fowler/deficit-debt-the-republic_b_370716.html
Deficit & Debt: The Republican Legacy

Bush Elected $850 billion SURPLUS
Bush Re-Elected $415 billion DEFICIT
Bush Finishes $1.2 trillion DEFICIT
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:53 AM
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14. And let's not forget how Cheney himself said that Reagan proved
that deficits don't matter. So suddenly, the Rethugs believe that deficits DO matter? Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:31 AM
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15. Some would prefer to ignore the fact ...
that Snowe's quote is completely compatible with Obama's philosophy.
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