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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:21 PM
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Bernie Sanders May Be An Independent, But He Is More In The Model Of An FDR Than...
Edited on Tue Jun-28-11 02:27 PM by WillyT
anybody else in the Democratic Party. And that's saying something considering that FDR was the best Democratic President that ever lived.


Franklin Delano Roosevelt announced
the plan for a bill of social and economic
rights in the State of the Union address
broadcast on January 11, 1944


“The Economic Bill of Rights”

Excerpt from President Roosevelt's January 11, 1944 message to the Congress of the United States on the State of the Union:

“It is our duty now to begin to lay the plans and determine the strategy for the winning of a lasting peace and the establishment of an American standard of living higher than ever before known. We cannot be content, no matter how high that general standard of living may be, if some fraction of our people—whether it be one-third or one-fifth or one-tenth—is ill-fed, ill-clothed, ill-housed, and insecure.

This Republic had its beginning, and grew to its present strength, under the protection of certain inalienable political rights—among them the right of free speech, free press, free worship, trial by jury, freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures. They were our rights to life and liberty.

As our nation has grown in size and stature, however—as our industrial economy expanded—these political rights proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness.

We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.”<2> People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.

In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.

Americas own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.

For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.



Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

I believe in every one of those things... do you?

:shrug:

I'd love to see how this would poll these days? DailyKos/SEIU ???

:hi:
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:22 PM
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1. 110%
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:22 PM
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2. BAAA SOCIALISM!
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canoeist52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:28 PM
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3. "That's a REAL American hero", I said to my kid while
listening to his senate speech the other day.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:30 PM
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4. Oops. nt
Edited on Tue Jun-28-11 02:44 PM by ZombieHorde
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:33 PM
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9. If you are joking, you need to make it clearer.
If you aren't, why do you say Sanders is a racist? What is the basis for your statement?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:44 PM
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14. Oh shit, I thought the person I was replying to was writing about someone else.
I have absolutely no problems with Sanders. I should probably self delete that reply.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 03:16 PM
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20. Sorry. I think I know now what you were responding to.
Couldn't quite figure it out. Sometimes, I respond to DUers by name so that other posters can know to which post my own is directed. Sometimes I forget.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:31 PM
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5. K&R
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:32 PM
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6. I agree all the way. Bernie Sanders is more of a democrat than most I hear today. n/t
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:27 AM
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43. +1
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Ice Number Nine Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:32 PM
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7. Bernie Sanders?!? Is that really the best you can do?
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:36 PM
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11. Evan Bayh Fan, Huh ???
DLC, Third Way, No Label, compromising sell-outs.

I'll take Bernie over the rest of them, any day of the week.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:39 PM
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:47 PM
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15. No... I Want Democrats To ACT LIKE Democrats...
I want them to fight. I want them to use the bully pulpit and beat the crap out of the Republicans. I want them to target as many key conservative Republicans, and a number of conservative democrats, and make them fearful for their jobs. I want them out educating the populace as to the real dangers of the real agenda of the right-wing Republicans. I want them to support Unions, minorities, GLBT, the poor, the elderly, the unemployed, the disenfranchised, the disaffected, the down and out...

and I want them do do it LOUDLY and PROUDLY, and I want them to start NOW... not in 2012.

PS. You don't know me well enough to tell me what I do or don't want.

:evilfrown:
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Ice Number Nine Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 05:00 PM
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25. apparently, someone had a problem with Evan Bayh being called a piece of shit.
why?
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 03:52 PM
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22. methinks your attitude belies a republican bent
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Ice Number Nine Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 05:01 PM
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26. You probably think that about most everyone in the Democratic Party.
Right?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:09 AM
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45. no just the majority of those who pay attention.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 04:02 PM
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24. And who would choose?
I agree regarding Sanders, btw.
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Ice Number Nine Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 05:03 PM
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27. I choose Obama. not sure about 2016.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:38 PM
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56. Get screwed troll and go back to racistville.
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:33 PM
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8. Absolutely! K&R
I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
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donco Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 03:13 PM
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19. Ten four
i wish he would run...now.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:35 PM
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10. K&R. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:43 PM
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13. fiddle dee dee. I love Bernie. I know Bernie. He's my Senator and he is NOT
the only person in Congress who embodies those principles. Just because YOU don't know that, doesn't mean it isn't true.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 02:57 PM
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16. Well Jeez Cali... Maybe A Few Of Them Could Ya know... Speak Up Once In A While
And do it in real speak... not the careful not to offend the Republicans or anyone else speak we are continially numbed by.

:shrug:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 03:00 PM
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17. and Jeez, maybe they do.
I know for a fact that my rep Peter Welch speaks up constantly. He's not covered by the MSM nearly as much as Bernie. And I know that there are other reps that do so as well.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 03:05 PM
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18. Great... We Have What... A Total Of Six, Maybe Seven ???
We've got George Miller and Barbara Boxer out here too, but it seems as if everybody is once again "keeping their powder dry" until the time is right.

The time is NOW... we need something to fight for, someone to lead the charge...

Waiting for next year may be way too late.

:shrug:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 03:47 PM
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21. Sanders is a better democrat than most Dems -- !! We need New Deal II ... and a new FDR!!
Edited on Tue Jun-28-11 03:52 PM by defendandprotect
FDR didn't get medical care included at the same time --

Truman didn't get it passed and it never got done until Medicare --

but New Deal was the greatest stimulus package ever passed!!

