QUIZ: When SS & Medicare BENEFITS are NOT cut by Obama will people say they were wrong?

[uponit7771]

A. Naw

B. Hell naw

C. Hell fuck naw

D. Other (like, well the M$M said...)

Your take?

Regards

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. You mean his putting them on the table was all a figment of our imagination? nt

[uponit7771]

7. Link and quote OBAMA saying CUTTING SS or medicare BENFITS is on the table.

[Fearless]

2. Please clarify your question.

Who are these people (the media? citizens?) And who is they that are wrong on this issue in this scenario? Also the poll responses are biased, but I'm sure you know that.

[uponit7771]

8. The people who said there will be BENIFIT cuts

[Fearless]

12. What will you say if there are benefit cuts?

[uponit7771]

13. ...if OBAMA approves of them then I'll say he's fuckin stupid. There's been NO indication that he's

...approving of ANY benefit cuts just some shit written in a paper that for some reason 99% of DU believes cause or M$M has been so accurate and reliable in the past.

[Fearless]

42. If 99% of DU says something I tend to believe it.

[sabrina 1]

35. Is raising the retirement age on the table? According to CNN

today, it is. So, has the president denied that?

And a question for those who are claiming SS is not on the table. If it happens, will THEY admit they were wrong, or will they try to justify it somehow?

I'm guessing they will justify it. That is what happened after the Offshore drilling ban was lifted. People turned right around and tried to defend it, until 18 days later when the president's claim that rigs 'today are much safer' was proven to be fatally false.

[uponit7771]

36. You didn't just quote CNN...did you? I'm I one of only 23 people who think our M$M is stupid?!

...and Obama didn't deny he flicked cow shit either..

[Fearless]

43. Everything is stupid that you don't agree with... DUers included.

[sabrina 1]

44. No one asked him about cow shit. He has been asked, repeatedly

about SS and why he is even allowing it to be discussed in any debate about the deficit.

I'm sure if someone did ask him if he flicked cow shit, he would not hesitate to say 'no'.

But for some reason he cannot give a straight answer on SS.

[ClassWarrior]

3. Or vice versa. People don't like to be proven wrong. On either side of any debate.

:shrug:

So what's your point?

NGU.

[uponit7771]

10. Not true, there are people who like to learn from mistakes and change their minds based on facts

[ClassWarrior]

15. Oh, and they all just happen to be on your side, right?

:eyes:

NGU.

[uponit7771]

19. no

[ClassWarrior]

25. Then I repeat: What's your point?

NGU.

[uponit7771]

28. Bashers are assholes is just one of my points

[ClassWarrior]

39. Ahhh. Good thing calling someone an asshole isn't "bashing."

:rofl:

NGU.

[CakeGrrl]

4. All of the above.

I predict a massive infestation of crickets the likes of which have never been seen.

[Divine Discontent]

5. none of us have any idea what will eventually come of this, however, to idly sit by & not let them

hear us, is not being proactive when there is great talk about "shared sacrifice" going on. The working poor suffer enough as it is, nothing additional needs to be dropped on the working class like Senator Hatch disgustingly implied.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact

[checks-n-balances]

6. What's it to ya?

:eyes:

[RaleighNCDUer]

9. I'm sure the pessimists will be just as wrong on this as they were on

healthcare reform
closing gitmo
medical marijuana
transparency
war in Pakistan/Libya/Yemen
ending Bush tax cuts
repealing Patriot Act

[uponit7771]

11. Nah, those "pessimists" put their energy into getting a more progressive congress :rolleyes:

[EFerrari]

14. The Progressive Caucus did fine last round. Better than the rest

of the Democrats. :)

[uponit7771]

18. True, There was only one lost there...there's little fight in getting progressives to congress by...

...those who constantly complain about the president

[EFerrari]

30. Well, nope. 2010 results disagree with you. n/t

[ClassWarrior]

21. They always do. When are the others gonna listen to Lakoff?

:hi:

No Center, No Centrists
George Lakoff
Posted: August 14, 2007 03:24 PM

"Centrism" is the creation of an inaccurate self-serving metaphor, and it is time to bury it.

There is no left to right linear spectrum in the American political life. There are two systems of values and modes of thought -- call them progressive and conservative (or nurturant and strict, as I have). There are total progressives, who use a progressive mode of thought on all issues. And total conservatives. And there are lots of folks who are what I've called "biconceptuals": progressive on certain issue areas and conservative on others. But they don't form a linear scale. They are all over the place: progressive on domestic policy, conservative on foreign policy; conservative on economic policy, progressive on foreign policy and social issues; conservative on religion, but progressive on social issues and foreign policy; and on and on. No linear scale. No single set of values defining a "center." Indeed many of such folks are not moderate in their views; they can be quite passionate about both their progressive and conservative views...

