Does it bug you that...

[SDuderstadt]

Obama has to "negotiate" with the GOP?

Hint: This is what happens when PEOPLE DON'T VOTE!

I'm not accusing anyone here of not voting in the 2010 election, irrespective of their "bugged" status.

[Horse with no Name]

1. Oh please

the 2010 elections had nothing to do with his capitulation to them in 2008. He almost broke his fucking neck trying to bend over backwards to kiss bipartisan ass.

Next? :eyes:

[SDuderstadt]

2. Maybe you could learn how to play...

poker.

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[Joe the Revelator]

5. So those whom disagree with you are paid shills?

Classy.

[SDuderstadt]

8. I'm actually on...

the barter system.

[MilesColtrane]

55. How many posts per chicken is the not-DLC paying these days?

I need to get in on some of that sweet, sweet poultry!

[SDuderstadt]

56. I'm only up to...

squabs.

I work directly for the Iluminati. TPTB are looking at acquiring me, though.

The bastards make you pay a dowry, but the bennies are great and the pay is okay.

[MilesColtrane]

65. The Illuminati drive a hard bargain.

I would think they'd settle for no less than a good prospect from the farm system and a low first round pick for you.

[SDuderstadt]

66. Wanna be my agent?

I have fired over 289 so far.

It might have something to do with the messy logistics of giving them 15% of a squab.

[MilesColtrane]

67. So...just dark meat, hunh?

No thanks.

"SHOW ME THE MCNUGGETS!"

[SDuderstadt]

77. How about...

Cornish game hens?

[dionysus]

31. why SDuderstadt, maybe poker's just not their game. i know. how about a spelling contest?

(jesus you tossed that one over the plate)

:rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

34. Why, dionysus!

You madcap! Where you going with that poker table?

[dionysus]

37. you tell that poker table i'm comin!! you tell em the law's comin! and hell's comin with me!!!11!11!

[SDuderstadt]

38. Why, dionysus!

I'm sorry. I forgot you were there. You may go now.

Leave the poker table.

[dionysus]

43. SDuderstadt, you're not wearing a bustle. how lewd.

:hi:

[SDuderstadt]

75. I believe that you...

just might be the anti-christ.

[dbonds]

68. Poker?, I think the game might be called Snooker.

[Liberal Veteran]

10. I'm not going to fault Obama for trying to bring sanity back to Washington.

I have to admit as much as I despise republicans, even I was taken aback by their unwillingness to work as a team for the good of this country.

At this point, I'm pretty well convinced they would shit on the original Constitution, tie a rubber band around it, light it on fire, and ring the White House doorbell and run away and then scream "LOOK! THE EVIL BLACK GUY IS STOMPING ON THE CONSTITUTION!!!!"

[deutsey]

78. After 8 years of Bush's "my way or the highway" bullshit,

I supported Obama's attempt to negotiate at first, even as I personally felt lukewarm toward him and those in his inner circle.

But then, as it always happens, it just seemed as though the GOP deceived and led him on and he just kept going along with their ruses as they unleashed their anti-health reform shenanigans.

I wish at some point Obama would have said something like:

"We have negotiated with the other side in good faith but it's obvious that they have chosen to use tactics of obstruction and distraction while millions of Americans are in danger of losing their homes, their jobs, their access to the American dream. I and the Democratic members of Congress are now going to move forward to do the serious work that the overwhelming marjority of Americans elected us to do."

That's just off the top of my head; I'm sure some highly paid WH speechwriter could come up with a rhetorically spiffier version.

[Wait Wut]

79. HA!!!

That was awesome! And, you are correct.

[leftstreet]

3. This is what happens when Democratic politicians BLOW their majority

The Obama Admin and the Dems had 2 years

[Horse with no Name]

7. but but but but

he only had a mandate and political capital out of the ass but he didn't have a sooperdooperpooper majority...so it couldn't have been his fault that he didn't get anything done. And besides...he couldn't end up hurting their widdle feelings, could he?

[leftstreet]

13. We need 250% majority of 600 votes - everyone knows that!

:-)

[SDuderstadt]

17. Another silly...

strawman.

