Casey Anthony's Scorched Earth Defense.

[Mike 03]

Any legal eagles here? I am both perplexed and fascinated by Jose Baez's apparent slash and burn defense where he is going to throw Casey Anthony's entire family and this public service worker who discovered the remains all under the bus. This is a Twin Peaks defense, where the entire town is insane but "Laura Palmer" is in her right mind.

Even if this works, and he is able to get a hung jury, what will this do to the Anthony family?

Or, given George Anthony's complacency when being accused of raping his daughter, could this ploy be with the cooperation of the Anthony family? Are they falling on their swords for her to get her off, or do they just want to spare her life.

Just curious what others are thinking here. I can't help myself; I am quite interested in this case, even though I am very much against the death penalty and curious what this jury will do.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

1. I think they're grasping at any straws they can...

She's going to get found guilty, no matter how much she cries and bawls for the judge and jury.
Duckie

[DrDan]

3. there is one juror they are going to play to - one who said she

had a hard time judging people. The judge would not let the prosecution remove her.

[H2O Man]

9. Yep.

I agree 100%.

[blondeatlast]

18. Yup; and that's all they need to do. nt

[TBA]

2. My opinion (for what it is worth)

I think George and Cindy are just numb and exhausted. After such a shock and having to relive it over and over and having to retell it over and over one's affect becomes less and less emotional.

I have experienced this. Observers may see complacency but in reality, George may just be very tired.

[DrDan]

4. the interesting thing to me is that he was talking to an attorney within

24 hours of her disappearance

[AC_Mem]

14. Are you sure about that?

Or was it within 24 hours of Casey finally admitting, after 31 days, that Caylee was missing? After Cindy finally tracked Casey down and had a her friend drive her over to the apartment and just about physically drag her outside to confront her about Caylee's whereabouts and then bring her home and call 911, which was their testimony of what transpired.

George Anthony was an ex-officer (sheriff's deputy). I'm not surprised at all that he suspected foul play (after all, he knew his daughter was a liar) and thought he better get some counsel.

Also, on the stand yesterday he said he did not go and get legal representation - rather, he had a discussion with a friend that was in the legal field.

It sounded to me as if he suspected something terrible had happened and reached out to get some advice.

Annette

[DrDan]

15. yes - he said he did not retain an attorney - but had a conversation with one

In my mind, searching for the child would take 100% of my energy during those first few days. I cannot imagine what advice he would be seeking during those first hours.

[AC_Mem]

20. Since he worked in homicide

And I think (I'm not sure here, would have to check back on the facts) they had already picked up the car and he had smelled the unmistakable smell of a decomposing body, I'm still not surprised that after calling 911 he reached out to a friend with a legal background. He could have been checking to see what kind of trouble Casey was facing - who knows.

I just have a hard time thinking that he got a lawyer because he did something...now having said that, do I think that this whole family acted inappropriately since day one? OMG yes.

I'm a grandmother and my grandchildren live with me with my daughter. If they were out of my house for 2 nights without me knowing where they were I would be calling the police. The parents (particularly Cindy) obstructed the police over and over and I have to think that they knew that their daughter probably murdered their granddaughter and were covering up for her.

Extremely dysfunctional and the brother - creepy. That testimony ought to be interesting.

Annette

[Little Star]

35. yes, but he didn't have that conversation with an attorney when...

Caylee went missing, right? It took place a month or more later when George and Cindy found out that Caylee was missing, right? Or am I under the wrong assumption (which I very well could be)?

[NotThisTime]

36. He had a conversation with a friend who they'd had to dinner, been to dinner at their home

and was a lawyer for a previous worker's comp case in which George had his knee torn up pretty bad (don't know the specifics of the injury other than he did receive money from the case), but the guy was a lawyer none the less...

[Little Star]

37. I am questioning the time line for this conversation. I know a conversation..

took place but when did it take place?

Caylee had been missing for a very long time before Cindy and George found out that she was missing. I think the conversation took place soon after Cindy and George found out that she was missing not when Caylee actually went missing. Am I wrong?

Sorry if I was not clear with my question before.

[NotThisTime]

38. The conversation took place either the night they found out or the next day if memory serves me

[rocktivity]

7. Look up "between a rock and hard place" and you'll find a picture of them.

Trying to look like socially/legally responsible grandparents without looking looking like socially/legally responsible parents.

:crazy:
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[rocktivity]

5. It's the OJ evasion: put everyone and everything on trial

EXCEPT the defendant.

