I don't mind helping those that DESERVE help, but

[WingDinger]

The mantra spewed by those with jobs, and intact stuff, invariably refer to the updated welfare queen. Those that have a TV, or internet, are assumed to be living too high on the hog. They must be deprived until they are taught proper poverty. And those that want control over who is destitute enough, largely desire to determine that thru churchy submission. If you still insist on having your own conceptions of God, gays and guns, you must be carefully taught that you aren't allowed an opinion, unless you are the updated landowner.

There have been many calls from the right, that if you accept one stick of Government help, you should not get to vote, drink a beer, or God forbid, protest. The calvinist persecution is upon us. This defense mechanism, is the salve that makes those with their stuff intact feel safer, and provides the excuse to heap scorn on any that poverty affects.

According to believe and receive theology, if you were doing what God supports, God would support YOU. That misery has befallen you, is proof that you deserve to suffer. Those preaching this also think you should go to your premature deathbed without bitterness. Sure they think private charity should be available. But you havent drank the koolaid. And so, without the need or expense of a rack, or cat-o-nine tails, they envision an inquisition every bit as harsh as the last one. It seems to be loosely modeled on 1984, where in the end, you embrace the philosophy of your tormentor.

Should we fail to see the seriousness of their plans and schemes, I have no doubt that starvation and easily treatable suffering are to be institutionalized. Should the inquisitors find their way back into political power, I have no doubt that they will severely punish any that might speak out, up to the Pnac threat, to nuke anyone that doesn't go along with the program, or pogrom.

How do the church freaks justify personally sending many to supposed hell? Some are destined to be vessels of dishonor, like a piss pot. And who are we to complain, God created us to contain the excrement of the chosen. Think I'm joking? I have debated many of them. They think they are doing the work of the lord. Only one thing stands in their way. That damn hippy guy Jesus needs a long overdue makeover. And those historically upstart daggermen Jews must become silent sufferers too. Give me liberty or give me death, unless you are undeserving, in the eyes of the pharisee. Then, the only thing you are allowed to ask for is, thank you sir, may I have another. and not in a good way.

[Zoeisright]

1. Yeah, there's nothing worse than a smug asshole who enjoys judging.

I'd like to know, who the hell appointed them judge and jury?

Church freaks are almost always disgustingly selfish, stupid, mean, and greedy. In other words, the exact opposite of the deity they supposedly worship.

[Llewlladdwr]

2. The irony ...it is delicious..... n/t

[Still Blue in PDX]

4. Dare I say it . . . . mmmhmmm and amen! nt

[Still Blue in PDX]

3. Not only that, they give the church non-freaks a bad name.

I'm not even a Christian, and I'm embarrassed for the ones who actually live the way Jesus taught. There actually are quite a few of them, but they aren't the ones who make all the noise and get all the attention.

[L0oniX]

14. Indeed ...I won't use the "christian"label for the shame that comes with it.

[datasuspect]

5. like the threads where people try to (with a straight face) make the argument that food stamp

recipients shouldn't be allowed to buy soda water or chips or whatever food choice they (the authoritarian right winger troll) personally disagree with . . .

these are sorry times filled with tons of sorry ass people.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

6. I once saw John Stossel claim that the poor in America were really rich because

they got govt. surplus butter and cheese and owned VCRs. At the time, a VCR cost about $30 (not $400, like when Stossel probably first bought his), less if you bought one from Goodwill after the former owner had upgraded to DVD.

Another common right-wing remark is that our poor would be considered "rich" in the Third World. Well, yeah, they would be, if they could pay Third World consumer prices while receiving American minimum wage.

Another favorite is that the poor aren't really poor if you count the value of their food stamps and Medicaid. :wtf:

My response to such right-wingers is to tell them to quit their jobs and go on welfare (heh-heh, they wouldn't be eligible, because they have too many assets) if it's such a cushy life. That's when they start ranting incoherently.

[zbdent]

7. "if you accept one stick of Government help"

hmm ... could that apply also to those who get government contracts? They should have to face the same type of scrutiny that government employees have to face all the time. (I'm not talking politicians, I'm talking the working people of the government, those unfairly lumped in together with the Congressmen who start the work week on Wednesdays and end it on Thursdays ...)

[w8liftinglady]

8. I had a discussion about this the other day,at work

regarding an editorial I had written on homeless families.
"I don't mind helping those who deserve help...not the ones who waste my money"


"Their children suffer if they don't get help"..said me.


"Jesus will help them"-said they

"Jesus gave US the means to help everyone.Who are we to choose?"-said me.

"I want to help Veterans"-said they.
"What about the homeless guy under the bridge?Many of them are veterans,you know".

...."What did your kids get for Christmas?"-said they.

and so it goes on.

[WingDinger]

9. Yes, they make the destitute PLAy worse off, then call them frauds.

It is a catch 22 they have designed.

[Skittles]

10. make no mistake

many of those repuke bastards bitching about government help GET GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE OF SOME KIND THEMSELVES; the difference is, they don't equate themselves with the poor, mostly non-white folk who also might need government help

[MedicalAdmin]

11. Case in point.

My congress critter, Michelle Bachmann (pardon me while I throw up in my mouth a little - gag).

Her and her husband warehoused foster kids (23) for years for which the state paid them $1100 a month and covered all education and medical expenses. That works out to millions. They used the money from that to invest in a nice little place in the country which they immediately applied for a recieved payment for NOT planting crops.

I conservatively estimate that they have taken literally millions from the government all while trumpeting pulling up by your boot straps. Fucking crooks. It's the warehousing kid part that really turns my stomach.

[LeftishBrit]

12. Eugggggghhhhhh, yes!

This whole concept of the Deserving versus Undeserving Poor is also making a big comeback in England with the Tory-controlled government, and if possible even more RW media.

And it's bad enough when it's straightforward 'I'm all right Jack, there is no such thing as society, and the Devil take the hindmost!' - but even worse when it's dressed up as compassionate and It's Really for Poor People's Good to Cut their Benefits to Deter them from Being Poor (yes, Ian Duncan-Smith, I am thinking of YOU here!)

[L0oniX]

13. Calvinism is used to subdue the moral conscience of the rich ....if they have any to begin with.

[lafayettelonewolf]

15. I have a better term for what you have just described...

It's called "Dominionism".