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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:18 AM
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President Obama Is Following CA Governor Brown's Example - GOP Can't Accept "Proposed" Cuts
I know that some folks are in a tizzy about alleged proposals by the Obama administration to cut Medicare and Social Security spending. The programs would remain intact, but benefits would be reduced, which combined with revenue increases and spending cuts, will shrink the deficit. This will be unacceptable to Republicans.

Why? Because Republicans do not care about the deficit!

Look at California. The odd thing is that Governor Brown is held as a great example of standing up to Republicans because he passed a budget without any Republican support, yet this budget was one hundred percent spending cuts. In contrast, President Obama has been pushing for more taxes, rather than settling for a 100 percent spending cut deal to increase the deficit. Current day Republicans are essentially unreaonable, partisan and hypocritical. The worship at the ideological alter of tax cuts.

The corporate media hails Republicans as master strategists, yet their own partisanship causes them to fear making any deal or any concessions with Democrats. In California, the fact of the matter is that Governor Brown was willing to cut a deal to limit public pensions in return for an agreement to merely extend revenues. Again, we are not talking about a permanent tax increase, but an extension. Republicans in California could have easily gotten a deal that substantially rolled back public pensions that they would never have gotten otherwise. But, due to the power of their anti-tax pledges, they could not bring themselves to accept the concessions that Brown offered. The cuts hit Republican areas of the State particularly hard, so they lost their leverage.

Now, President Obama is essentially calling the Republicans bluff that they are really concerned about the deficit. They are not. Members of DU, do you believe your own rhetoric about Republicans or do you think that Republicans are acting the way they do because they want to cut the deficit. What Republicans want to do is privitize Social Security and Medicare, not make it more solvent over the long term. Look at Ryan's proposal to turn Medicare into voucher plan. Look at Bush's proposal to privitize Social Security!

Republicans will not accept the cuts that has President Obama has informally floated because they do not really care about the debt! Look at Eric Cantor's incoherent proposal to balance tax increases with offsetting tax cuts. Republicans want to win the White House and/or end Medicare and Social Security, not merely trim benefits. Trimming some benefits while increases taxes undermines Republican arguments about out of control spending.

My belief is that contrary to corporate media reports about the naivette of Democrats, the White House is betting that the Tea Party simply will not allow any compromise with the White House. Even worse for them, despite their alleged concern about the debt, their real ulterior motive is to privitize Medicare and Social Security and making these programs more solvent is directly contrary to this goal. Republicans like Bob Dole and Alan Simpson would have jumped at these proposals, but not current day Republicans.

This is why conservative commentator David Brooks and former Republican Senator Alan Simpson are going ape shit about Republicans. They know that current Republicans in the house are on some idealogical jihad, and their purported concern about the debt is bullshit. The last thing they want to do is make Medicare and Social Security more solvent over the long term.

This is why it is safe to say that Republicans will sabotage the deal. As Boehner says, the votes aren't there. Well, he's right, because the Republican party does not really believe in the B.S. they are publicly selling. Their ulterior motive is kill medicare and social security, not just trim it in a way that makes both programs more solvent over the long term.

Now, some folks on DU may actually believe Republican rhetoric about being concerned about the debt, but I do not. As McConnell admitted, his primary goal is Democratic control of the White House, and reaching a huge deficit cutting deal with any tax increases at all with the President would be seen as a sell out by Republican partisans.

Thus, like California where Democrats ended up passing a 100 percent spending cut budget that is seen as Democratic victory because Republicans were exposed as self-destructive idealogues, the same will be true for the federal government. Republicans will sabotage any deal. The corporate media will try to portray such failure as a Republican victory, but conservatives like David Brooks and Alan Simpson who actually are concerned about the deficit will know that Republicans actually threw away an opportunity to really cut the deficit in a meaningful way, because of their own partisanship.

In other words, I think President Obama shares David Brook's view of the current Republican party. They are not fit to govern, because they have no real interest in governing, just spouting inane talking points for partisan effect. Modern day Republicans would oppose President Obama's proposals on Medicare and Social Security even more strongly than liberals, because such trimming would amount to validating these programs, and their ideology does not permit this.

Republicans want to tank the economy. They do not want to reach any deal with President Obama, which is why debt limit talks will fail. The question is whether Republicans will be held accountable as they essentially reject proposals that they paid lip service to in the past. Look at cap and trade. Look at the debt commission. As Rachel Maddow pointed out in a recent segment, Republicans will vote against proposals that they allegedly endorse to cut the debt, because they really do not have any interest in cutting the debt. If Republicans were sincere, I might worry, but I don't think they are.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:32 AM
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1. Excellent and Thanks
But Obama and the Democrats better follow up the Republicans' ultimate crash-and-burn with a huge never-ending bullhorn to expose them.

