Obama IS a child of the Reagan election

[merbex]

there is no doubt about it now

Face it, we elected the wrong man for the times we live in who seems to have a warped sense of history.

FDR left a flippin' blueprint for these times and that blueprint has been maligned, mis-characterized, and ignored.

It's shameful.

If I could have twitted one question to the Twitter Town Hall it would have been: "What was it about Herbert Hoover's policies that so great that we need to resurrect them now, because it seems you are doing that"

[Taverner]

1. Well its not like we had a choice

For the Democratic Ticket there was the kinder gentler Reaganite (Clinton) and Obama, who sounded like a Liberal

Dream on when it comes to Kucinich, and Edwards would have most likely been WORSE

[joeybee12]

3. Clinton, for all her flaws, was a child of the 60's and FDR...

She saw reagan for what he was...hopefully her better nature might have come through now and again, but we'll never know.

[Taverner]

4. Yes, but based on previous behavior

She was a Conservative, DLC Dem

[joeybee12]

14. She didn't start out that way...

In any case, she couldn't have been worse than Obama.

[Taverner]

19. No - she probably wouldn't have been worse

She started out a Goldwater Girl, actually. Of course I'll take Goldwater's Conservatism ANY DAY over the DLC Corporatism and the GOP Insanity.

[truedelphi]

16. Oh Please- the Clintons signed onto some of the worst legislation in modern history

I guess you don't understand the full implications of the 1996 FCC Law that the Clintons were pleased with and that Bill Clinton signed into effect. Once this law became enacted, the "free" media became further consolidated. Now our news is nothing more than propaganda.

The Clintons utilized an unknown guy named Rahm Emanuel to create the legal language for NAFTA. If NAFTA was not the Clintons' baby, they sure adopted it as time went on.

If you think the Clintons are fabulous people, you are overlooking her connection to Sam Walton, and her husband sheparding in NAFTA. (If jobs had not been outsourced, we would have ourselves a great economy. Becazuse the middle class would still have jobs.)

The Clintons were also quite happy to see the Milton Friedman-approved Bank Reform Act of 1999 get passed, with Bill signing it into law.

You need to fully understand what it means to live inside the post-Chicago School World of Economics. I suggest you get a hold of the video "The Shock Doctrine" so you can see what Milton Friedman has wrought. This de-regulated way of life cannot succeed without the absolute destruction of the Middle and Lower classes.

And Obama is fully signed on to playing ball with this group of economic theorists. Which is why he gave the Repuiblicans their tax cuts in December. Which is why he approves of Bernanke and is buddies with Tim geithner. (Geithner works downt he hall from Obnama inside the WH.)

Which is why the wars continue. The Powers that Be need someone like him to give lip service to the idea that we live inside a democracy, but in truth it is an oligarchy.

Hillary Clinton signed off on the Iraq War Resolution, and the Patriot Act. Not once as a Senator did she ever refuse to offer her vote for continued funding of the Wars that have exhausted our Treasury and the lives of our service people.

And she was as pleased as punch when this bankrupt nation of ours gave the Afghanistan drone war and occuptation effort some 33 billion bucks last summer. So how anyone can think she is different or better, I just don't know.

[EC]

18. Clinton was a Goldwater lover

and worked for him.

[Taverner]

20. But - as I mentioned earlier - I will take Goldwater's Conservatism ANY DAY

Over DLC Corporatism and the GOP's Insanity

Today, Goldwater would be seen to the left of Kucinich.

[Erose999]

23. One word (err... acronym): NAFTA.

[merbex]

Everyone keeps forgetting Richardson

He is looking better and better domestically to me

[Retrograde]

9. I still support Richardson

No flash, no glam, but at least he's been around Washington long enough to get how it works. The GOP would be going after him, of course, but I don't think he'd have the perceived reluctance to strike back.

[merbex]

12. +1 n/t

[Big Blue Marble]

2. Maybe we did elect the wrong person.

It was not like the array of candidates offered us any real progressive choices. The Post-Reagan
culture extends far beyond Obama. The country has been force-fed this conservative crap for so
long the majority are still lapping it up as it is taking all us down.

[Taverner]

6. "The Post-Reagan culture extends far beyond Obama"

You got that right...

[somone]

5. Didn't they teach critical thinking at Columbia & Harvard?

[merbex]

7. Guess not anymore, or maybe not since 1980 n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

11. I'm sure they did.

Also greed, calculation, and betrayal.


Everyone: Please stop thinking that Obama is being maneuvered into all this. He's part of it.

[Horse with no Name]

8. Obama was thrust upon us by the M$M and TPTB because he was always going to do their bidding

of course...if he actually told the voters what he was planning on doing, the sheeple couldn't have been swayed to support that, but he got his script...acted all "hopey changey" and the lemmings followed him...over the cliff.

Then, on January 20, 2009, business as usual commenced in Washington.

Just as planned.

[FiveGoodMen]

13. Absolutely! The only explanation still standing.

[merbex]

15. Don't know if he was 'thrust' upon us, but they sure lapped up the

money race amongst the candidates.

Issues?

Shmissues.

[Odin2005]

10. The PTB didn't give us a choice. Real changes doesn't come from on high.

Real change must come from below.

The reason that things have gone so much backwards since the 60s and 70s is because people started thinking politics is about screaming at the government to do what we want rather than actually changing things from below.

[immoderate]

17. Yep. Anybody in office would have been the same.

On the first day, they get a script from TPTB.

The only possible change will come from the streets. But we are so far from the prize. The excellent Wisconsin demos have not gone far enough to have an effect.

--imm

[somone]

21. Yep. People don't change unless there is incentive to change

or threat of punishment.

[craigmatic]

22. It's more complex than that and I think that he's not really conservative

he's more like a pragmatic opportunist. He basically allows congress to run the show and comes in to close the deal. It was true with dems and repigs in power.