Have your shit-fit tonight, but we're all going to vote for Obama again in 2012.

[LLStarks]

I know it. You know it.

Unless a billionaire like Bloomberg or popular governor like Cuomo enters the race as an independent or primary challenger, people who could win states without torpedoing an election; there's no reason to vote 3rd party.

And even then, do you really want to risk crazy people like Palin or Bachmann in the WH? How about a smarmy and almost as crazy Romney? Even staying home and being selfishly apathetic on election day will be enough to make it happen.

If you want to throw Obama under the bus, be ready to reap what you sow.

I know people across the country will up in arms over the next few days about even the talk of entitlement cuts. And that's fine. We should be angry.

Neither Obama or Congress are going to change their mind to please you at the expense of our financial solvency and future. Regardless of whether our desires are politically expedient or the right thing to do, we don't have a say anymore. The ideal deal you want isn't going to happen because, as I've said repeatedly tonight, it's congressionally impossible.

Because we don't have a voice, we need our own more energetic yet rational answer to the Tea Party for 2012.

But for now, let's be pragmatic and play the politics of the possible.

[Poll_Blind]

1. Team Obama 2008: All Carrot. 2012: ALL STICK.

PB

[Luminous Animal]

11. Indeed.

[gateley]

2. Save your breath. They feel strongly about their PRINCIPLES,

and after all, it's all about them, right? :eyes: Fuck the rest of us.

This is one issue that really pisses me off, and I shouldn't have even bothered to comment except to rec (although of course it had already ben unnreced).

[Vincardog]

3. How is that working for you? Vote BO or the GOP will gut SSI? PLEASE

[defendandprotect]

6. Good thing we voted for Obama cause GOP might have stopped COLA's ... ????

There is no arguing that if you believe in the NEW DEAL or any

tradiitonal democratic ideals/principles you should recognize

that Obama is on the other side -- the corporate/elite side!

[concerned22]

Hmmmm...

[StarsInHerHair]

170. well I unrec FDR YES! Obama? Hell no!

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Sorry, but no.

I owe that man nothing and this Party less after all he and it have done. So expect nothing.

[defendandprotect]

5. If you vote for Obama you will move party and Congress even further to right ...

Think you're much mistaken about votes for Obama --

We need to find democratic candidates who are uncontaminated by Koch Bros. funded

DLC and democrats who haven't been infested by the DLC over 20 years of its being

harbored within the party.


Tons of democrats who can run on a Democratic ticket -- from Sen. Bernie Sanders to

Tom Hayden -- we need two strong anti-war candiates --


Fascism is the opposite of -- and doesn't respond to -- any practical point of view.

[LLStarks]

7. If you think Obama being called a socialist is bad, wait until Bernie embraces the term.

And gives the GOP all the fodder they need for a landslide.

He's a great guy, but not for the national stage.

[defendandprotect]

17. Worry about what Obama is actually doing -- not what rw is calling him - !!

If you support the New Deal and traditional democratic principles and

ideals then you will find it impossible to support Obama --

Just on the basis of war alone -- my conscience wouldn't permit it.

And happy to say it!

[Blue-Jay]

27. Then don't fuckin' vote for him.

We get it.

You don't

need to make yourself

into some weird leftier-than-thou

super hero / martyr

with every oddly-spaced

post.

Just don't do it.

Come

out

and

say

it.




OK?

EDIT:

added the word

"for".

[Name removed]

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[Poll_Blind]

25. Oh please, Hillary Clinton and her "He's not a muslim...AS FAR AS I KNOW."

Again, you're ALL STICK. People voted for Obama in droves in 2008 because he gave them hope. I sure hope you aren't in charge of drumming up the votes. Your concept of swaying people for Obama is about as good an idea as holding an autopsy at a buffet.

PB

[Bonobo]

35. I remember her calling him a "Slum lord" too. nt

[Aerows]

167. No kidding PB

This stick bit and your last sentence is the best analogy I've heard. They aren't going to gain votes for Obama by bashing us, they need to get on Obama's ass and tell him to start voting and acting like the Democrat he campaigned as. Bitching at people because they are mad when he's trying gut social security is not productive.

What the hell do any of these people, Obama included, think the reaction was going to be when he announces he's willing to cut SS? Candy and flowers?

[Dept of Beer]

52. Same thing was said about Obama.

[Dept of Beer]

51. Haven't you heard?

The DLC doesn't exist any longer.