I would have gone for either incompetency or manslaughter.

:headbang:
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[malaise]

6. DId you miss the part about the baby drowning in the family

pool and the father covering it up by blaming his daughter.

That family appears dysfunctional to the max so anything is possible.

[bettyellen]

8. are you serious? WHOA, those grandparents were obviously afraid for that kid

and concerned their daughter was covering up something horrible.

[rocktivity]

12. Why cover up an accident?

and if it WAS a coverup, why wouldn't she be in on it?

:headbang:
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[csziggy]

42. That defense does not hold up given Casey's lies

With the specific opportunity the police gave her to come clean, talking about cases where children had drowned. Casey had just been caught in her lie about working at Universal, but she did not grasp at that straw. If there HAD been an accident in which Caylee drowned, I would think she would have grabbed at that chance to throw the blame on her father - IF it had happened the way the defense is now claiming.

If the child drowned, why cover her face with duct tape, wrap her body in a garbage bag and dump it in the woods? That makes no sense.

Casey just kept spinning her web of lies. Maybe her family was dysfunctional, but I don't see where this predilection for constant lying comes from. If as the defense claims and Casey was abused by her father and brother, WHY would she allow her daughter to stay in that household? WHY would she drag her daughter from one boyfriend to another's homes? Why would she allow her daughter to sleep in the bed with at least one of her boyfriends as the boyfriend testified?

At this point I don't believe one word that comes out of Casey's mouth. As for the defense attorney, one of the other attorneys on TruTV was asked about him and said to the effect that the Florida Bar has strict rules about disparaging other attorneys so he would say nothing as long as Baez is an attorney.

One theory I have heard floated was that Casey was doping the child so she could go out and party, "Zaney the Nanny" being her joking name for using Zanax to keep the child quiet. Florida in June is not a good place to leave a child in a car - this week we've already had temperatures in the upper 90s. If the child died from heat or an overdose, I could see Casey panicking, dumping the body, and continuing to elaborate on the lies she was already used to spinning.

[nashville_brook]

10. If I were on trial, I'd want Baez on my team. He's surprised the hell out me.

find the whole trial archive on youtbue at #caseyanthoneycase

people should watch the proceedings and come to your own conclusions instead of getting the story filtered thru the media. it's riveting courtroom drama.

[csziggy]

43. Baez blew it when he did not object to the tapes before today

He had access to them for a very long time and waited far too long to bring up an objection. Those tapes show a side of his client that no competent defense attorney wants shown to a jury. The deadline for objections is clear in every trial - to miss that for something as important as these tapes is absurd.

The tapes also show how desperate the rest of the Anthony family was to find Caylee and how Casey obstructed not only the police but her own family and continued lying. They also show how quick Casey is at backpedaling when she is caught in her lies - "Zanaida has curly hair", "no straight hair", "Oh, she got the hair straightener from me", etc.

And then there is the old friend who "referred" Casey to Zanaida - the man who worked at Universal with Casey with the son who Zanaida also watched. Well, he hasn't worked at Universal since 2002, NEVER at the same time that Casey did. He never had a son. He never knew a Zanaida. WTH? That man was on the witness list - why the hell did Baez never interview him? Baez was completely taken by surprised by him and that his facts did not mesh at all with Casey's lies.

Baez also blew it on the blog business with the detective. His smart ass "Dick Tracy of Orange County" crack really irked me even before I knew what that was about. And if he was trying to use that blog to impeach the detective, why the hell didn't he have specific posts from the blog ready? The judge was pulling out specific entries, NOT Baez. Baez should have had at least three entries that supported his attempt to impeach the witness. He apparently had none.

To me, Baez looks amateurish and under-prepared. He's tried some spectacular moves but he doesn't seem to have the evidence to back up anything so far.

As you can tell, I am watching a lot of this trial. I don't catch every minute, but I have it on most of the time during the day. Maybe he's setting up for Casey to appeal because of incompetent counsel?

[Old and In the Way]

48. "Maybe he's setting up for Casey to appeal because of incompetent counsel?"

I said the same thing to my SO today. Maybe his request to make the tapes would have been over-ruled...but not asking for that request would seem to be a pretty good ground for Casey to make an appeal for a mistrial or retrial.

This trial has also drawn me in as well. There's no doubt in my mind that this will be a huge Hollywood production, it's a storyline that few could have ever dreamt up.

