Question about this Christian Counseling Clinic run by Bachmann

[NNN0LHI]

Do they turn away people of the Jewish, Muslim or Mormon faiths who might be in need of medical care? Do they ask for the Christian credentials before they are allowed to enter?

Anyone know how this works? I have never seen or heard of a Jewish Counseling Clinic before. Or a Mormon Counseling Clinic.

Anyone know how this works?

Don

[elleng]

1. Not sure, but don't think its 'medical' care, but emotional.psych stuff.

[NNN0LHI]

3. Does Medicaid pay for stuff not considered medical care?

[elleng]

4. dunno

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Yes. yes it is

[malaise]

29. That's all I want to know

I want Medicaid fraud :evilgrin:

[amyrose2712]

7. Mental health is medical care.

[elleng]

11. Did that come from Tipper Gore?

[amyrose2712]

14. What? I just meant to say that "psych" stuff is

medical care too, I am not commenting on whether or not that particular clinic is offering genuine medical care or not. Forgive me I just get a bit peeved when mental health care is belittled as not really "medical" or considered real. If I misunderstood you, I apologize.

[elleng]

15. gotcha. I seem to recall that tipper had something to do w that recognition.

i could b wrong.

[Maraya1969]

24. He said homosexuals are "barbarians" that need to be fixed.

The DSM (Diagnosis of Mental disorders), does not list homosexuality as an illness much less a barbarian type so he should have not gotten any more from Medicare or Medicaid. He should be investigated for Medicare fraud.

[amyrose2712]

26. Yeah, I wasnt really commenting on that,

just the way this particular poster seemed to shrug off and generalize "emotional" and "psych" stuff. I am not trying to say that this particular clinic is actually treating people in the correct manner or should have been getting any medicare or medicaid payments for the treatment. Sorry, for the misunderstanding.

[backscatter712]

18. Would be nice if Bachmann's clinic had actual psychiatric care in it...

From what I googled, it gives out nothing but Christian fundamentalist woo-woo. Not good psychology supported by research & such. As in "Cure the gay by casting out demons" type woo-woo.

[amyrose2712]

20. Yeah, I wasn't so much commenting on the clinic or what it does,

I just got the impression that the poster didn't consider "emotional" and "psych" stuff as medical issues. And the state of mental health care is wretched as it is, I tend to get a bit bothered when it is shrugged of as not really "medical" But I get what you are saying about the clinic.

[Cannikin]

2. I wonder if they can "cure" my gay.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

6. That's what I want to know

are we paying tax money to someone, who then uses it to cure the gay?

[jmowreader]

16. They'd certainly try

Or they'd just drive you to suicide.

[lifesbeautifulmagic]

5. And I would like to know if and how her husbands rigid

anti-gay beliefs play into the practice. Do they inform patients that the provider of the counseling comes from a certain (hateful) point of view, and does the good Doctor warn gay patients that they may want to look elsewhere for treatment?

[Bozita]

8. Have you looked at the credentials of the "counselors" there? Argosy U? Regent U?

Take a look:
http://www.bachmanncounseling.com/meet-our-counselors/

[Angry Dragon]

9. They have clinics in two locations

All the counselors tout their christian beliefs on the web page.
I believe there are some recordings of Marcus discussing some of his
efforts to de-gay some of his clients.......
Marcus claims god is the ultimate counselor
It would not surprise me in the least for god to be brought
up in the counseling sessions

[JuniperLea]

10. I'd like to know...

About this "fix the gays" therapy I heard tell about here on DU today! Good God... that's just plain snake oil! Isn't that illegal?

[KansDem]

12. They made $1,494,000 at the Lake Elmo location.

The owner is "M Bachmann"...hmmmmm

Credit rating score is "B+"...hmmmmm

This info comes from a business database (last updated on April 2011).

[Hissyspit]

22. $1,490,000 for what?

[KansDem]

27. According to the business database...

Their SIC code is: "Marriage and Family Counselors" (NAICS is "Other Family and Individual Services") :shrug:

[Hissyspit]

28. Nice work if you can get it, hunh?

[Kennah]

13. Turn away? No.

Direct to the showers in the back? Give it just a little time.

[InkAddict]

17. This was on Craig's List a while back:

Corporate Chaplains of America is a chaplaincy organization serving employees in the workplace nationwide. We employ full time, career chaplains who combine workplace experience with professional chaplaincy training. We are currently seeking applicants in the area for an opening in that area.

Our chaplains make weekly visits to the worksite. The goal is to make a personal contact with each employee, ministering to their needs and providing encouragement. We build genuine relationships while intentionally seeking opportunities to share the life-changing Good News of Jesus Christ.

Requirements our client's normally expect:

** A minimum of a Bachelor's Degree in Biblical Studies from an accredited on site college or university...etc...

Compensation: This is a paid position.
This is a part-time job.

http://columbus.craigslist.org/npo/2451611741.html



PUBLICANS! KEEP YOUR EVANGELIZING IN YOUR TAX-EXEMPT HOUSES OF GOD OR ON THE PUBLIC STREET CORNERS. DOES ANYONE SEE ANY BULLYING PRESSURE HERE???

[jberryhill]

19. No, but part of patient intake at these places

...is to advise the prospective patient that therapy is done "from a Christian perspective" so the question is why would someone of another faith enroll as a patient?

These places tend to operate on referral networks from churches. If Pastor Bob can't deal with one of his congregant's issues, he'll advise that person to get psychological help and steer him toward a "Christian counselor".

It's not like people walk in off the street. And if they have a yellow pages ad or webpage, the type o patient they want is clearly indicated by Jesus fish and Bible quotes all over the place.

If someone from another faith or no faith nonetheless shows up, it's a "witnessing opportunity" to suggest to them that part of their problem is that they are not Christian.

[amyrose2712]

21. I am not so sure about this particular clinic, but

sometimes it is because of a court order and it is the only option. My BF was court ordered to go to a counciling group for DUI and because of one reason or another ended up having to go to a "faith-based"- "for-profit" group. And to my surprise, I don't even think they had any education in psychology whatsoever.

[jberryhill]

23. It can be

...and they modulate their "Christian" level accordingly.

The thing is, there is a lot of suspicion of psychology as a science by evangelical Christians. So they get their psych, and the minimum possible, at Christian colleges, where, as in their biology classes, they are taught the theories to the point of basic competence to understand them, coupled with a boatload of evangelical criticisms and objections to these theories actually being true.

Then, it is simply a matter of whom your state will license, and the minimum qualifications for one.