Also- you say "McConnell admitted, his primary goal is Democratic control of the White House" but I think you meant to say "McConnell admitted, his primary goal is Republican control of the White House"
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:39 AM
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2. Ah, multi-dimensional chess...
Yes, I see it now. It is all becoming clear, I can see the Leprechaun riding the unicorn over the rainbow to gently chide the nasty Republicans...oh wait, that is just bullshit :)
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:59 PM
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7. Nah, Simple Memory and Recollection, Rather Than Media Narrative
Under Bush, the Republicans tried to privitize social security. With Ryan, they tried to turn Medicare into a voucher program. Worse, despite their alleged concern about the deficit, they even proposed cutting taxes further.

The key is to ignore the corporate media friendly talking points that are designed to appeal to most Americans, and focus on the actual proposals coming from Republicans and folks behind the scenes like Grover Norquist.

Republicans are interested in privitizing Medicare and Social Security, thus they will never accept a simply cut in benefits that puts the programs into the black. Instead, they want these programs to run in the red so that they can justify privitizing them.

Still, I think most Americans actually believe the Republican talking points that they are seriously concerned about the debt. Instead, they are more interested in pursuing a very narrow, idealogical agenda, which represents mainstream Republican thought these days. Was the Bush proposal to turn social security into a massive 401(k) program a unicorn? What about Ryan's voucher program that passed the House? I wish they weren't seriously proposed, but they were, even though the corporate media has tried to minimize the significance of these efforts.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:03 PM
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9. +1
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 10:04 PM by blkmusclmachine
B.S. indeed.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:49 AM
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3. You're absolutely right, and this all started with Reagan.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 02:52 AM by pnwmom
He purposely blew up the deficit to astronomical levels so that he could then argue that we had to get rid of Social Security and every other social program he didn't like. And that has been the Rethug approach ever since. That's why they let the deficits get so high with Bush. So they could once again use them as an excuse to promote their essentially Libertarian ideals.

But I was hoping you'd explain how Obama will solve all this at the end.

:)

What does your crystal ball say?
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unionman2 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:57 AM
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4. BOTH PARTIES RIPPING US OFF!!
Here are some of the proposed Republican cuts:

# Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees. $1 billion total savings.WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

# Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding. $47 million annual savings.

# Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half. $7.5 billion annual savings

# Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20%. $600 million annual savings.

# Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of. $15 billion total savings.

# Eliminate Mohair Subsidies. $1 million annual savings.

Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress.

My father was a Federal employee for almost 50 years and many of my family members have worked for the government in many capacities, many of them union positions and I can tell you from personal experience for every dollar the Federal government spends doing good it WASTES THREE!!!
It's time to take the BLANK CHECKS AWAY from Democrats AND Republicans - they are BOTH spending our country into oblivion!!! Why do you think the shortfalls for Medicare and Social Security ARE NOT INCLUDED as part of the National Deficit????? Because they think we are too stupid to understand!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE BOTH Parties are blowing smoke up your butts!!!
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:07 AM
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5. Wow, a rational posting on DU. Thanks for that!
It's nice to read some intelligence here in the morning....even if I have to wade through all of the other DU bullshit to find it.
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cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:43 AM
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6. kick
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:01 PM
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8. k&r...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 10:03 PM
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10. That may be true, but it's no reason to shut up about it. nt
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:32 PM
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11. Or, Perhaps Use This To Call Out Republican Hypocrisy and Incoherence!
Republicans have been claiming that the reason why they want to privatize social security under Dubya and Medicare through the House GOP Medicare voucher program is because of the National Debt. They insist that this is the only way we can make the programs solvent.

Well, the ideas that President is floating, which are less drastic than those floated by his deficit commission, but significant nonetheless, show that there is no need to privitize either program. However, this flies in the face of right wing orthodoxy. Republicans want the government to fell. If the federal government is solvent, and Medicare and Social Security is in the black, what can Republicans complain about? Where is the alleged urgency to dismatle social programs and privitize various entitlements!

The question is whether the corporate media will call out the Republicans when they blow up the deal on sone inane point like taxes to millionaires and billionaires? Or, will the corporate media give Republicans a free pass by letting Mitch McConnell recite his talking point that "taxes kill jobs" a million times without interrupting him to note that layoffs due to budget cuts also kill jobs and more directly?

The point is that the last thing Republicans want to do is make either Medicare of Social Security solvent. If they are solvent, then they are deprived of the urgency to privitize either program. They want these programs to be so upside down so that they can claim with corporate media backing that privitization is a "bold" solution.

This is why I am confident that there will not be any sort of grand deal. Republicans need Medicare and Social Security to bleed red ink so that they can maintain the momentum to try to kill these programs by privitizing them.
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