[revolution breeze]

11. They already lost their granddaughter

They are going to do everything in their power to keep from losing their daughter, even if they know she did it. Sad, sad case.

[AC_Mem]

13. I've watched this from the beginning

and was actually in Orlando when the story broke. I've been fascinated and appalled by the sheer arrogance of CA; the lies that fall so easily from her mouth, and how much money she has cost the State of Florida as they built and now prosecute this case.

I can't imagine that there will be a hung jury in this - there is too much evidence (even when there is "not" allot of evidence). The lies and the behavior will be very difficult for the defense to overcome and what will be IMHO the key is the 31 DAYS that went by while that child was missing and the mother partied it up and got a tattoo, spending money from a checkbook stolen from a friend and drove around in a car that quite probably carried the decomposing body of her young daughter.

Another thing that will be hard to overcome -the duct tape. 3 strips, stuck to the face of this child so firmly that it was still attached to her hair when they found the skeleton. And there was a heart sticker. It fell off the duct tape but the outline of it stayed. And it matches a page of heart stickers in the Anthony house - where the duct tape was also located. And the two laundry bags that she was inside of, another of those bags was also found in the house. The internet searches will also be telling.

It will be interesting to see how the defense (if you can call it that) will counter this evidence. George Anthony already got on the stand and did not take the fall for her, I think he was truly stunned when the opening statement was made and the accusations against him came out. Casey Anthony does not care about anyone but herself and would let her own parents rot in jail so she can get out and live her tattoo (the good life) that she got after she most probably killed her little girl.

Everything I have seen and read tells me she is guilty as hell and I'm amazed that she has not just taken a deal of life. Her continued lies may very well get her the death penalty.

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[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. Some parents will do anything to save their children and if this can give

the jury reasonable doubt, they would have succeeded in doing just that.

[oldlib]

17. The trial has just started.

Let the jury decide the case and not pre-trial judgment. Personally I don't believe that any mother could knowingly murder their child.

[rocktivity]

21. You DON'T believe that -- or don't WANT to?

Casey's track record of lies and excuses go all the way back to her deceiving someone about being Caylee's father -- she was two months pregnant before she even met him.

Casey pretended she had a job, supplemented her income by stealing from her friends, and implicated and defamed an innocent bystander as her kidnapping nanny. A witness has said that Cindy stopped Casey from putting Caylee up for adoption, another says she told him that she sometimes used chloroform to get Caylee to sleep. With standards like that, Casey most certainly IS capable of knowingly murdering her own child -- especially if she felt that Caylee was interfering with her love life, and/or that it would a be great way of "punishing" Cindy for loving Caylee more.

And here's why I don't think Caylee's death was an accident: the forensics say the duct tape with the heart-shaped sticker found around her skull had to have been applied when she was alive (so much for Baez's drowning theory). In view of everything else Casey's showed she's capable of, she most certainly could have decided to chloroform Caylee to sleep. Then by performing the "ritual" of putting tape over Caylee's mouth and nose and placing the sticker on top, she symbolically absolves herself of murder. After all, it isn't as though Casey had fatally choked or beaten her!

I recommend looking over the case's court documents if you have time, especially the initial arrest affidavit (PDF).

:(
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[NotThisTime]

26. Are you kidding, there's a long list of loving mothers who have killed their kids, they're just not

all so good looking as to make the news.

[alphafemale]

29. Yeah. They'd never do anything like drive they're car into a lake and then blame it on a black man.

No mother would ever do anything like that.

[Politicalboi]

19. I thought about that today

Perhaps George is hoping the jury has doubt and will free his daughter, and is willing to get accused of molesting Casey. I think Casey deserves the death penalty. But I do feel real bad for George. He had 2 crazy women and a loving grand child, and now he has nothing. I believe George and Caylee were the innocent ones. Cindy and Casey are both pathological liars IMO. Also I don't care much for Nancy Grace, but she does a good job with this case, and the OJ case when she was on Geraldo in the 90's. I hope she is found guilty, and only for the sake of George I hope she gets life. He's already lost his grand daughter, and losing his daughter even though she is a killer would hurt him even more.

[Are_grits_groceries]

22. Baez better hope he finds that one juror.

Casey has an unlikeable persona, and Baez is grating. The jury should put that aside, but they are human. I'm not sure they will be willing to connect alleged child molestation to partying, lying, and whatever. In addition, all those computer searches for chloroform and such really look bad.

Her mother threw her under the bus when she firmly said that the pool ladder was put away. How did the kid get in the pool? Some elaborate defense is coming.

