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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:14 PM
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Sane or insane the only reason a Democratic Congress person
would be targeted is because of right wing hate speech."Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth." Joseph Goebbels.

Other interpretations of the original German.
If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. // If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. // If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. // If you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes truth. // If you repeat a lie many times, people are bound to start believing it
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:16 PM
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1. you are right. it doesn matter if this person is sick. that is who the hatemonegers reach
that is what we have feared.

not the rational.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:25 PM
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7. It matters a lot to the person who is sick, if he is mentally ill.
That puts much more collective responsibility on the hate talk of the right, of the subtle and sometimes not so subtle incitement to violence. As a result of this people have died this day and one way or the other the shooters life is changed forever.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:16 PM
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2. She called herself a Blue Dog.
Lots of "left wing" people don't like blue dogs.

Personally I don't think that's what motivated this guy, but imho this guy was nuts so his motivation may be murky at best.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:17 PM
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3. that's not factual.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:20 PM
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4. "Just the facts Mam, just the facts." Sargent Friday - Dragnet
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:22 PM
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5. Not necessarily?
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 07:22 PM by Spider Jerusalem
You make an assumption not supported by evidence; the shooter is a delusional psychotic of self-proclaimed anarchistic tendencies. I think it's safe to assume that his madness and his strange political obsessions might just as easily have led him to shoot a Republican member of Congress.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:28 PM
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8. How the heck do you know the shooter is a delusional psychotic?
Are you his Dr.?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:32 PM
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9. Because no-one sane as that term is generally understood would write the things he did?
Here's something from his Youtube channel:

This Student At Pima Community College: An Unconstitutional Crime!
From: Classitup10 | 30 November 2010 | 337 views
Fraud
If I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment then I'm a victim of fraud. I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment. Therefore, I'm a victim of fraud.

All purchases for an educational course in The United States as of now are unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution. A student paying for a Pima Community College course is a purchase for an educational course in the United States as of now. Therefore, a student paying for a Pima Community College course is unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution.

If you're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class then the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. You're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class. Therefore, the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. The grading you purchase from Pima Community College is unconstitutional at tuition.

The United States Department of Education is allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate or the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate. The United States Department of Education isn't allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate. Thus, the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate.

If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. The police remove you from the educational facility for talking. Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. This situation is fraud because the police are unconstitutional!

Every police officer in the United States as of now is unconstitutionally working. Pima Community College police are police in the United States. Therefore, Pima Community College police are unconstitutionally working. The police are unconstitutionally working!

All United States of America's college programs are unconstitutional colleges that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution. Pima Community College is a United States of America's college program. Hence, Pima Community College is an unconstitutional college that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution.

Every Pima Community College class is using free sources for education from the internet. Algebra is a Pima Community College class. Thus, Algebra is a free source for education from the internet. Every Pima Community College class is always a scam!

If you're literate in English grammar then you know English grammar. You don't know English grammar. Thus, you're not literate in English grammar. Most of the teachers and students at Pima Community College are illiterate.

If I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system then I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. Thus, I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. You control the grammar!

Don't be scared to know you can't find the location of a subject: Most students can't locate a subject! Most people know all the subjects are for mind control and brainwash! The students are unconstitutionally paying for free education! The students are attending a torture facility! You know the teachers are con artists?

You now know - every college's unconstitutional crime! You shouldn't pay unconstitutional money for free speech! Don't trust the current government, listener!
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More here: http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

I am not a psychiatrist; however, I've had enough psych courses in school, and read enough on the subject, to be able to recognise classically disordered psychotic rambling when I see it.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:44 PM
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12. Ever heard of Dr. Zeus
“Today you are You, that is truer than true. There is no one alive who is Youer than You.”
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:33 PM
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11. The same poster fought with me over historical assassins.
Somehow there is an intense desperation to make the shooter into a delusional loser that somehow happened upon an attractive woman talking to a crowd and opened fire with an automatic weapon. The hate filled prompters like Palin, Beck, Limbaugh do not remotely come to the posters mind. Don't waste time, you will end up in a circular argument, with your history supported observations being challenged by a supposed expert that offers shit to back up his or her claims.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:49 PM
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13. But, the evidence is that no one in the mass media is constantly advocating shooting
a Republican. I don't know of any images online of Republicans in the cross hairs. An insane person interprets what they experience filtered through their personal biases. A blithering idiot is unlikely to shoot anybody but there are exceptions to every rule.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:59 PM
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14. Yes, the rhetoric "makes it okay" even if the shooter is crazy...

Actually - ESPECIALLY if the shooter is crazy.

The point that some are trying to obscure is very simple - eliminationist rhetoric is not okay.

Politicians and commentators who engage in it should be shunned.

Even if this shooter had no particular "political" motivations, and is "just crazy", all of the crazy people watch TV and listen to the radio too - and some of them think the messages are directed specifically to them.

It is totally irrelevant whether this guy was "just crazy". We should not tolerate a rhetorical atmosphere in which someone who is "just crazy" is going to pick up those special messages that are meant just for him.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:23 PM
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6. That fugging simple
Rec
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 07:32 PM
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10. I disagree. An insane person could have been motivated by almost anything,
The shooter may been motivated my their violent rhetoric, but he also could have been motivated by something even weirder. Giffords may looked into the camera once while on TV, and Loughner could have thought she was looking in his home, snooping around.
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 08:13 PM
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15. So. This was NOT the act of one lone insane individual.
The Sheriff has just confirmed this and said the right wing hate talk needs to stop.
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