My bet is that the pukes will get what they want and still crash the economy

[DainBramaged]

fucking assholes.

[ejpoeta]

1. that's what they want. and they want obama and the dems to get the blame.

[CleanGreenFuture]

3. Not only that, they want a new form of slavery for their corporate financiers.

[trueblue2007]

5. I THINK senions and poor will take things into their own hands

and wipe out the gops who are wrecking America

[SolutionisSolidarity]

13. And they'll get that too.

Obama has an out on this. He has the constitutional obligation to ensure our nation pays its debts, which trumps any pathetic law the Senate comes up with. He doesn't have to give them a god damned thing, but he will. This isn't about the Republicans. Anything Obama agrees to he's doing willfully.

[PDJane]

2. That's the plan........

and right after the crash,look for marial law and fascism.

[aquart]

4. Well, I've always felt there was a problem with that.

See, that would need a really strong federal government. And they've starved the beast.

What they will succeed in is breaking the union, having forgotten that the United States is a union.

And all of this will be happening in the middle of climate change. When we need a strong federal government.

Expect a lot of dead Americans.

[blkmusclmachine]

21. Yep, and 9/11 provided the cover

to rewrite the Laws to do just that.

[Bragi]

6. I see no reason to think they wouldn't do that /nt

[Horse with no Name]

7. and the Democrats will take the blame because it happened on their watch.n/t

[Dr Fate]

9. My guess is that the media will actually blame "Liberal Democrats" and "failed liberalism"

Our own party will try to blame liberals for "not supporting the presidents compromises enough" as well.

Look at the midterms- we lost due to failed centrist strategy, yet the media and Obama admin narrative suggested it was the fault of the "professional left" and "socialists" who were supposedly driving Obama too far to the left.

"Centrists" will still control the party and call the shots, even if we lose the presidency or take giant hits in congress or both in 2012. You watch.

[Dr Fate]

8. Pukes and "DEM" centrists both.

It's not just what the GOP wants, it's what conservatives across the board want.

This is not your persepctive, but I reject the notion that the GOP is getting what it wants, but economic centrists in our own party are somehow not getting what they want.

[cascadiance]

10. Let's call these "centrists" "corporatists" to more accurately describe who they are!

They aren't predictable on non-corporate issues, but are SO predictable and are ANYTHING BUT "moderate" or "centrist" when it comes to issues affecting corporate America.

Real "moderates" that are more populist and don't follow the corporatist mantra are pushed out of the party early so that they don't expose the other so-called "moderates" for the corporatists they are. Those would be pols like Paul Hackett. Perhaps in those states that are more right leaning, we the populists out there make sure that any "moderate" Democrats we nominate there are NOT corporate slaves, and broadcast it heavily if they are well before the primaries so that the voters can put in the RIGHT "moderates" to help us take back America from corporate rule!

[Dr Fate]

11. With you 100%. The real moderates are those who oppose off shoring, war waste...

...tax cuts for multinational corps as opposed to breaks for the middle class, real HCR that does not force us to buy from For-profit gougers, etc etc.

These are all moderate, mainstream positions. Continuing to throw money at useless wars, giving tax breaks to the Kochs- these are not truly moderate positions by any stretch.

With you on Hackett too- there was a reason Reid fought so hard to make sure he was not in the nomination process, and it was not b/c he could not have been elected.

[cascadiance]

18. Maybe we could recruit Hackett to come back and lead a new "moderate populist" caucus!

Since I think many of us could identify with what he went through before. We know of how he fought those battles. And he could help make a priority of organizing like-minded people in other states to really get a populist undercurrent in our party, whether we're in more naturally "populist" left leaning districts, or more right leaning districts that are WAITING for a decent populist to lead them on these sorts of issues that corporatist Washington doesn't want to touch. Certainly will be hard for them to get corporate money, but even if I might disagree with some of them on their social issue stances, I'd fund such a caucus to help us all unite behind more universal issues that we are all continually getting screwed by both parties on (as well as by the corporate press, etc. too).

Anyone know what Hackett's doing today? Might he be interested in taking up this challenge? I think now might be his time to get in to Washington to help fill a sorely big void.

And other so-called party "moderates" would feel more pressure to join such a caucus and abide by perhaps some fund raising rules, or rightly get publicly labeled as prioritizing "corporatist" agendas rather than working for their voters.

There are plenty of districts where Blue Dogs got shoved out in 2010, that should be a ripe place for such "moderate populists" to succeed this time around.

[SolutionisSolidarity]

12. Gutting the only functional parts of the government is likely to crash the economy by itself.

When has austerity not harmed a nation in the long run?

[Dr Fate]

14. I think the "3rd Way" goal is for profit based entities to sweep in and fill in the gaps.

See their mandated coporporate insurance plan.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. They just want to destroy Obama...

America be damned!

[Dr Fate]

19. Economic conservatives want to use economic conservatism to destroy other economic conservatives?

Cold be, but Good cop/Bad Cop does mean one cop really wants to "destroy" the other.

[hifiguy]

16. Yep.

As sure as eggs is eggs, that is the game plan.

[Kingofalldems]

17. Never trust a republican---incredibly sneaky and dishonest.

[Dr Fate]

20. Kicking your thread again (Recced it too)

I hope there is no hard feelings concerning my sarcastic posts in your other thread- I was not trying to piss you off, my sense of irony and sarcasm really had no place in your particular thread. Sorry, again.

[lpbk2713]

22. Just as long as the MSM is on their side.

And you can count on that.