It looks like I won't give MoveOn another dime.

[LoZoccolo]

[ThomWV]

1. If you don't mind me asking, how much have you given them in the past?

If they lost me they would lose a guy who had only sent them fifty bucks in the last two years. I haven't got much, I don't send much. But apparently losing you will deal them a great blow. Mind telling us how much?

[LoZoccolo]

3. I don't remember, but probably nothing.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. The rabbinical council announces their boycot of Red Lobster

film at eleven

[Aerows]

40. LMAO

:rofl:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

46. Thanks for my best laugh of the day!!!!

:applause:

[Ignis]

93. Oh man...that coffee is HOT when it hits your nose.

:spray:

[Raine]

36. Bwahahahahaha

you just love kicking shit up doncha. x(

[City Lights]

52. What a shocker!

You are so dramatic!

[Vanje]

86. Recc'd!!!!!

For Teh Funny!

[Whisp]

90. lol.

[Adsos Letter]

5. !

:spray: :rofl: :thumbsup:

[Bluebear]

96. +

[DJ13]

2. Im sure that upsets them no end

[hobbit709]

7. They'll probably lose as much sleep over that as I will.

0=0.

[RandomKoolzip]

4. We really give a shit.

Your one-note diary entries don't always warrant a DU thread of their own, you know.

[arcane1]

6. What happened? n/t

[LoZoccolo]

8. They are encouraging people to threaten not to give to the Obama campaign.

[Big Blue Marble]

10. Exactly what leverage do we use to keep from being sold down the river? N/T

[LoZoccolo]

16. You have consensus-building, then primaries, then elections.

[hobbit709]

22. "Thank you sir, may I have another" is not to my liking.

[LoZoccolo]

23. So what do you propose?

[hobbit709]

26. I'm certainly not going to quietly get screwed.

They will hear about it often and loud. My sig line says how I feel about blind obedience.
I will vote D but it may be difficult to push the buttons on the machine while holding my nose and holding a barf bag in the other hand.

[LoZoccolo]

27. So you'd rather yell and scream than actually replace the Democrats who are running?

[arcane1]

31. In order to replace a Dem who is actually running...

the first thing one would do is to NOT donate to their campaign.

[LoZoccolo]

34. So you would donate to any candidate in the general election?

[arcane1]

38. I would donate to the candidate whom I would want to win, yes

[hobbit709]

32. If I'm not happy with the d's running, they will hear about it.

All the people in the primaries that I supported got little or no support at the state and national party level. The system is rigged but it's the only game in town.

[LoZoccolo]

33. My point is that what I'm proposing is less docile than what you are proposing.

[tabbycat31]

59. get involved at the local level

In my state, the nominees at all levels are decided at county level conventions (before the primary-- occasionally you have a rogue primary challenger but it's the exception to the rule). Local elected offices are also considered a farm system for larger races. Last year the GOP challenger (tea party nutjob) to my congressman was a mayor of a small town. If you don't like who is running in your municipality, consider running yourself.

All politics is local. Your elected officials also work for YOU and whether you agree or disagree with them, you have the right to contact their office and let your opinion be heard.

I don't agree with the president 100% but I still support him (disclaimer-- I work on Democratic campaigns for a living and have to be prepared to work for anyone with a D next to their name. Last year I worked on a Blue Dog congressman's race where he barely pulled it off. Did I agree with him 100? No, but he was a lot better than his opponent who would have voted with House Democrats 0% of the time).

[Vanje]

89. Is there a Democrat running?

nt

[Big Blue Marble]

28. How's that process working for you? N/T

[LoZoccolo]

29. We now have universal health care and a host of other Obama accomplishments.

[Big Blue Marble]

37. Actually, we do not have universal health care.

Maybe we have an marginal improvement in the current system and maybe not. It is far too soon to understand
all the unintended consequences of the law. I do know that the health care system in this country remains a
run away train that will take us all down sooner or later, one way or another. An this law did little or nothing,
to stop that train.

The host of other accomplishments......sorry I may have missed these. I got hung up on the extra-judiciary killing thing.

[LoZoccolo]

39. How did Nader's revolt in 2000 or the alleged progressive revolt in 2010 work out?

[Aerows]

47. 2012 won't be any better than 2010

If they screw with Social Security and Medicare. It will be a hell of a lot worse, so you probably should be writing to your Senators and Representatives and the WH if you really care and tell them to stop fucking up the Democratic parties chances in 2012 by supporting bad policies.