I am a cognitive scientist and believe that people's brains play a significant role in elections. From the perspective of brain science, the answer is a no-brainer. (Sorry, I couldn't resist!) You speak to biconceptuals the same way you speak to your base: you discuss progressive values, and if you are talking to folks with both progressive and conservative values, you mainly talk about the issues where they share progressive values. What that does is evoke and strengthen the progressive values already there in the minds of biconceptuals...

The losing strategy is to move to the right, to assume with Republicans that American values are mainly conservative and that the Democratic party has to move away from its base and adopt conservative values. When you do that, you help activate conservative values in people's brains (thus helping the other side), you offend your base (thus hurting yourself), and you give the impression that you are expressing no consistent set of values, which is true! Why should the American people trust somebody who does not have clear values, and who may be trying to deceive them about the values he and his party's base hold?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/george-lakoff/no-center-no-centrists_b_60419.html

NGU.

[EFerrari]

34. And give up show business?!

lol

:hi:

[ClassWarrior]

40. "All right, Mr. DeMille..."

"...I'm ready for my close-up."

:rofl:

NGU.

[madfloridian]

16. They are already cutting them with the payroll tax cut.

It will lower the amount available for seniors.

[uponit7771]

20. Link and quote, thx

[madfloridian]

24. Ok, I will do your work for you.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/7793

Several sources included there.

More:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/7138

Several sources there as well.

More sources:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/7166

Several links included to reliable sources.

I could go on, but I hate it when people demand that I prove something that has been proven over and over again.

Go right ahead, let the people here call us whiners when we try to stand up for tradtional Democratic values.

Go ahead, keep it up. Protect Obama when he doing harm to the safety nets and to education.

[uponit7771]

29. None of those links point to SS benefits being CUT, do you have any other source to back up the

...claim that SS benefits are going to be CUT

[madfloridian]

37. Yes. there are links that point to that.

It is already starting. Read it or not. There are a couple more included here.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/7814

They are cutting benefits already as we speak, but they are calling it something else.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. The link is in your damn paycheck. The SS tax was reduced

by 2%, months ago.

If SS is in danger of bankruptcy, WHY reduce the amount being paid into it?

And what kind of 'quote' are you looking for?

[uponit7771]

33. Please link and quote BENEFITS being cut, yes...you can cut cost and increase benefits...

[LiberalAndProud]

17. We'll likely have an argument over what constitutes cuts.

If Social Security and Medicare benefits remain unchanged, I'll say I was wrong. If they don't, will you?

No, you'll tell me we didn't get cuts, we'll only be cutting future increases. So little less we won't even notice. Put that block of cheese back granny. You can't afford it.

And when I hear that argument from Democrats, I know we've turned the full corner. That was Rush's dissertation when Clinton was President. I'll bet I might even be able to find a transcript to prove that point.

[uponit7771]

23. If the BENEFITS are cut then I'll say the DNC is done and through, if BENEFITS are not cut then I...

...TRULY doubt the consummate Obama bashers will say they were wrong.

Now if COST are cut and benefits remain practically the same then that's different...

Cutting SS and MC benefits is stupid and I haven't heard Obama mention that AT ALL.

This sounds like a FUDr campaign if I've ever seen one...some right wing rag post something that's not true and spreads the big lie fast and hard to defuse the Ryan plan.

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. How about the cut in funding of SS that has already happened?

Which way do you count that?

[uponit7771]

32. Cut in funding doesn't NOT equal cut in benefits, I lowered my car insurance payment and GAINED...

...coverage

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. You gotta learn to look beyond the next quarter -

reduce the funding, the money runs out sooner. When the money runs out, benefits are CUT.

Do you really not understand the concept of cause and effect?

[uponit7771]

45. I understand cause and affect, I don't trust your analysis that benefits WILL be cut

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. If you reduce the funding, the benefits HAVE to be cut.

What else do you do when you run out of money?

[Safetykitten]

22. We the believers in the cuts will not apologize...we will not be wrong.

The cuts will be made.

[bemildred]

31. I don' t pretend to know the future, so I don't see how I'd be "wrong" about it. nt

[freshwest]

41. D. But the most vulnerable are being cut now. No wait needed.

[Raine]

47. What will those who say they won't be cut when they ARE

will they say they were wrong?

"A. Naw

B. Hell naw

C. Hell fuck naw

D. Other (like, well the M$M said...)

Your take?"

[lamp_shade]

48. They'll disappear as they always do when they smell the crow cooking.

[bowens43]

49. the true believers are out in force today.

How many times does Obama have to smack you over the head before you realize they're not love taps?

[Recovered Repug]

50. A cynic might say that is the "plan."

Step 1: Put SS & medicare "on the table".

Step 2: Cause a big uproar in the base because of step 1.

Step 3: Announce "the deal" in which SS & medicare are left alone.

Step 4: Relief throughout the base that SS & medicare are "saved" that little attention is paid to what is cut.