[leftstreet]

21. Why do you always say 'strawMAN?' That seems sexist

:P

[SDuderstadt]

24. Blame the people that...

selected that as the label for the fallacy.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. We'll just ignore the fact that Reid didn't do his job in this.

Let's be real honest here, President Obama got knifed in the back more than once by his "majority" in the senate.

To say otherwise is ignoring reality.

[SDuderstadt]

20. I would rather Russ Feingold was...

ML, but he got defeated in the general.

[Liberal Veteran]

28. No argument here. By not slapping down the likes of Nelson and Baucus, Reid...

....essentially pissed a lot our momentum down the proverbial toilet.

[SDuderstadt]

33. If you've ever read any of Robert Caro's masterful books on LBJ...

It becomes clear that LBJ was a brutal, but effective ML.

[dionysus]

40. as much as blame can be cast at obama, i'd like to for once see people admit

that our "60" included 5 or 6 blue dogs plus lieberman, any of whom went to the press saying they'd fillibuster dem bills like the health care deal.

harry reid was supposed to keep that shit in check. at least spread the blame around. obama shouldn't have had to have been president, the majority leader, speaker, and whip at the same time. come on. for all the "messiah" bullshit that got thrown around, it's like the people slinging it came to believe it.

when we have a systemic problem and people focus all the blame on one person they're predispositioned to bear all the blame on, and ignore everything else, it's crap.

[leftstreet]

48. Obama had the political capital to twist ANY arm in DC

One press conference from him could have destroyed ANY politician's future chances with the voters

[dionysus]

51. do you really think a DC press conference would have gotten a blue dog from a state that voted for

mccain booted? really?

[leftstreet]

53. Obama could have boiled kittens on live TV

Getting voters to turn on a pol would have been a walk in the park

Not now though

[dionysus]

59. that's where we beg to differ i suppose.

[Solomon]

76. LOL You're talking about Bush after 9-11. Not Obama.

Obama never had it like that. "i want him to fail" right from the getgo.

I guess if you can forget about Blue dogs, you can forget that too.

[RZM]

12. It beats blowing the lobbyists like they usually do . . .

:)

[LoZoccolo]

15. The neocon movement has taken forty years to even start chipping away at Social Security. n/t

[leftstreet]

23. They waited forty years for Obama?

wait..what?

[LoZoccolo]

35. The major think tanks started in the seventies.

They've been slowly making progress on turning a "third rail" into their next conquest. These things take work, time, a willingness to take what you can get at any given motment along the way, strategy, and a sustained propaganda effort. There has been a liberal resurgence since 2003 that's largely done little to work its way beyond a certain core constituency on the Internet, and is now engaged in infighting over progress versus perfection. We've blown about eight years.

In the 40 years that the neocon movement has been building, there has never been a streak as self-destructive as we're seeing now, not even the Tea Party.

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[LoZoccolo]

36. I am against cuts to Social Security. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

49. Then why do you support the Third Way dems, and Obama's

commission which want to cut Social Security?

[LoZoccolo]

54. I think different members of the commission disagree with each other, don't they?

How could I support all of them at once?

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[LoZoccolo]

71. I think you'd get more out of the conversation if you focused on issues rather than

be distracted by the task of insulting me.

[Tx4obama]

32. No, the dems did not have a real majority in the senate for 2 years, we had only 49 days.

Al Franken was not sworn in until July 2009 and Teddy Kennedy died in August 2009.

We had 60 votes in the Senate for only 49 days.

And as we all know, in order for the dems to get anything passed in the Senate we need 60 votes to break filibusters in order to invoke cloture.

[Fearless]

82. We should have let them filibuster every fucking bill then... showing the nation what the rethugs..

Really are instead of appearing weak and useless for two years going on four.


Edit: Sp

[Fearless]

81. +10000

[Sarah Ibarruri]

6. I don't think he should negotiate with the Repukes, but I do think 8 years of GW Bush

and lots of centrist thinking in this country has brought us to the very sad present.

[SDuderstadt]

11. Do the math in the...

House.