I would have flat out said that you may not like Casey, and you may find her actions to be strange. Caylee is definitely a beautiful child that died because of an accident. The prosecution will not be able to PROVE how she died. There is no evidence that she was murdered. There is a lot of evidence that may point to a death, but not to the cause of that death. That is reasonable doubt. When it is all boiled down, the cause of Caylee's death cannot be proven.

It comes down to Occam's Razor. Is there some elaborate scheme by all the members of Casey's family to either cover up or cause Caylee's death or both? OR is it the panicked reactions and then irresponsible actions of one person after her child accidentally died? Baez wants to confuse the jurors with herds of zebras. The prosecution is pointing to one horse. Baez would have been better off pointing to one horse too, and one that is named 'reasonable doubt.'

As an aside, I wish the jury would find Nancy Grace guilty of something and give her life. This trial was going to be bad enough, but she turned it into a 3 ring circus for the nation and her ratings. She needs to go away and work on the issues she still has about her fiance's murder. She doesn't want justice. She wants vengeance, and it doesn't matter who has to be crushed.

[rocktivity]

23. DING DING DING! Grits, you're our grand prize winner!

The prosecution is pointing to one horse. Baez would have been better off pointing to one horse, too...reasonable doubt.

Absolutely right! By throwing a buffet of defenses against the wall (Casey's father is the real defendant, Casey's parents don't deserve justice; it's a badly-covered up accident; law enforcement screwed up the investigation) and hoping one will stick (or at least confuse the jurors into a mistrial), he can declare victory. Johnnie Cocharan rode to victory in the first OJ trial on "one horse" -- an incompetent, racially-motivated police investigation. In order to prove all of his theories, however, Baez will have to put Casey on the stand, which could get him soaked in a credibility "pissing contest" against the other witnesses.

As for reasonable doubt, it's called REASONABLE doubt for a reason. There's not a lot of DIRECT evidence, true. But there's more than enough CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence, and all the prosecution has to do is a good enough job of explaining to the jury that they're required to give them equal weight. You CAN convict someone on an autopsy determination of undetermined homicide if the evidence merits it.

Baez is in VERY grave danger of outsmarting himself: the jury could definitely decide that it just isn't reasonable that anyone other than Casey killed Caylee -- and on purpose.

:headbang:
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[axollot]

24. The time-lines on this girl, especially for the 1st 9 days is pure insanity -

she doesnt have more than 2hrs down time! Always texting, always talking. Crazy insane. She was on a binger from hell (psychosis? seemed less about drugs with her) leading up to the 16th and after that she free fell for 9 days. She really loses her mind *after* Tony goes to NYC day 10+ From phone records and all the people she talked to nearly every min she was locatable!

Check out this: http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days.htm

Cheers
Sandy

[AC_Mem]

31. first 9 hours and an interesting observation

Yup - very telling. Her mind was probably in overdrive trying to sort through the lies, set up her cover-ups, decide what to do with her child's body, figure out what will happen when she has to produce "Zanny the Nanny" and above all and most importantly - hang on to her boyfriend.

Over at one of the forums where people have been discussing this case since 2008 I heard a VERY interesting theory. They wondered if Casey put Caylee in the freezer in the garage after she killed her. It is going to be interesting to see if forensics shows that there was dirt from the Anthony backyard or not on that shovel. The theory that was discussed at the website was that perhaps she borrowed the shovel to (and this is so awful to think of) chip away the ice from the baby's body so she could remove it and put it in her trunk. It would explain why she only used the shovel for an hour, why the car was backed into the garage and the door closed, and most importantly - why she showed up at her boyfriends the night that Caylee was probably killed with two bags FULL of frozen food that she stole from her parents house (making room for the baby?).

I hope they took a really good look inside that freezer.

Justice for Caylee is coming.

Annette

[tnlefty]

44. Hey Grits!! I'm not trying to be an ass, but I don't understand

that the pool ladder was put away. Help! I have one in the deep end of my pool and it is taken out when the pool cover goes on for the winter. Is that what she meant, that the pool was covered? I ask because our kids were older and could swim when our pool went in, we went to great pains to build a fence around it, and block two ways that anyone could get in, in addition to the fence. We didn't install an alarm, possibly should've, but I'm stuck on the ladder as I know that mine comes out when the cover goes on and the ladder goes in when the cover is removed. I need a confused, hoping you'll clear it up emoticon.