If you have a bag of dookie and change the bag the next day you still have a bag of dookie.


But the DLC doesn't exist any longer.

[defendandprotect]

70. DLC does still exist and goes all the way to third way, PPI and PNAC ....

Catch up with their new website --

Where they tell us all about the "New Dems" and how this is all interconnected!!

Yeah -- Koch Bros and DLC is a huge bag of "dookie" --

[oxymoron]

8. Nope

He and any Dem that agrees to these cuts will absolutely not get my vote. I vote for Democrats. Not Republican Lites.

[LLStarks]

12. Then I challenge you and everyone else on DU to give me a better budget/debt deal that WILL pass. nt

[defendandprotect]

20. Obama has set up the Repugs -- resurrected them from the ashes ....

created this position he is now in -- rather than using his mandate to

knock out corporate/fascism he's used his power to further it -- while

claiming the GOP is making him do it!


End $120 billion in tax cuts for rich --

Raise the ceiling on Social Security FICA payments by the wealthy --

End the wars --

Cut the MIC --

Stop the trade agreements --

Renew Glass Steagall --

Create new stimulus and put taxpaying Americans back to work --

[LLStarks]

69. Even if it costs us in 2016, I'm holding out hope for a hyper-progressive second Obama term. nt

[defendandprotect]

71. And I'm holding my sides laughing ... !! Sad, very sad, to say !!

[concerned22]

80. Progressive for Wall Street Vampires, you mean....

Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Bank of America and Citigroup are fatter than ever thanks to 0bama, Geithner and Bernanke. That's about the most poorly kept secret in the world today - Keynesianism is all about pumping money into Wall Street's Oligopolistic coffers while the rest of America is tightening its belt.

[Marr]

107. Well, keep on Hope©ing.

[Obamanaut]

158. "Hope and Change" turned out to be code for "Same old, Same old." Enough already! nt

[newspeak]

183. yeah, and how's that extension of Little Boot's tax cuts for the wealthy

working? Oh, it's only temporary until the corrupt, greedy repugs can make it permanent. Rescinding those tax cuts, cutting some military spending, especially to over paid vulture contractors, while creating more government infrastructure jobs to get people working and money flowing. the repugs want to cut drastically which will create even more job loss, just to keep themselves and their rich friends from paying.

And I'd really love to see the big boys on Wall Street pay, because they deserve to pay-some have caused this economic destruction, not just us, but countries all over the world, just so they could make a killing.

I'd say Obama and Hillary are two peas in a pod. Why bash Hillary? The Clintons seem to have the same ideology as Obama. Go DLC, oh I mean Third way.

[Aerows]

169. Cut defense spending

and stick to their damn guns. The Republicans want to raise the debt ceiling - we all know this. If Obama caves to their demands, they know he will be throwing the Democratic party under the bus, and they know the result.

And YOU if you are such a strong supporter of Obama need to be writing to him and telling him not to shoot himself in the foot, along with your other representatives and senators.

[Dept of Beer]

54. Say that here during the election season and...

[TheKentuckian]

168. Lite??? That would be full on, just not a neo-Bircher.

[Better Believe It]

9. Why in the world would you even consider voting for Bloomberg or Cuomo if they ran?

Just what this country needs, a different tool for Wall Street in the White House!

[Blue-Jay]

10. Tonight?

The shit fit never ends. It's a 24/7 sport.

[ZombieHorde]

I think of it as more of a hobby than a sport. nt

[FreakinDJ]

13. Hilary is looking pretty good right now

[Skip Intro]

24. ;)

[defendandprotect]

30. Whaaaat ? Hillary is part of Koch Bros. funded DLC leadership ... ????

:nuke:

[gkhouston]

53. It's not clear to me that things would be significantly different. n/t

[gkhouston]

14. The politics of the possible?

It's possible that people who are out of work and have had their Social Security and Medicare traded away aren't going to see any reason to believe they will be better off voting for any Democrat, much less Obama.

[LLStarks]

15. I take it you'd prefer the Ryan Plan? nt

[Mojorabbit]

19. I would prefer a Prez who uses his bully pulpit

to rally the country saying he has the people's back. Poll after poll shows that they do not want SS touched. I bet enough republicans would face revolt in their districts and fold. This is giving it away without a fight.