[LoZoccolo]

56. So maybe the revolting people will get it all taken away completely.

[Aerows]

64. Without a "revolt"

It will anyway. You don't get represented by continuing to vote for people who don't vote in your best interests. That just sends the message that it doesn't matter, and they might as well just get on board with Republicans and take the path of least resistance.

That's the entire problem here.

[LoZoccolo]

65. When have conservatives revolted in the past 40 years while they were establishing a movement?

[Aerows]

68. The Tea Party

There have been other instances when Republicans have pitched candidates out of office because their voters got angry over certain issues. Look at "Read my lips, no new taxes". We see what happened there.

That's what happens when you screw over the people that vote for you.

[LoZoccolo]

73. They worked within the process and did not splinter into a third party.

[Aerows]

83. Call it what you like

But they helped Democrats gain or keep seats because of O'Donnell and Angle. George Bush also got canned because he upset the people that voted for him.

That's the process. If Democrats don't act like Democrats, Democrats will work within the process to make sure that those that don't do what they are supposed to do are no longer in office. It's really simple, and doesn't require a third party.

It requires the hard core Obama supporters to start speaking up and saying you are going too far, along with everyone else that is a Democrat.

[Big Blue Marble]

49. What is your evidence of a 'progressive revolt" in 10?

I, personally, voted a straight Dem ticket in a Blue Dog district.

As to how things are working out? Well, I see that the Democratic Party has positioned itself to the right of
the Nixon Republicans. How is that working out for you and yours?

[LoZoccolo]

55. I don't really believe there was one, but some people took the opportunity to claim one.

[Name removed]

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[EOTE]

53. LMAO. That, right there, tells me how informed you are on the issue.

If only we had universal health care. Let me drop a little knowledge on you. Being forced to pay for something that you can't afford to utilize is not the same thing as universal health care. That's almost like me calling myself a Theoretical Physicist because of those shows I watch on the Science Channel.

[bowens43]

69. Are you kidding?!?

We do NOT have universal health care. Not even close.

What other accomplishments? Continuing bushes wars and starting one of his own?

All but guaranteeing that the temporary tax cuts for millionaires become permanent?

Siding with republicans over democrats on issue after issue?


With accomplishments like those who needs failures?

[PassingFair]

76. Universal Health Care...with 59 MILLION un-insured? You've gone off your rocker.

You really have.

Get a grip.

[City Lights]

88. When did we get universal health care?

I suggest you use that dime you're saving to buy yourself a clue.

[EOTE]

92. Right after Obama ended the wars and told the feds to back off Medical Marijuana dispensaries.

What? You were expecting something other than rhetoric? You can lift your head up, though. While Obama may reserve his best actions for republicans, we get all the best lip service.

[Ignis]

94. Those words do not mean what you think they mean.

[Aerows]

41. There has been consensus building

The consensus is that cuts to Social Security and Medicare is a horrible idea, people don't like it and won't vote for politicians who cut Social Security and Medicare.

There's your consensus-building.

[LoZoccolo]

44. Convervatives spent 40 years building a movement strong enough to get these cuts made.

[Aerows]

48. And Democrats are climbing on board

so I guess they aren't Democrats anymore.

It's more than just Democrats that dislike this - it's Independents and Moderates, too. Anybody on either side that supports Medicare and Social Security cuts may as well take up a donation for a box of bullets because they will need them for shooting themselves squarely in the foot politically.

[LoZoccolo]

57. I guess it's time to build a liberal establishment rather than weakening what we have, then.

[Aerows]

61. There's the problem

Continuing to vote in Republicans with a D behind their name doesn't do a damn thing for advancing Democratic policy (to say nothing of a liberal one!) - it advances Republican policy.

[LoZoccolo]

62. Every Democratic legislator has a significant partisan voting record.

[Aerows]

66. The hell they do

Oh, they might go with the flow on the little things, but the things that are huge, and that matter, they don't. See Mary Landrieu. She's the first one that popped into my head because she's the senator next door in Louisiana. Nothing I care about has she been on board with. Were I still a resident in Louisiana, I would support someone else that wasn't a Republican or a Democrat that acts like a Republican.

[LoZoccolo]

74. Surely you could produce a counterexample?

[Aerows]

84. What do you mean?

I offered up Mary Landrieu. What do you want, me to name someone I'd support instead of her? I don't live in Louisiana anymore, so no, I can't say who I would support, but I'm sure it would be someone besides her or another Republican (or Republican-acting Democrat).

Blanche Lincoln got kicked to the curb because of her BS, too. I would have supported her challenger had I lived in Arkansas. Dems lost a seat because of her antics.

