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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:00 PM
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BREAKING: In a thoroughly UNEXPECTED move, Justice Scalia proves to be an insensitive sexist pig
Scalia: WOMEN? Fuggedaboudit!

:eyes:

Justice Scalia: Women Don't Have Constitutional Protection Against Discrimination



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/03/scalia-women-discrimination-constitution_n_803813.html

WASHINGTON -- The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does not protect against discrimination on the basis of gender or sexual orientation, according to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

In a newly published interview in the legal magazine California Lawyer, Scalia said that while the Constitution does not disallow the passage of legislation outlawing such discrimination, it doesn't itself outlaw that behavior:

In 1868, when the 39th Congress was debating and ultimately proposing the 14th Amendment, I don't think anybody would have thought that equal protection applied to sex discrimination, or certainly not to sexual orientation. So does that mean that we've gone off in error by applying the 14th Amendment to both?

Yes, yes. Sorry, to tell you that. ... But, you know, if indeed the current society has come to different views, that's fine. You do not need the Constitution to reflect the wishes of the current society. Certainly the Constitution does not require discrimination on the basis of sex. The only issue is whether it prohibits it. It doesn't. Nobody ever thought that that's what it meant. Nobody ever voted for that. If the current society wants to outlaw discrimination by sex, hey we have things called legislatures, and they enact things called laws. You don't need a constitution to keep things up-to-date. All you need is a legislature and a ballot box. You don't like the death penalty anymore, that's fine. You want a right to abortion? There's nothing in the Constitution about that. But that doesn't mean you cannot prohibit it. Persuade your fellow citizens it's a good idea and pass a law. That's what democracy is all about. It's not about nine superannuated judges who have been there too long, imposing these demands on society.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:04 PM
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1. AND Justice Thomas admits that he doesn't like his job !!!
Excerpt:

ORANGE - Clarence Thomas told an overflow crowd at Chapman University Monday evening that he never wanted to become a Supreme Court justice, or even a judge.

"There's not much that entices about the job," Thomas said, answering questions from the public that provided a rare glimpse of the man behind the office. "There's no money in it, no privacy, no big houses, and from an ego standpoint, it does nothing for me."

Thomas, 59, said the position is satisfying because he feels he's serving the public, and he's honored by it, "but I wouldn't say I like it."

"I like sports," Thomas said. "I like to drive a motor home."

SNIP

http://www.ocregister.com/news/thomas-190369-book-people.html


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:06 PM
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4. He likes Coke. And pubic hair.
Edited on Mon Jan-03-11 10:06 PM by proud2BlibKansan
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-11 07:26 AM
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21. Well yes, Uncle Clarence is a republicon
...so that kind of goes without saying....
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:08 PM
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5. Someone else might like it then ... He could resign and drive about in
a motor home - and sports, and get some fun into his life.
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NoGOPZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:14 PM
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7. Privacy? But there's no constitutional right to that, remember Clarence? nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:31 PM
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11. I wish I knew where both their mothers lived. I'd go punch them
in the face.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-11 07:47 AM
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22. Then he should resign. I'm sure that there is some highly paid lobbyist job
available even for an intellectual dim bulb such as Thomas.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:05 PM
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2. So now doing away with Stare Decisis?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-11 04:32 AM
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19. Doesn't apply to the Supremes
My training is in British law rather than American but IIRC, the SCOTUS can overrule anyone, even themselves (although they rarely do).
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:05 PM
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3. That fucker needs impeached NOW.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:18 PM
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8. We cant even get Democrats to oppose war in Iraq or the Patriot Act. Who is going to impeach him? nm
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:11 PM
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6. Oh Amerigo.
You kill me! :rofl: Great headline - because really, who would have ever believed this of that leftist commie Scalia? :rofl:
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:20 PM
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9. The guy is a pig. That's what he is in body and soul. A P-I-G.
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:22 PM
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10. Maybe he just likes to break balls...
...to see what the reaction will be. He might be lurking on DU right now.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-11 02:21 AM
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18. In that case,
fuck you, Justice Scalia, you nasty pig.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:52 PM
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13. Scalia is a disgusting, fat, sexist PIG.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:54 PM
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14. I wish this ratfucker would choke on a pretzel or something
Every second he is on earth is one second too many.
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:56 PM
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15. How is this guy in the supreme court?
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-03-11 10:57 PM
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16. Interesting that Fat Tony would use these words:
"It's not about nine superannuated judges who have been there too long, imposing these demands on society." Considering that he's the oldest serving member of the current Supreme Court. Maybe he has a point after all...

Anyone else up for a 20 year appointment limit for SCOTUS?
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-11 12:07 AM
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17. The author of the Huffington post piece must be referring to HILLIPS v. MARTIN MARIETTA CORP.,
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=400&invol=542

It is a simple case, important for in a page it ruled that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which included women among the list or protected groups) forbade a company from having two hiring policies for men and women with young children. It was NOT a 14th amendment case but a 1964 Civil Rights Act case.