[tnlefty]

28. I'd prefer that the President tell Ryan and his plan and the

repukes in general to stick it where the sun doesn't shine, but that's a personal fantasy of mine. I would never, ever expect him to do it.

[concerned22]

82. I wish 0bama would personally kick Ryan's Regressive ass, myself..nt.

[tnlefty]

164. Welcome concerned22!

:hi:

[defendandprotect]

34. We would prefer the NEW DEAL and democratic principles plan, FDR ....

and not a Koch Bros. funded DLC which has infested the party for 20 years --

polluting its candidates and its agenda -- turning the party upside down for

corporate/fascism.

[gkhouston]

39. False choice, but thanks for playing. n/t

[woo me with science]

64. There will always be a new Ryan plan. That's the brilliance of it.

The new leadership is by excuse.

They're already printing up the new "New Democrat" bumper stickers:


"Vote for us. We're hostages."
"Vote for us. We're marginally better than death squads."
"Vote for us. We're dismantling the social safety net somewhat more slowly than the other guy."
"Vote for us. We have no purity tests. And no principles."

[Marr]

105. The sad fact is things like the Ryan plan have a better chance under a DLC-sort of administration

than even a Republican one. Obama has proven adept at pushing that right-wing policy under the guise of "compromise". That sort of policy would be more of a political football without a disguised Republican the White House.

[Change has come]

16. How many elections will you "third way" types win?

You're either part of a coalition or you're not.

[LLStarks]

32. If Perot won in '92 and didn't have his platform absorbed, Third Wayers might have a leg to stand on

Coming in 2nd in two states doesn't cut it.

[LLStarks]

18. If you guys want change, primary your congressman. Stop trying to work with the 112th Congress. nt

[Blasphemer]

21. I'm quite sure that many won't

The DU rules may prevent those who do not from saying so. I don't think those non-voters will impact the results in 2012 because the GOP has a pathetic line up of candidates. I am very concerned that Obama's decisions as POTUS will undermine the party's chances in 2016. It could well be a repeat of 2000, except with the addition of the Tea Party element.

[Eddie Haskell]

31. I have friends who wouldn't think of voting Replublican ...

they're now saying they won't vote in 2012.

[Skip Intro]

22. What a load. nt

[Drale]

23. What are all this toddlers going to say when nothing

of the short that is being reported happens? Are they going to apologize for the personal attacks that have been going on for the last hour or so?

[Mojorabbit]

29. The NYT speaks of secret meetings

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4909546

[Drale]

33. I'm sure they are secret meetings but they are secret

and I'm sure the NYT or WP or any other paper has no idea whats going on at those meetings they are just printing bullshit at this point to cause controversy.

[defendandprotect]

50. Secrecy isn't democracy -- -- and we've had too many back room deals from Obama already -- !!

[tkmorris]

72. Da fuck you callin a toddler?

Have you read the rules around here lately?

[rug]

26. In other words, shut up and vote.

[LLStarks]

36. In a sense, yes. But this is more of a "don't shit yourself" request. nt

[defendandprotect]

38. It's more like "Drill now, think later" -- "Vote now, don't think" --- however ....

the more you vote for the lesser evil the more you move the party

and Congress to the right --

while the nation is on the left and being betrayed --

80% of the public want an end to the wars --

73% of Americans want MEDICARE FOR ALL --

that includes 83% of Catholics who also want reproductive health care/abortion included

[Dept of Beer]

56. Or else...

[LiberalAndProud]

37. For the first time, I am doubtful of Obama reelection.

If these reports are true, the vote will be suppressed. Democrats will not turn out. If this is the outcome of so much work and unprecedented activism to get a Democrat elected, I fail to see the point of trying.

This is fundamental betrayal. They don't call it the third rail for nothing. And it's a Democrat who will be held responsible. Thanks for nothing.

[defendandprotect]

41. Notice as bad as this is, there is no Democrat coming forward which indicates

we've had complete infestation of the Democratic Party by the Koch Bros

funded DLC --

Where are the Democrats who are supporting Social Security and Medicare -- ?

A handfull in the progressive caucus?

The party has totally been polluted by right wing money --


If you continue to vote for the lesser evil you will move the party and the

Congress even further to the right --

we have corporate/fascism controlling our government/Congress now -- how much

further to the right do you want to go?

[Dept of Beer]

57. If a politician does this to the third rail then I wouldn't

call him a Democrat.