And the flaming nostrils of justice aka known as Nancy Grace is a disgrace and she need to work on her issues.

[Are_grits_groceries]

53. The pool is one of those above ground types

from what I understand. There is a ladder to help people get in. If the ladder was put away, how did Caylee accidentally get into the pool and drown? The defense will probably claim some other object was used instead. Maybe Baez will tell the jury she was really from the planet Krypton.

I really don't understand why Baez has taken the lead on this case. He is so inexperienced that he has to have a 'death qualified' lawyer sit as second chair. I believe Casey found him by chance, and she may have gotten so close to him that she wants him to be the in charge. I think that is a grave mistake. I'm not sure if he is listening to anybody else because he is such a shmuck. His personality isn't a plus, and I believe he is in way over his head.

Once it became a death penalty case, Judy Clark or someone like her may have been willing to help. She is the lawyer who worked on the Susan Smith case. She works on these cases because she is so opposed to the death penalty. I would have been trying to get the best I could find to LEAD the whole defense, and I would have made Baez put a bag over his head if he was at the defense table.

[juajen]

25. I have not heard anywhere an explanation for how this girl lived.

She told her parents she was employed, she had a car that had to have repairs and gasoline, she partied a lot and supposedly had a nanny. Where was this baby all this time when she was supposed to be with her nanny. Where did the money come from to support her lifestyle. Did her parents give her that much money, when she was supposed to be working, or, was she a real party girl? I can't figure the money out and, so far, I have not heard it questioned. Did I miss something? Also, why is it not important to know who the father is. Maybe he could be a suspect, you know not wanting to pay child support all his life? Any info anywhere about him?

[NotThisTime]

27. I do know she stole money from friends and family, as for the father several have been tested

none turned out to be the father, 3 of the men she named are dead (no idea how they died).... I think she just has no idea and if she does she kept that well hidden as well. The parents did donate to her finances, how much I don't think has been stated...

[csziggy]

45. She "worked" at the bar as a shot girl and supervising shot girls

I'd never heard that phrase before, but at least two of the women who were on the stand the first couple of days were "shot girls" at Fusion, the bar where Casey spent a lot of time. They basically buy a bottle of booze, then go around, trying to sell shots out of the bottle for enough per shot to make money off the deal, according to the testimony. Casey according to one of the women supervised the shot girls during the time that woman worked there.

Casey also stole from her friends, stole from her grandparents' checking account (mentioned in one person's testimony as one of the thing Casey and Cindy fought about), and lived off her boyfriends.

The car belonged to her parents, it was not legally hers. That is why they got the notice when it was towed and impounded after Casey abandoned it in a parking lot. George apparently paid the insurance, gas, too if the stealing of the gas cans out of the shed at the Anthony home is any indication, and George did the maintenance according to his testimony.

[alphafemale]

30. This line of defense and the endless tears...when there were none when the child was "missing"

While "mommy" played...is repulsive beyond words.

[AC_Mem]

33. Notice WHEN she cries

It is usually when she is feeling sorry for herself. She dabs at her eyes a lot but I haven't seen her cry many tears for her daughter. The most upset we have seen her so far was Saturday when her mother walked by and wouldn't look at her. People were "lip reading" and when she broke down they said it appeared that she was saying "she wouldn't even look at ME" and "she cares more about him than she does about me"(speaking about her father?).

This is not going to end well for Casey Anthony. I think the brother's testimony will also be pretty interesting, since she also accused him of molesting her. Oh, and I also heard that Cindy and George's attorney wants time with the judge first thing tomorrow morning (Tuesday) - there is talk that they are saying that Jose better bring hard evidence that supports their accusation of molestation or face a lawsuit.

She should have just taken a deal. I think when it is all said and done she will be found guilty and will then turn around and throw her attorneys under the bus for not giving her adequate representation. This jury is very interested in WORKING and getting through this case; they even asked Judge Perry if they could work today rather than take the day off.

Justice for Caylee,
Annette

[Union Scribe]

34. Great post.

And I feel for the jury wanting to get through it. Everyone gets to spend the holiday with their friends and families except them. (edit: And Caylee, she doesn't get to, either :( )

[spanone]

32. the anthony family is beyond repair

[Little Star]

39. When George Anthony took the witness stand he testified that....

he did not sexually abuse Casey. He also had nothing to do with the disposal of Caylee's body.

Personally, I am having a hard time buying anything the defense team is spinning. Baez had nothing to work with so he is just throwing shit out and hoping something sticks, imho.