I bring this up for Scalia, no matter how much I dislike his decisions on other issues, is correct on this point. Except for the Right to Vote (Covered by the 19th amendment) women's rights are STATUTORY not CONSTITUTIONAL protected. In many ways I can make the same statement, there is NOTHING in the Constitution that says we have to treat men and women equally. Such discrimination is forbade under the 1964 Civil Rights Act, but it has NEVER been ruled forbidden under the US Constitution.

Now, one of the reason for this is that the Courts will always look to legislature act before any constitutional attack i.e. if a decision can be made based on the actual law in question, a decision based on that issue will be issued. The Constitution will NOT be used to determine a point of law unless it is clear there is no way to make a decision without citing the US Constitution. In Hipps, all the court had to cite was the clear language of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Even Scalia, had he been on the Court at that time, would have signed off on that opinion. The Lower court took the position that Equal Rights for Women was unclear for Sex had been added to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 during the 90 day filibuster against it, thus you had no hearings on what that term meant unlike the terms "Race and National Origin" which had been throughly discussed in Congress while the 1964 Civil Rights Act was being written. The lower court took this to mean that sexual discrimination was less of a concern of Congress then Racial Discrimination and thus could be held to a lower standard of review (The US Supreme Court would embrace this view in later rulings, but not to the extent the lower courts had held in Hipps).

Just a comment that Scalia makes stupid statements, but sometime those stupid statements have some basis in the law and in this case he is right. The US Constitution does NOT protect women from discrimination, that is the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Scalia is also correct that if the Majority of the House and Senate pass a bill and the President signs the bill, Congress can order such discrimination. The 14th amendment permits Congress to pass Civil Rights Laws, but it does NOT require Congress to do so.

Now in California you have the situation where a Federal Judge ruled as a matter of FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONAL Law that California law forbidding homosexual marriages was violated the US Constitution. I question that to be the case and so do a lot of other lawyers and thus why the issue of Standing to file the appeal is so important. If no one has standing to appeal, no appellant court can over rule the Judge. If on the other hand the Court of Appeals or the US Supreme Court rules the people who want to file an appeal has standing to file the appeal then you have a very good chance of the Judge's decision being reversed on the simple grounds that the Court of Appeals or the US Supreme Court would rule that such a law does NOT violate the right to equal protection of the laws as set forth in the 14th amendment. It is clear the 14th was intended to make it clear that the 1866 Civil Rights Act was Constitutional and by the end of the 1800s been expanded to include corporations, but those laws all reflected efforts to regulate Corporations in how their operated AND where they could operate (The first case involved the need for Railroads to have fencing while local farmers were NOT required, the Court ruled such a law violated the 14th amendment, both the railroad and the local farmers had to be subject to the same rules and in that case were NOT). When it comes to marriage the argument will be there is no violation of the 14th amendment for the law applies to everyone equally, you just can NOT marry a person of the same sex. Everyone is being treated equally and thus no violation of the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.

Scalia actually makes a point without citing that case by saying the US Constitution does NOT forbid discrimination or forbid laws banning discrimination. Congress and the States can do both through the simple means of changing the law and the US Supreme Court will uphold whatever Congress or the States do in those cases. Scalia is mealy saying that it is NOT up to the US Supreme Court to make the law but Congress and the States UNLESS either clearly violates a provision of the US Constitution. When it comes to discrimination based on sex or sexual orientation Congress and the States can do as either sees fit to do. It is NOT up to the Court to "reform" the laws of the United States, but Congress and the States and for this reason the US Constitution has never forbade Sexual discrimination except for the right to Vote.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-11 04:39 AM
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20. The only unexpected part was his honesty
If anyone ever needed an illustration of why lifetime terms were a bad idea, Scalia is Exhibit A. Neither he nor Thomas give a shit about the law, they just pick the most right-wing option available and then construct a legal figleaf to try and justify it. Scalia's dissent in Hamdan vs. Rumsfeld boiled down to "the law clearly doesn't allow Rumsfeld to do this so I refuse to do my job".

What's (almost) worse is his hypocracy. Scalia has always presented himself as a "strict constructionist" but he's perfectly happy to go beyond the actual words of the amendment here. He's outright saying "I'm a constructionist when it says what I want to hear; when it doesn't, I'll sustitute what I think the authors meant". I'd suggest impeachment if it wasn't virtually impossible. I'd suggest other measures if they wouldn't get (rightly) pulled but as it is, I'll just pray for his swift death.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-11 10:41 AM
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23. Scalia has dug himself a hole


his Doctrine of "originalism" is repulsive and abolutely reeking of idiocy, making Anton seem repulsive and...well....idiotic.

So now he has to scramble to uphold the Constitution as it was originally written and interpreted.

This is the sign of a very defensive, rigid, irrational mind. Like that of a cold-blooded murderer who will do anything to justify the blood on his hands.

It's truly pathetic to witness this display of judicial wingnuttery in a Supreme Court Justice.








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