[LiberalAndProud]

61. Clearly, they've already agreed to an adjusted CPI.

So, benefits will be cut no regardless of what other concessions he makes. And even if rumors of further concessions are just a trial balloon, it makes me sick to my stomach.

I am very serious that this makes me question my party affiliation, and that breaks my heart. I must question if I want to be a Democrat any longer.

[Dept of Beer]

79. Never question the quality of your convictions are when they are just and fair.

One should rather question the actions of those who they have bestowed their trust in.

No apologies.


I'm a (D)emocrat. I know what Democrats are supposed to fight for. I also know what republicans and hacks are capable of.

[LiberalAndProud]

81. When my party fails to reflect the quality of my convictions, how is it my party?

If the general trajectory of policy is the same regardless of party, it may be time to join the majority of the populace and just stay home. Does that favor Republicans? Yes it does. Does it matter? I'm not sure that it does any more.

I have wanted to not arrive at this place, yet here I am.

[Dept of Beer]

83. I understand what you are getting at.

No apologies. Believe what you believe. Perhaps there are more than just a few here in this big tent that agree with your sentiment.

[gkhouston]

75. For the first time, I am indifferent about an Obama re-election. n/t

[Mimosa]

87. Me, too. I refuse to be scared.

I lived under Nixon, Reagan. Bush 41 and Bush 43. Clinton and Obama merely seem part of the warring job-offshoring continuity. I wish it weren't so. I worked to get Obama elected. I gave Obama my pitiful money. But he's listening to those with differing agendas.

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[LLStarks]

43. The battlefield for a progressive congress is 2012. The White House will have to wait until 2016.

Suck it up guys.

We can do it, it'll just take time.

[defendandprotect]

48. We don't have time to vote for any more lesser evils which move party further to the right ...

Nor does the environment have the time -- nor the planet --

nor our military -- nor Iraq, Afghanistan and all of the ME --

How many more dead and destroyed by 2016?

How many just since 2008 -- !!! and 2006 -- !! When Pelosi confirmed that

"Dems were elected to end the war!" -- :nuke:


Don't think that most of what's left of Obama supporters here understand

Obama is out of time -- it's over.

[LLStarks]

49. Being elected to change Washington means nothing if the numbers on the Hill are stacked against you.

[defendandprotect]

63. When Dems had presidency, Senate, House they lost -- when GOP has House, they win?

:rofl:

Amazing what some will believe!!



Obama has ... what they say ... "snatched defeat from the jaws of victory" --

conveniently for him as he picked a team on Day #1 which was directed to a win

for corporations -- not the public.

But good thing we didn't vote for GOP last time cause they might have been knocking

out Social Security and Medicare!!!


:rofl:

[Erose999]

141. How will and (D) candidate win on Obama's record of failures and capitulations? The GOP didn't do

so well campaigning on GWB's record in 2008. Obama will likewise poison the well for Dems in 2012.

If you think Bachmann and Santorum are scary now, just wait.

[RandomKoolzip]

44. At this point the only difference between the parties on a national level is merely a

question of style. Would you rather have some gauche hick, drooling-stoned on god and/or Rand, fucking you in the ass or would you rather it be a cool guy who dresses sharp (and uses some lube) (and tells you he hates doing it but still does it)?

[LLStarks]

47. Nice analogy, too bad your post is nightmare fuel. nt

[Dept of Beer]

109. Will it be a nightmare that we are able to wake up from?

[izquierdista]

46. Speak for yourself

If the two possibilities are gradual suffocation and complete loss of oxygen, maybe having the Repubs snuff out the United States will be the better course. At least that way, people get around to picking up the pieces and trying to rebuild sooner.

[kath]

174. That's pretty much where I am at this point.

Get it over with, so people can wake up and start rebuilding.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

55. Speak for yourself. My vote is still my vote to use as I please.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." Thomas Jefferson

[Dept of Beer]

59. Nice quote.

I've been looking for a Harry S. Truman quote on Dems and republicans.

[H2O Man]

58. Delusional thinking there.

It would be foolish to believe that. The President and his team need to recognize that a large portion of the people who voted for him in '08 are very unlikely to do so again. He needs to earn their votes.

Some will vote third party in protest; others will vote third party in an earnest attempt to break the current stranglehold on national politics; and others will not vote for anyone.

This is significant. No matter what polls say now about overall percentages of popularity, presidential elections depend upon state counts. And President Obama is not in any position where he can afford to take a number of states he carried in '08 for granted.