We need New Deal II -- let's go!!

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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 09:03 AM
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49. The New Deal never got unemployment below 15%
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 09:07 AM by Recursion
That is, more than half again what it is now. And that was with women and minorities not included in the official numbers for the most part: actual unemployment when you count underserved populations was significantly higher.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 03:58 PM
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23. great post K & R
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 05:22 PM
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28. Bernie's become my Hero
NO ONE speaks with the plain English honesty about the creeping injustices that are slowly smothering this nation. If our president spoke with HALF the clarity and direction that Sanders does, we'd truly HAVE the "change" we were duped into hoping for.
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 05:28 PM
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29. Today's Democratic Party wouldn't touch FDR
That's why Bernie needs to stay independent. I see Bernie and FDR similar in several ways - and today's Democratic Party just doesn't want to risk their safe access to oligarchic capital with a change agent who has respect for the working men and women of the nation.


He isn't content with mealy-mouthed, incremental useless gestures.

He is willing to showup and fight for the policies he advocates - not give a nice speech and disappear.

He isn't deferential to bankers, and doesn't think they need to be catered to.

He rises up to a fight and a challenge, not go-along to get-along.

He wasn't just marking time in office, hoping for a Wall Street or lobbying job.


Yeah, FDR wasn't perfect, I won't roll out his slow response to Hitler, the Holocaust, racial justice...but compared to TODAY! He's like a god, walking on water.


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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 08:07 PM
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34. Very well said.
:kick:
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 06:48 PM
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30. Absolutely. We were so blessed to have him and we are in serious
danger of losing all of it. Thank you for your post.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 07:50 PM
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31. I was hoping our Democrats would rush in with that 2nd Bill of Rights in 2009
Edited on Tue Jun-28-11 07:56 PM by Overseas
To get us up to the level of other advanced industrial nations
and provide us with a strong safety net to weather the economic upheaval we were and still are going through.

So sad that when supply side had crashed and burned we couldn't zoom in all Demand Side and set things on a more compassionate course.

We gave the corporate powers too much time to push their agenda of bankrupting us all further.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 08:06 PM
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33. Yeah Huh ??? - To Like, You Know, Finish The Undone Work Of Civilization...
Makes perfect sense to humans, is opposed by corporations.

Guess who keeps winning?

The funny thing... the rich STILL did well under FDR.



:shrug:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 07:47 PM
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58. yes they did. And so did our whole country.
Until our decades of supply side slide into plutocracy again.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 08:05 PM
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32. +100 Sanders is the best "we" have and that is pretty
Damned good.

BTW, when Evan Bayh is called a piece of shit. I am sure that shit everywhere,is (are?) embarrassed.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 08:10 PM
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35. As A Former Teacher... I'd Have Let You Go To Recess Early....
because so pay such wonderful attention.

:D

:bounce:

:yourock:

:hi:
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kas125 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:30 AM
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39. LOL, as a fellow Hoosier, I have to agree. n/t
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 08:37 PM
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36. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R!!!
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Denver Progressive Donating Member (97 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 08:44 PM
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37. K&R
Bernie Sanders is one heck of a senator!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-11 11:03 PM
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:14 AM
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40. Kucinich = zucchini!
Spell check also thinks Santorum should be Sanitarium!
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:09 AM
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41. My God, I Wish !
:fistbump:
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:09 AM
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42. My God, I Wish !
:fistbump:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:08 AM
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44. K&R! nt
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:12 AM
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46. What with the DLC and all, it takes an independent to be a Democrat.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:12 AM
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47. "FDR was the best Democratic President that ever lived."...
except for that whole Japanese internment thing.

People tend to kind of gloss over that bit of relevant history. How well would it go over today if Obama rounded up a couple hundred thousand Arab-Americans and put them in camps?

Sid
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 08:19 AM
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48. What a wonderful post.
Thank you for reminding us of what Democrats used to stand for.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 09:09 AM
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50. The guy who entrenched corporately-managed capitalism in the US economy?
He had some hits (SS) and some misses (WPA -- unemployment was staggeringly high even at the height of that program) but the ultimate and deliberate result of his economic policy was to concentrate economic power in the hands of a few large corporations.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:06 PM
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55. ding ding ding! we have a winner!, always good to see someone who sees multi dimensionally on here
:thumbsup:
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 09:51 AM
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51. Sanders will be my
write in candidate - if he doesn't officially run in 2012.
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:00 AM
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52. K&R Bernie seems to be the only one fighting for the people. It's too bad he's not going
to run for President... I would definitely vote for him.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:01 AM
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53. Say hey, WillyT
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 10:02 AM by Zorra
"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. "
:thumbsup:

:hi:
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:15 PM
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K&R
FDR was the best president we ever had. As far as I'm concerned, he only ever did one bad thing (though that thing was admittedly very bad)
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a2liberal Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 12:15 PM
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54. K&R
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 12:16 PM by a2liberal
FDR was the best president we ever had. As far as I'm concerned, he only ever did one bad thing (though that thing was admittedly very bad)

P.S. 100th post!
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:40 PM
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57. Ronald Regan did irreparable harm to the socialist brand in the country. Tainted it forever
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