So the WAPO reports that the President is going to cave

[nadinbrzezinski]

on entitlements again... color me surprised...

[NV Whino]

1. Color me not surprised

I knew in 2004 what we were going to get in 2008.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Oh at this stage I am not

reaching for the historian's hat... we are watching the stitcharoo of parties... when the dust settles it will be the REPUBLICANS... who will shed the crazies and will emerge on the side of the people... we are actually overdue for that.

[LLStarks]

3. Realigning elections are always fun except when you end up with Reagan. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I am not talking about that

I am talking of history... at one time the Dems were the party of business... and pro slavery... and the Rs were not...

That started to switch by 1875 or so... and the process ended by the New Deal. That is what I am talking about. Not an election, a process that has been ongoing for a while... remember the Whigs went really crazy... like the GOP is doing right now... but if the GOP throws the crazies and looks at it's populist roots.

In other words what we may be seeing is the Rs becoming Dems (long term) and the Dems becoming Rs... and if you know a really old African American ask them who they voted for until oh 1932 and why.

[AndyTiedye]

25. No Chance of That, Though the Repigs are Better Positioned to PRETEND Such due to the MSM

[601Liberal]

4. I thought I voted for a commander in chief, not a caver in chief

Why the hell does he continue to cave to people who don't want to see him be successful at anything? The American people are behind the Dems big time on taxing the wealthy, Medicare and Social Security. Hopefully, the House and Senate Democrats will have a spine and oppose the president on this.

[RKP5637]

5. He won't be reelected in 2012. n/t

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[RKP5637]

9. It's exactly what is needed. Americans are too passive, lambs for the slaughter, we have

forgotten our roots. Too many Americans today have been breed/brainwashed to be lambs and lemmings. Yep, the MSM will not do crap, as we well know, they are part of the problem. The parties are also rapidly changing. Americans need to be astute as to what is happening, some are, others will be forced to be astute for survival.

[SugarShack]

8. he never intended to be reelected...and do look back at the election, and

all of the monkeying around with "delegates" and "giving up" delegates to Obama, the strange primaries who moved ahead and a few strange caucaues. Never a peep!

[RKP5637]

11. Politicians IMO are window dressing for the masses. The "real" power operates

hidden from view, the real money and power. Politicians come and go, the real wealth and power running the nation remains.

[karynnj]

16. He won the 2008 primaries fairly

Michigan and Florida refused to listen to the DNC on when to have their primaries. The fact is that Michigan really did not have a primary where everyone was even on the ballot.

The caucuses were as they always were. The fact is that the Clintons had a strategy where she would win so BIG on superTuesday that she would become the de facto nominee. She was actually on course for it until in the last few weeks before it, her numbers dropped from getting around 70 % in places like NY, NJ, CA, and MA - in some cases being likely to get ALL the delegates if the others all fell below 15% each to getting closer to 50%.

Because her numbers fell, Obama was able to essentially tie her in delegates that day. His strategy was essentially to survive superTuesday and to win the next several elections, that Hillary had not really prepared for - as they were not likely to be needed. The problem was she had no plan B

That is why you suddenly heard early talk that it was possible that the superdelegates could disproportionately support a candidate with "slightly fewer" committed delegates, but "more electability". Now, you know that did not mean that Obama could become the nominee if HRC got more delegates. It was the Clintons trial balloon - that appeared to be made of lead.

Just because you dislike Obama, it is silly not to see that he ran a brilliant campaign - beating the party's inevitable candidate who had more media and party support going into the primaries.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. Nah. He'll get his billion in campaign donations... I mean speech... and win. n/t

[Honeycombe8]

10. WaPo is unreliable for facts regarding Democrats. Is this is NYT or AP? nt

[bhikkhu]

12. I'd rather see wait to see what happens, than trust the precogs at the post

...or here, or anywhere else. I think the whole thing just deflects all attention from the main players - who are the 87 teabagger freshmen. They'd be very pleased to mismanage the government into the ground, apparently, especially if the blame goes to Obama.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Obama is a pretty much a Republican

Cynical lying dogma shouting atavist.

[somone]

15. Only Millionaires and Billionaires Served

The best Republican since Clinton

[Odin2005]

14. Obama is dead to me.

[AndyTiedye]

17. What Else CAN He Do? If He Doesn't Cave, the Economy Gets It

The Repiglickins are invested in the ultrashort fund, so they will make out
like bandits if there is a default, and the media always covers for them,
so Obama would get the blame for it.

What other options has he, really?

[senseandsensibility]

18. Pathetic.

eom

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Standing for principles

not negotiating with terrorists... and trust me... I GET IT how bad it will be if the ceiling is not raised... I think better than most. TO me this is not theory... I lived through one and this one will be a thousand times worst.

Americans do not like the GOP, but at least they respect them for standing for their faith... yes it is a religion...

Democrats stand for nothing.

Yes in the course of human affairs you need to do what the PEOPLE want or face the music... he will be blamed either way.

[AndyTiedye]

24. Obama is in a Lose-Lose Situation. He is Trying to Save What He Can

If they stonewall the debt limit, there goes Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and everything else the government does, except for cops and military.

The teabaggers would be just fine with that. They have said so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Wrong, there goes the empire

we cannot sustain the military either.



This is what our all powerful Navy will look like soon after, and it is NOT a warm fuzzy

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. Fail.

Slashing social security in exchange for raising taxes? That'll win friends.

Is he the stupidest motherfucking negotiator on the planet?

What's he gonna capitulate in a year when the debt ceiling has to be raised again? Hmm? Actual, literal human sacrifices?

[AndyTiedye]

23. No, the Human Sacrifices would be delayed until the Palin Administration

since everyone on this thread thinks O is gonna lose…

[Kablooie]

19. We've got to get these Republican presidents out of the White House!