The whole family is dysfunctional but Casey is rotten to the core, again imho.

[Old and In the Way]

41. Casey is so discredited as a pathological liar, I don't know how the defense

will be able to spin another option that the kid drowned and the father was in on it. Who you gonna believe? Her? The pool accident doesn't comport with the ducktape found on the body. If Caylee drowned, no need for ducktape. Sorry for Casey, but she's betting with her life that she can find 1 juror who will have reasonable doubt and vote to acquit. I really don't see it...the evidence is way too damning.

I'll never understand why she didn't report the accident/murder right after it happened. She could have skated as the poor grieving mom who took her eyes off her child for just a minute and this tragedy occurred. I doubt she'd have spent a day behind bars had she played it this way.

[rocktivity]

47. Well, that's where the sexual molestation angle comes in

Just as Johnnie Cocharan successfully turned Mark Furman a bigger villain than OJ Simpson by accusing him of racism and evidence contaminating, Baez means to make George Anthony a bigger villain than Casey. No one's going to blame an ex-cop for helping his daughter cover up the accidental drowning of his grandchild. But who's going to feel sorry for a womanizer whose molestation of his daughter daughter turned her into a pathological liar?

:eyes:
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[Sienna86]

40. My theory

I can't shake the idea that Casey placed Caylee in the trunk of the car when she would need to spend time with friends.

[csziggy]

46. And maybe used drugs to keep her quiet

See my post above: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1166753&mesg_id=1219895 - and the theory I have heard floated with the "Zany the Nanny" idea.

If she doped that child and left her in the car, the child probably died of heat exhaustion. Caylee disappeared in mid-June. This June we are already having temperatures in the mid 90s - more than enough to kill a child locked in a car.

Parents have been convicted of manslaughter for allowing that to happen with no drugs involved.

[Old and In the Way]

49. First I heard of it was on a phone-in on the Nancy Grace show tonight.

I have to say, I've never thought of that angle, but it is a fascinating context to explore. The idea of doping up the child and locking her in the car so she could go party into the early morning hours, sadly makes sense when you consider this 'mother''s past history. Unfortunately, the answer may never be known because the skeletal remains couldn't be tested for drugs. I wonder if Casey had a prescription for Xanax though?

Makes you wonder if this was a Kyser Soze type response when she was first confronted with the question of "who was the last person who had your daughter." Once Zany became the suspect, I suppose she could research a phone book and pick a real name that fit "Zany the Nanny".

[TorchTheWitch]

50. she wouldn't have needed a prescription

Xanex is easy to buy on the street and right up there with Oxy's as most popular prescription drug concerning street purchase. A couple of my neighbors have been floating on Zannies since I moved in here over six years ago and they buy them all on the street. Frankly, I'm surprised they're still alive (or that they notice that they are).

First time I heard of the nanny being called "Zany" Xanex being given to the child as a "nanny" was the first thing I thought of. Doping your kids so you don't have to get a babysitter you can't afford in order to go to work is unfortunately all too popular. I know of two people that claimed to have done this at least on occasion. I don't think it's a stretch to imagine a young mother more interested in partying and not wanting to take on the responsibility of being a single mother would do this... especially one into drugs and would know how and where to get them. "Zany Nanny" is an expression I first heard in the late '90's or so.

For the record, I don't approve of doping your kids even if it's because you have to go to work, have no money for a babysitter and are afraid of being fired. No excuse is good enough for self-doping your kids as far as I'm concerned.

[csziggy]

51. Actually there is a real Zenaida Gonzalez

She once visited the apartment complex where Casey claimed the nanny lived and signed into the registration book there. Since one of Casey's boyfriends lived there, Casey may have seen the name in the book and when she had to come up with a name for the fictional nanny, that one came to mind.

The real Zenaida Gonzalez is suing Casey Anthony for defamation of character, though that case has to wait until the criminal case is over. The poor woman has had her life totally disrupted by the careless claims of Casey Anthony - she has been threatened with death, her young daughter has been threatened, and she has gone through hell.

[Old and In the Way]

52. The trail of victims that Casey is leaving behind in her wake is incredible.

Parents, brother, Gonzalez, her friends, and, most grievously, that poor child who had the unfortunate fate of being born to this psychopath. Before this is over, Casey Anthony will earn in place in American history an this generation's Lizzie Borden.

I really think she has a death wish because she seems determined to get herself convicted with a death sentence. I don;t know how her parents are keeping their sanity...