[LoZoccolo]

9. Here are "progressives" on the Huffington Post gloating over Democratic losses in 2010.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/03/blue-dog-coalition-gop-wave-elections_n_778087.html

[SDuderstadt]

14. Yep...

that worked, huh...

[LoZoccolo]

22. They're going to try it again too.

They have no idea how they're going to get what they want from it. Ask them and they'll give you their next move and nothing beyond it.

[joshcryer]

70. They claim that it's "proof" that "progressive candidates" win.

That is, the "blue dogs" were "too right wing" and the ... progressives voted for the even more right wing? It's really a dumb argument to be sure.

[uponit7771]

18. Yeap, they were VERY happy dems lost in 2010

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[LoZoccolo]

39. Read the comments. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. Does it bug you that people don't vote?

That's what happens when you capitulate to the GOP.

“Whenever a fellow tells me he's bipartisan I know he's going to vote against me”
Harry S Truman

[SDuderstadt]

27. Ummm...

would you like a link to math literacy and strategy websites?

[hulka38]

26. The fault for what has happened to the Democratic Party

lies overwhelmingly at the feet of its leaders.

[SDuderstadt]

29. Why don't you lay that out for us?

Specifics, not generalities, please.

[hulka38]

72. The last 2.5 years shouldn't require a detailed explanation.

Get a clue.

[SDuderstadt]

73. You're...

"begging the question", dude.

[Marr]

41. No, it bugs me that he uses right-wing frames and arguments himself.

His "negotiations" with the GOP are matters of speed, not direction.

[SDuderstadt]

45. Self-delete...

A swing and a miss on my part.

My abject apologies.

[Marr]

What are you talking about?

Did you mean to respond to someone else?

[SDuderstadt]

42. Night all...

I am sick as a dog in a strdange hotel I have never stayed in in a town I have never visited.

dionysus! Proceed, suh!

[erodriguez]

44. Bullshit. I vote. I voted for obama. I voted for my senators , representatives etc.

This happens when those you vote for (the pres) listen to those who have mney instead of average folk.

[SDuderstadt]

46. If you voted...

I wasn't even addressing you. Read the OP again.

[dionysus]

47. pure as the driven snow, i am sure...

[SDuderstadt]

50. Gotta go!

My TB is acting up.

I think I need to go challenge Johnny Ringo.

[dionysus]

52. i hope the strain... isn't more than you could bear....

[SDuderstadt]

58. I am taking a strainer...

nickel-plated and concealable, of course.

[erodriguez]

57. Who are you addressing then?

People who dont vote? This is the DU. id bet 95% voted in 08 and 10 here.


The fact is that we CONTROL the senate and the whitehouse.

The POTUS doesn't give a fuck. He and other "Democrats" are spaouting Bullshit republican talking points, and are about to fck over 90% of American citizens.

[SDuderstadt]

60. Did I say anything about DU?

Hint: no.

The tea leaf reading class is down that hallway.

[erodriguez]

61. Preaching to the choir then.

[SDuderstadt]

62. It's my OP!

I work on getting people to vote. How about you?

[erodriguez]

63. News flash! regardless of your work, it is not working.

Stop blaming people who dont vote and start pushing the peopel we do elet to do the right thg.

[SDuderstadt]

64. Yeah...

The Dems in Congress can just do whatever they want and ignore the opposition party.

[RaleighNCDUer]

80. People will come back and support a politician who fights and loses.

They will walk away from a poliltician who refuses to fight.

The Governor here objected to big chunks of the Republican legislature's budget. They passed it. She vetoed it. They overrode her veto.

She's guaranteed my vote next time around.

Had she not made that attempt at a fight, not vetoed the budget, the result might have been the same, but she would not be worth my vote next time.

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
W B Yeats

That pretty much defines the national party.

I'm not wasting my time with those who lack all conviction.

[TheKentuckian]

74. Or when people do. Obama was and is a fool for legitimizing the TeaPubliKlans

and pretending their failed ideology is anything but dangerous and foolish nonsense and a pack of lies.

Bipartisanship is either weapons grade stupid, cover for collusion, dangerously naive, or a nefarious plot.

[Bonobo]

83. Simplistic post reeking of reductionist faulty logic.