I'd like to say "farewell" to all the people who are leaving...

[brooklynite]

I'm referring to all the voices again yelling "Primary Obama!", over the SS/Medicare proposal that he hasn't actually proposed.

If you're serious, you'd better get out from behind your computer (I guess you can take it with you) and hit the road since you need to:

1. find a candidate to actually run against the President, and I don't think any of the usual suspects are going to be willing (it would also be nice if the candidate was electable);

2. raise a boat-load of money to match the estimated $60 M the Obama campaign raised in he last three months; and

3. get all your field operations organized to get ballot access, campaign teams and all the other minutiae.

Or, to reference an old, old fable: who will bell the cat?

[MannyGoldstein]

1. You must be very, very proud of the coming Social Security cuts

I guess your side wins for now.

[brooklynite]

3. Please enlighten us as to what they are...

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Sure

http://www.handsoffss.org/what-is-the-deficit-commission-why-did-it-recommend-deep-cuts-in-social-security.html

[madokie]

17. Thats bullshit Manny

and you know it

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. What do the words, "THE WHITE HOUSE CONFIRMED.."

mean to you? That it is some 11 dimensional trick?

What a load of excrement.

[brooklynite]

5. I'll repeat my previous question: what are the specifics...

...that warrant a primary challenge?

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Nothing. Nothing at all.

Please return to your daily activities of living.

[myrna minx]

7. It's just morning Hippie punching - the almighty independent voter is

sought after (the excuse used for more radical right wing policies) whereas the liberal vote is an entitlement - otherwise there is much spleen draining if the liberal vote demands results.

[myrna minx]

4. I hope the Dems will be out seducing the almighty "independent" voter with their

wildly unpopular capitulation to the Republicans and the uber wealthy.

[Horse with no Name]

24. too bad the fictional Indy voter agrees with the slovenly liberals on this issue

On this issue--the "moderate centrists" are the nutty fringe.

[vi5]

8. How about those who've just given up?

Obviously a primary candidate isn't going to happen. Obama wields too much power for a primary or liberal third party to be anything other than ridiculously Quixotic. I know that.

So we're not supposed to primary bad candidates because "Oh my, we can't do that we need every Dem to insure a Democratic majority leader".

We're not supposed to criticize or put pressure on before hand because "Oh my, they know best. Let's not rush to judgment or assume what they are going to do before it happens. We have to trust Obama.

We're not supposed to have third party groups run critical ads because "Oh my, that isn't helping. It just gets in the way of the negotiations and gives the other side ammunition."

We're not supposed to complain after he caves and after this stuff goes through because "Oh my, well what was he supposed to do in the face of such rampant obstructionism and well you're not president so you don't understand and you've never run for office and Obama doesn't control the senate or the house and......on and and on and on."

So in short, the position we are supposed to be in is
1) Don't complain or fight before negotiations are done.
2) Don't complain or fight after the shitty deal is cut.
3) Don't primary.
4) Lie back and be happy you're getting fucked by a guy who puts a nicer spin on it than the other guy.


Great. Good times had by all. So no, I'm not advocating a primary. I'm just pretty much accepting that we're fucked and even "our leaders" are fucking us and there's not a goddamn thing any of us can do about it.

[Bluerthanblue]

20. can you show me a thread where ANYONE says "not to put pressure on"

our elected officals to ensure that the safety nets in our society are maintained?

I haven't seen one.

[mitchtv]

25. I think you're in one

right now for all practical purposes

[Bluerthanblue]

26. not from my perspective. Vi5 makes the statement

"We're not supposed to criticize or put pressure on before hand because "Oh my, they know best. Let's not rush to judgment or assume what they are going to do before it happens. We have to trust Obama."

Criticism can be very helpful. But when all it amounts to is faultfinding and making assumptions it's destructive to everyone imo.

I don't see anyone saying not to put pressure on our elected officials. This OP is a bit antagonistic, but it doesn't say do nothing.

:shrug:

[DainBramaged]

9. Insulting call out thread

Shame

[SidDithers]

11. But e-mail activism is so much easier!!..nt

Sid

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[n2doc]

12. Both the NYT and the Washington Post have front page articles on Obama's proposed cuts

You are sounding increasingly desperate to support a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. I sense no hint of "wolf" in Obama.

Sheeplike negotiations? that's his starting point, until he caves.

Leadership like his we need like we needed 4 more years of a Cheney-Bush administration.

[Eddie Haskell]

27. Agreed.

I like the guy, but he may be the last guy I'd ever hire to represent my best interests.

[brooklynite]

18. ...and neither story describes what they are...

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[emilyg]

19. Or we could vote for a person

who best reflects our views.

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[msongs]

16. who here remembers when general consensus was "Obama is unelectable" ? nt

[bemildred]

21. All you really need is enough pissed off citizens.

It's been done before.

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