When Obama Warns the America People About THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

[Ichingcarpenter]

Like a Republican President did then ........ I will feel better about him.

[Wilms]

1. Please.

That quaint notion is soooo pre-11/22/63.

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. Back and to the left

and that's not just political.

[Wilms]

3. Agreed.

That was an extremely personal attack.

[Selatius]

6. If JFK had lived, I firmly believe the Viet Nam War would have been avoided for the most part.

But, with the war, billions in war contracts were doled out over the course of a decade. That's quite a lot of money. In the end, how many among us would put a bullet in someone's head for a billion dollars? He, and several others, were in the way of profits. They, too, were gunned down as well. Had they all lived, the America we know of today--its decaying status in the world, its grotesque inequality of wealth, its failing infrastructure from lack of funding, its hideously oversized military complex--would not exist.

A better America would have existed instead. I like to dream of that better America, the dream of FDR and Martin Luther King, but I will be long dead before that America ever comes back. We look at what we've lost and wondered what could have been.

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. I'm not so sure about that.

JFK signed the papers that got us into it. From what I understand of it, Eisenhower got the wheels rolling and JFK was forced into it. I had a debate about this with my Repub relative. He said that only Democratic presidents took us to war. And then came Bush.

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. No.... I documented the history numerous times on DU

that he was getting out supported by those that knew him
and worked with him in office.

I'm not gonna bother doing it again.

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. I guess those Wars Obama plays with now

Are not an issue?

[The Backlash Cometh]

25. The only good thing about the Bush wars,

is that it proved my relative had made wrong assumptions about the Republican party.

Now that I think about it, he might have conceded the point when I said it was Eisenhower who got us into war. He response was, "But that wasn't a declared war!"

To which I answered, "I don't think the 50,000 plus soldiers who died would bicker about the difference.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. I'm not talking about getting out of the war. We all know that he was stopped from doing many great

things. I'm referring to getting into it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. Eisenhower brought that Burden to him .. thanks to John Foster Dulles

As did the bay of Pigs.

I'm not willing to give you a 'REAL HISTORY LESSON' to you.

[The Backlash Cometh]

27. No need.

This is my understanding of it as well. That's the point I made to my in-law. Our conversation was probably sometime in the 1980s. He said that only Democratic presidents started wars. He may have even mentioned Vietnam. That's when I told him Eisenhower committed Kennedy. I think he was surprised that I knew that.

[WinkyDink]

10. The Day America Died.

[Smarmie Doofus]

4. Ouch. And huge REC. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

5. Are you kidding me?

Any politician with any power--is SERVING the military-industrial complex--which owns this
country and our political system.

It's clear who the outsiders are. They are very outspoken, but they have absolutely no power. It's nice
to hear Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders give a firey speech--and I greatly respect those people--but
they have no power to affect change.

Our government has been engulfed. It's over. Anyone who is in a power position inside of
it--is a part of it. I suppose there are leaders and politicians who are unhappy with what
has happened. Bottom line--what are there actions? What are they doing about it? Do they
speak out and try to change things? Or not?

We've got to stop deluding ourselves. There is no one, on the inside, who is on our side.
The corruptors won.

At this point, we've got two glimmers of hope: Julian Assange and "We The People". WTP
seem to be in a "Dancing With the Stars" coma. Assange is our best best, but his success
relies on the media to report the truth and a semi-conscious global population that will
actually do something about the information that is leaked.

We shall see.

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. That's partly why I LEFT this nation

Foreclosure, Family in another country,health..

My family fought at Bunker Hill....and went out with Boone before the
nation was formed.

Yes ..... wake up and smell the Doritos, Coca-Cola, McDonalds
and your life.

I was just making a point.

I think Eisenhower, who I saw as youth in France at NATO headquarters
would be considered someone that would need a birth certificate
these days.


BTW.... my mom voted for Adanli Stevenson.


A hypocrite is the kind of politician who would cut down a redwood tree, then mount the stump and make a speech for conservation.



All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions.
Adlai E. Stevenson

[Octafish]

7. Us hate beauty. Us love ugliness.

General Dynamics, Crown Dynasty & Obama

[Laelth]

8. Don't hold your breath. n/t

-Laelth

[Frustratedlady]

11. Being stupid here, but who is the guy above the door?

I know a little about this subject, but just enough to be dangerous.

[Octafish]

12. Looks like Tricky Dick

A made man of the War Party

[Frustratedlady]

19. Thanks. That's who I thought it was, but not sure. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. That's a WikiLeaks Picture produced by supporters

Sorry..... it needs to be blown up to really see it
but I'm on my iTouch.

[SOS]

14. Give him some time

Eisenhower was in office for eight years.
He gave the military-industrial complex speech in January 1961.
The boldness of that speech is tempered by the fact that he waited eight years
to say it, right before walking out the door.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. Time is something that Obama knows about

And information he has more of..... HELL... even us peons know
what is what.

Unfair comparison.... in a New York Minute.

The time is now... not later... Eisenhower saw the growth during his term.


OBAMA HAD YEARS TO REALIZE IT.

[SOS]

24. Comment was more about Ike than Obama

Eisenhower spent over 10% of GDP on military during every year of his presidency.
He flooded the Pentagon with money for eight years.

Then, in January 1961, he warns of the MIC.

If Ike was so concerned, why did he say nothing for eight years while spending 10-14% of GDP on military?
(for comparison, Carter spent 5%)

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. John Foster Dulles.

At the end ... he knew what was what
He was Naive.

[SOS]

29. Ike spent 1,000 days of his presidency playing golf

so it probably took him a while to realize what was going on!

[notesdev]

17. As if

Obama is the product of the establishment, not a historic general hardened from the greatest conflict in human history.

He doesn't have the guts to take on his own staff, forget about the MIC.

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. See Post Number 1

He is no Profile in Courage

As I thought he was..... he knows who controls what and who.

[adnelson60087]

23. LOOOONG wait....

[Motown_Johnny]

30. Come On, That is "end of your second term" stuff and you know it

You don't commit political suicide half way through your first term

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. Exactly

Who is following ,,,,,, are we human or dancers?