[Dept of Beer]

60. Are these the official marching orders?

Do I get a kick in the ass for voting or a kick to the groin?


So many options.

[juajen]

62. BS. I will vote for whomever I please. I don't buy into a dem at any cost crapola.

[KelleyKramer]

65. so it went from 'change we can believe in' to the 'politics of the possible' ????

That's what it has come to? .. seriously??!?

Oh my, the last 2 1/2 years of action sure have changed the selling message...

You HAVE to vote for me because I don't suck as much as the most batshit insane candidates to ever enter US politics.

After a landslide election win, and the bonus of super majorities in both houses of congress..

And now that is all you have? That is your best sell?? .. seriously?

[LLStarks]

68. Can I offer you a shit sandwich or a giant douche? Also, welcome to politics. nt

[defendandprotect]

73. This is the shadow of corporatism cast over government -- elite $$$$ --

polluting and corrupting the government and political arena --

[LLStarks]

76. And the rest of the world laughs at us because of it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/ihd42/til_that_the_dutch_use_the_term_amerikaanse/

[defendandprotect]

133. No -- and, in fact, much of the world is being attacked as we are by corporates/elites ...

Look at Europe and how their safety nets are being destroyed --

Look at what the trade agreements are doing to us -- and to Mexico --

Wherever you look there is destruction by the rightwing as fascism grows.


Very few people will laugh at the suffering of our ill and suffering --

and you have only to read the suffering of many here at DU to understand that.


Did we laugh at those harmed during Katrina? And do we begin to understand now

that we all have the real possibility of being "Katrina'd" ... ?

[myrna minx]

74. More delightful GOTV efforts for President Obama.

:applause: Fuck you! Screw you! or Fuck off! You decide.

[KelleyKramer]

77. Defeatist and pathetic!

This reminds me of people who get hit over the head with a club and say..

Thank you Sir, may I have another!

I don't care to get my head smashed in.

Sell your pathetic story, you can sell it walking.

[MiaCulpa]

66. Clap louder and enjoy the catfood.

Because if you don't vote Democratic, the Republicans will win and do all the things Democrats are helping Obama do.

[Mimosa]

84. LOL sad but true (the art of the impossible)

OP Title should be "What's he Done NOW?"

[woo me with science]

103. Exactly how the chained CPI will work...

Cat food is the new sirloin.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=1399700

[Erose999]

146. Well at least the USDA requires that all pet food be fit for human consumption.

I hope nobody tells that to the Republicans though, as they will then seek to deregulate the pet food industry.

[myrna minx]

67. Desperate smugness is rather unbecoming.

Stop the press - another STFU post making the President of the United States of America a victim and unaccountable. I'll be over here with the teachers, the elderly, the unions, the poor, women and the LGBTIQ who are all clutching our ponies. So is "shit fit" the new pony?

On edit - I'll vote for whomever I choose, thank you: Not the dictates of party entitlement. Talk about entitlements. :eyes:

[hulka38]

78. Wrong again. n/t

[Bluebear]

85. From 'hope and change' to 'stop your shit-fit'. Inspirational! nt

[myrna minx]

88. In the olden days we had ponies that puked glitter.

Who knew they had e.coli too.

[Bluebear]

90. You said it, mm.

[Horse with no Name]

86. If he offers up SS to the republicans as an appetizer before the Medicare main course

I can pretty much assure you that neither I nor ANY Democrat that I know in REAL life will pull that lever for him.

I REFUSE to vote for a republican...even IF he is pretending to be a Democrat.

[LLStarks]

89. I won't pull the lever either because we just got rid of them.

Seriously though, I can't imagine him offering up anything that's destructive.

The tone on DU is that even shaving a penny from SS or Medicare is the end of the world.

[Horse with no Name]

93. Well when every fucking cent that is shaved off of us becomes a tax cut for the rich

it IS the end of the world.

We need REAL HOPE and REAL CHANGE...not just some touchy feely speeches while everything we hold near and dear is bargained away. We NEED a REAL leader...not an empty suit.

[LLStarks]

97. I'd rather be miserable with Obama than suicidal with a Gooper. Nobody can primary Obama and win. nt

[Horse with no Name]

98. Well hate to break it to ya...obama IS a Gooper.

A REAL Democrat wouldn't do what he has done.

[LLStarks]

101. A real democrat doesn't make it to the national stage and survive. Sad truth. nt

[Horse with no Name]

104. Bullshit. Americans THOUGHT they elected a real Democrat and gave that REAL Democrat a mandate

obama took that mandate and squandered it away begging the republicans to like him.

For ALL that he has given away unnecessarily--he HAS NOT got ONE thing in return. Not a single vote.
Not a single concession and the moron still hasn't figured it out.

[LLStarks]

108. Standing next to Gravel and Kucinich, I never expected Obama to be a REAL Democrat. nt

[Horse with no Name]

111. Yeah..unfortunately the resemblance he has to Reagan is nauseating. n/t

[LLStarks]

122. Every time I see a real Democrat with WH aspirations, I check for a "Rep." prefix and facepalm.

Our only hope is people like Feingold who don't have the historical stigma of being a member of the lower house.

[gkhouston]

121. Well, there's no point in voting for a fake one. n/t

[Dept of Beer]

96. If they go for SS or Medicare it won't be to shave a penny.

The razor used will be for opening our carotid.

[Dept of Beer]

91. That's alright.

And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and Diebold sings the song

[dana_b]

124. true - how we vote (or don't)

probably will be inconsequential anyway. Diebold 2012!!

[Dept of Beer]

134. Tagline.

We know how you will vote even before you do.

-or-

Let us take the hassle out of voting.

[dana_b]

135. scary but true n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

92. Going for a world record in unrecs?

If the WaPo article is correct, you aren't.

To paraphrase Myrna Minx, elected officials willing to rob us of that which we're entitled, is not entitled to my vote.

[gkhouston]

118. Thanks for the reminder! Forgot to unrec this swale o' swill. n/t

[saras]

94. Luckily I'm in a state that will vote Obama, so I can vote for someone whose values I respect

If I have to vote Obama to keep a wingnut from taking my state, I will.

But otherwise, I'm going to vote the same Democratic values I've always voted, no matter how far the party moves to the right from those values.

But given the absolute pathetic triviality of Republican candidates, why is everyone so worried about whether Obama will win in 2012 or not? Didn't he do enough for people to be preferable to the Tea Party?

[Bluebear]

95. "But for now, let's be pragmatic" - right out of the DLC sellout playbook.

[girl gone mad]

99. Not a chance.

[Name removed]

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[Dr Fate]

102. SOOOO with you. The professional left needs to admit this is a Center Right Nation.

Nt

[Bluebear]

106. DLC is destroying the party.

[Horse with no Name]

110. The "Centrists" need to give up their charade and admit that they are republicans

Demean the REAL Democrats by calling them the "professional left" all you want...but we all know that the republican brand is tarnished and the centrists were cowards (as usual) and wouldn't even fight for their own party. They just infiltrated ours.

[LLStarks]

113. So, being excessively liberal on social issues yet conciliatory on economic issues is centrist? nt

[Horse with no Name]

114. Oh please...which "Centrist" are you claiming is excessively liberal?

Please. I know the difference between shit and chocolate pudding...even when someone tries to convince me otherwise.

[LLStarks]

115. Me. Because the running insinuation in this thread is that I'm cookie-cutter DLC.

I probably deserve it given the nature of the thread, but I'll defend my views to the death.

[Horse with no Name]

120. I don't embrace the big tent. Moderates and Centrists with republican values are republicans

You can identify yourself any way you wish...that is your prerogative. Just like it is mine to label a duck a duck--even if they call themselves a goose.

[Caretha]

159. And I'll defend my views to the death too

And crap that you post or are paid to post will not influence me one little bit.

[Dr Fate]

116. I'm using the phrase the way the Obama admin uses it, not in a demeaning way.

Nt

[Bluebear]

123. The way the Obama admin uses it certainly IS in a demeaning way.

[Starry Messenger]

112. I realize this is satire.

But at a certain point doesn't trying to type that stuff with a straight face kind of back up on you like too many greasy french fries?

[Change has come]

117. Enjoy your future victories!

:hi:

[gkhouston]

119. all polling to the contrary.... n/t

[Ignis]

136. Which DUers are the "professional left?"

:shrug:

[Dr Fate]

137. The ones who would rather attack Obama than go after Palin, Bachman and the Koch Brothers.

The ones who are fooled by the media into using rw tactics to attack themselves, etc.

More:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x700427

[Stinky The Clown]

125. Unrec for overly sticky flypaper.

[Speck Tater]

126. Obama was the last Republican I will ever vote for. nt

[LLStarks]

127. What kind of Republican would end DADT, ignore DOMA, and use smart tactics to kill OBL? nt

[Erose999]

152. Yeah, about that...

DADT lasted longer than it needed to and it may still return on appeal.

DOMA need to be taken off the books. Simply not enforcing it is not enough. If it remains on the books a future administration can start enforcing it again.

and about killing OBL... he really should have been captured alive and formally charged and tried for his crimes. I'm not cool with extrajudicial assassination at the President's order. That sets a fucking dangerous precedent.

[meow mix]

128. i yearn for the days when less people were rounded up at the point of a submachine gun.

and i dont reward liars.

[provis99]

129. now I remember why I put you on Ignore the first time.

Back on the Ignore list.

[Name removed]

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[dana_b]

131. I know nothing of the sort

how presumptuous of you.

[kenny blankenship]

132. Like hell we are.

[Raine]

138. Don't presume to tell me what I will do with my vote

because you are dead wrong. Yeah I have no where else to go, that's why I will sit it out. I will NEVER again vote for a Democrat that is nothing but a Republican in disquise. If it makes you feel better though go ahead and be unrealistic and believe whatever you want.

[Eddie Haskell]

151. I'll second that, we have no representation.

Our votes don't count ... We can't fix a system that's rigged. Working within the system only makes it stronger.

[HillWilliam]

139. Kiss my grits.

We were sold change from *. What we've gotten is being sold down the road a piece at a time. This is a continuing pattern from the DLC (or whoever the fuck they're calling themselves these days) since 2006: sell a bunch of "hope" and "change" then immediately turn their backs on us after they've gotten time we had to make and money we didn't have to spare.

"Politics of the possible" my fruit-flavored ass. That's just a buzzphrase for "we'll take your time, effort, and money then forget you ever existed when we get what we want". What we were sold (and we foolishly bought) was a break from Republican and RepubliLite "democrats" who screw their constituents for profit. What we got was MOTS - more of the same -- every election since 2006... the evil-lite, slightly less evil than the other guy, the silly one calorie of evil, not quite evil enough to be a repig.

Fuck that. I'm a (D)emocrat and only a balls-to-the-wall Democrat will get my vote. Not some suit who makes pretty speeches then sells your house out from around you down to the shoes off your feet simply by conceding them to the repigs as the first things on the table -- not the last.

Primary his ass. And if he recovers from that, yay. But he still isn't getting any votes from this household.

When I see a Democrat worthy of my time, effort, and money then that one will get time, effort, money, AND my vote.

So far, I don't see it happening.

[TheCowsCameHome]

140. "All"?

I don't think so.

[jeanmarc]

142. no, I'm not. I really don't care to vote for Obama if he makes this deal

[WinkyDink]

143. I don't know it. I'm not so sure he wants to run again.

[katnapped]

144. Nope, sorry

He does this he can kiss my *ss. My vote isn't a "given"

(and shame I can't unrec this a few more times)

[merbex]

145. Very Very easy for me to leave the presidential box blank after this

VERY EASY and I will feel vindicated doing it too

[Ganja Ninja]

147. Speak for yourself.

I will not reward a Democratic president that sells out Social Security.

It would be no different than voting for Mitt Romney.

[ThomWV]

148. There will be other choices

[mmonk]

149. I will not vote for any president that unravels what's left of the New Deal.

So we shall see what the end result will be.

[undeterred]

150. Maybe a Democrat will run for president.

That's who I'll cast my vote for.

[hobbit709]

153. It will be difficult to push the buttons while holding my nose with one hand

and holding a barf bag in the other

[alsame]

154. And here on DU we often ponder how the GOP gets people to

vote against their own interests. Seems like the Democrats are now going to use the same playbook.

[Bluebear]

165. ?

[Name removed]

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[Autumn]

156. Don't take that check to the bank.

I'm not a constitutional scholar but I do believe in the Constitution,

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
you will notice it says People, our. Not Wall Street, corporations.

I'll throw him under the bus and I'm ready to reap what I sow. If they won't change their minds to please us, then it's time to change them. That's the the politics of the possible.

Personally I would rather have a rapid fall into hell than a long drawn out slide.

[Buns_of_Fire]

161. We've all peeled off Band-Aids. Many, from our youngsters.

You can scrape away from the edges, give it a little tug to release another fraction of an inch, and either cause more pain to yourself or know that you're causing more pain.