[xphile]

75. AGAINST democratic principles. n/t

[LoZoccolo]

78. You know what I meant by that because I have already explained it to you.

[xphile]

80. Your explanation was as wrong as your other posts. So what? n/t

[LoZoccolo]

81. Surely you could provide a counterexample?

[xphile]

82. The former Senator for Walmart Blanche Lincoln. n/t

[Aerows]

87. And she got primaried

and cost the Dems a Senate seat with her antics during the health care debate and on other issues. That's why you don't keep Dems around that act like Republicans, because Dems stop voting for them and they lose their seat.

She should have just said she was a Republican and been done with it, because she voted with Republicans most of the time.

[xphile]

91. Exactly.

I brought her up because someone was demanding a counterexample.

The former Senator for Walmart voted with the Republicans most of the time, her replacement with a Republican doesn't change anything vis a vis the Senate.

[tekisui]

15. Good! In that case I will donate to them.

[arcane1]

17. In their defense...

Obama did say, once elected, that it's up to us to keep the pressure on him to do the things he was elected to do. Threatening to deny him campaign cash is one way to put the pressure on.

Indeed, in this money-driven political paradigm we live in, it's the only thing politicians listen to.

[LoZoccolo]

19. I am keeping the pressure on MoveOn.

[Name removed]

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[PassingFair]

21. Yes, apparently we peons must MAKE Obama do the right thing.This is one way of getting his attention

I will continue to donate to, and work with MoveOn.

[DesertFlower]

18. here's a link.

http://front.moveon.org/a-facebook-status-obama-needs-to-see/#.ThYM5zGxY0g.facebook

[Taverner]

42. I'm not donating to Obama this time around

Does that make me bad?

I figure with the donations he will get from the banks, big pharm, defense contractors and the tech industry, my money isn't wanted or needed.

[bowens43]

67. Can't blame them there

I'm sure as hell not giving that psudo Democrat a single penny.

I gave time and money in 2008. 2012 not a penny and not a minute.......

In fact if moveon is encouraging people not to give to Obama's campaign I may give them my money instead.

[Dept of Beer]

72. Freedom of chioch in a Democracy is such a beeyatch.

[Erose999]

95. I'll not give him a dime. Myself and many other Dems have made that decision months ago. Move on is

late to the party.

[Marr]

9. If you don't care about Social Security, why are you here?

Does your daddy get government contracts or something?

[LoZoccolo]

12. I do care about Social Security.

[MouseFitzgerald]

11. What? Why?

Because they are telling the president not to cut SS and medicare?

[LoZoccolo]

14. No, not that.

[tekisui]

13. So?

[Bluenorthwest]

20. To give another, you'd have to have given at least one prior

dime, and I do not believe you ever did to be blunt about it. Unless you are a former donor, your post is misleading and thus, not really honest. Please note, almost everyone on DU did in fact donate to the man who is now President.

[Aerows]

85. And voted for him

and many volunteered in his campaign. And once again, he's going against Democratic principles, which means he's not really a Democrat because his policies align with Republicans. I voted for him because I wanted a Democrat, not a Republican.

[Wait Wut]

25. I stopped donating two years ago.

I now donate to individual candidates and my local party (not YOU AZ Democratic Party! You suck!!!).

[Iggo]

30. Oh, is THAT what it looks like!!!!

Huh.

[spanone]

35. because.......

[mmonk]

43. That's fine. I'm not giving the DNC another dime. They have their corporate lords

for that. And MoveOn? I'll give them more than a dime. The war is no longer Democrats and Republicans. It's the corporations vs the people and the people have no power or representation. Thus my money to MoveOn.

[LoZoccolo]

45. Will you then be outraged that they pull the strings?

[City Lights]

50. Bully for you.

Edited to add: Unrec.

[Webster Green]

51. I'll send them enough for both of us. Not to worry.

You're welcome! :patriot:

Oh...unrec.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

54. I'm sure they will be crushed. Without your ongoing support

the organization will certainly wither into dust.

[lpbk2713]

58. Do you know how far a dime goes these days?

I really don't think they will miss it. :eyes:

[JonLP24]

60. I never gave a dime myself

not because I have a problem with their advocacy, I just rather donate to organizations such as the ACLU. Plus I have a lack of money. It took me two weeks to come up with the extra money to donate to DU.

[Cleita]

63. If you've never given them a dime, I'm sure you

won't be missed.

[Dept of Beer]

71. I'm sure they're all broken up and besides themselves over that.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

79. I'm sure they are in panic mode because of it.

:eyes: