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Sat Jan-08-11 04:59 PM
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America is losing the ability to function as a civil society. |
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Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 05:00 PM by dawg
And the fault lies entirely with one side. The other side, if anything, doesn't fight back hard *enough*.
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:04 PM
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1. The only way to fight back hard *enough* |
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would be to become everthing we hate, and start using violence.
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:12 PM
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4. Not really. Organizing mass movements like you see in Greece, the UK, and France is not "violence." |
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Sitting back and letting anti-worker legislation, fascists, racists and homophobic thugs harm people is not "non-violent" its just the tacit acceptance of murder and violence and the refusal to stand up for yourself and have a modicum of dignity.
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:17 PM
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5. We are perfectly capable of responding and even fighting back without becoming everything we hate |
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Though your "everything I hate list" may vary.
I didn't sign up for a capitulation and cower party. Neither are part of my values.
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:07 PM
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2. As life has been cheapened by the elites, it loses its importance for many |
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Everything from pointless wars to lost jobs, homes, and wages under constant threat, all so the chosen few can lead ever better lives at everyone else's expense ......is what is leading to the break down in our society.
Sadly both party's play a role in creating those conditions.
And it wont get any better at the rate our economy has been decaying.
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:28 PM
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7. Yes, I agree. Both parties are at fault. |
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Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 05:30 PM by truedelphi
When Obama extended the notion of "bi partisanship" to include being tolerant of the Republicans ability to act as vicious hateful and violent as they wanted to at Town Hall Meetings, without any rules or protocols, (I guess in a way to show his appreciation for some weird and deformed idealization of "democracy") then Obama allowed and encouraged this to happen.
Town Hall Meetings, prior to the Obama Administration, had always included protocols. You came early to such a meeting and signed up if you wanted to speak. You couldn't just willy nilly start screaming at people because you wanted to. Moderators had the right to have you escorted out of the meeting if you or your statements or behavior were beyondthe pale.
I had friends who attended a Lynn Woolsey Town Hall meeting shortly after Obama capitulated on this issue. They were very scared of the tone of the meeting, and wondered if violence would erupt. And they were fairly sure that some of the people whose behavior was the nastiest were not local to that part of California.
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:32 PM
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9. The German historian or the Asia Times commentator? |
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:51 PM
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although i think its obvious were maxed out as a culture this shooting crystallizes it. IMO
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:57 PM
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11. Caesarism has come to America. |
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:24 PM
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6. The problem is that there are only a handful fighting for our side in Washington DC. |
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And even those people are pressured into voting for things they don't agree with like Kucinich when he voted for the health care bill.
Now, more than ever....We need to be the change we want to see.
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Sat Jan-08-11 05:31 PM
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8. Corporatists hate civil society, so they attack it as "Socialism" and "Communism". |
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