Or just take a firm grip and rip it off once and for all and get it over with.

This "long drawn out slide," is starting to appear more than a little sadistic.

[Obamanaut]

157. Will you do a 'write-in' when he is not successful in the primaries? nt

[leeroysphitz]

160. I wouldn't fucking count on ut. n/t

[WI_DEM]

162. Most people will probably hold their noses and vote for the traitor but there will still be

many who will sit out the presidential race or decide to vote Green and that, my friend, could mean the defeat of President Obama. Will we like having a GOP president? NO, but Obama has betrayed Democrats one too many times.

[Kermitt Gribble]

163. Ridiculous post.

"Neither Obama or Congress are going to change their mind to please you at the expense of our financial solvency and future."

You're equating Social Security and Medicare to a pony? Those are core issues of the Democratic Party. And, neither has a role in our national debt, so your "Financial solvency and future" statement is bullshit.

I won't vote for a Democrat who doesn't fight for the core issues of the Democratic Party. He has about 16 months to earn my vote.

[white_wolf]

166. If Obama cuts a single sent from SS or Medicare I won't vote for him.

I'm not even sure if I will if he doesn't cut them, but if he does then forget it. I wouldn't vote for him again to save my life if he cuts those.

[robcon]

172. You're going to vote for a Repuglican? Or not vote?

Whatever the results, the Repuglicans win.

[alarimer]

171. Don't tell me what to do.

I will not be voting for Obama, no matter how many people tell me I have to.

He has betrayed liberal and Democrats in general.

[LooseWilly]

173. Keep telling yourself that.

I particularly like the phrase you used though: "we don't have a say anymore". The funny part is that 'we' do... and that voice is expressed the same way as it is being expressed by the Tea Party that you keep trying to set up as a boogeyman—'our' voice is expressed by NOT voting for candidates that don't represent us.

It's as simple as that. If people aren't being represented, but they vote for that candidate anyway... then they're demonstrating how little anything they ask for/demand needs to be considered by said candidate when "crunch time" comes around.

Carry on with the threats of Tea Party loonies though... it's amusing to read. Rather than "politics of the possible" though, I'd suggest you call it "the politics of submission". You might even be able to convince some voters that it's the "other side" that your politics are meant to make submit. ;)

[TheKentuckian]

175. I'd speak for myself. This ain't everyone's first cycle or two.

I know we are responsible for what we set loose on the people just as I believe the Republicans are.

We are obligated to replace these frauds and give the people a real choice or we endorse and demand what those that we vote in, do exactly what they do.

We can only do so much about tricksters pulling shenanigans but we own it when we send them back to pull more shit off.

You vote for people that would do that kind of damage and you buy it.

You raise an opposition and replace the betrayers. If the electorate goes the other way then they chose it, I will not endorse or in any way support what is going down.

If they won't change their minds we are obligated to do our best to change it for them.

I won't buy another penny of ownership in this debacle. It is time to do what is right for our elders, ourselves, our children, and those that may come along down the line because it is better to fail in the best effort to do right than to willfully fail by cowardly inaction and stubborn but aimless partisanship.

[Horse with no Name]

187. I wish you would make this its own OP

It is lost here in the ra-ra thread.

I have been trying to express how I feel, but this sums it up nicely. Good job.

[WillyT]

176. You Funny...

:evilfrown:

[Bluebear]

179. in a pathetic sort of way :0

[rucky]

177. How does this make you feel?

Your tone is triumphant, which it kinda puzzling to me.

[blkmusclmachine]

178. The Party's forever going right.

Where will it end? At this pace, we'll be nominating Bachmann-lite for POTUS in 20 years, and be told "it's the best we can do." I don't support that, and I don't support the people that tell us it's the best we can do. Time to cleanse our Party of the Fakes & Wannabe's.

[Marrah_G]

180. speak for yourself

[Le Taz Hot]

181. No, WE don't know any such thing.

You, like the Democratic Party, think we have no choice. How wrong you/they are.

[unkachuck]

182. "...but we're all going to vote for Obama again in 2012."

....sorry, I can't do that. I only vote for Democrats.

[emsimon33]

184. count me out in 2012

[Union Scribe]

185. "We should be angry" Then we should roll over and take it. Lol.

Good plan!

[graywarrior]

186. There has to be an algebraic equation for rational vs irrational