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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:06 PM
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Whitehouse, Sanders: “Disconnect Between Administration and the Senate” - FDL
Whitehouse, Sanders: “Disconnect Between Administration and the Senate”
By: David Dayen - FDL
Friday July 8, 2011 9:35 am

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Senators Bernie Sanders and Sheldon Whitehouse just held a conference call on the proposed Social Security cuts in the debt limit talks. And the takeaway was to inform the White House that they shouldn’t assume that Democrats will simply follow whatever deal they make, particularly if it includes cuts to the safety net.

“There’s been very little conversation between the Senate and the White House on this,” said Whitehouse, who acknowledged that most of his information about the proposal came from reading the papers. “They are making a grievous mistake if they assume that, because we’re Democrats, we’ll go along with what they’ve capitulated to.”

Sanders agreed. “I have heard, including from people that you might not expect, that if they bring a deal that comes down hard on the most vulnerable members of society, and they expect us to pass it, they have another thing coming.” He added, “The Democratic caucus will not willy-nilly follow the President.”

Now there are going to be plenty of people, including the proprietor of this website, inclined not to believe a word of this. I’m not blind to this point. I think all members should hear from their constituents on this issue no matter what they say in public. But this did sound a bit different. I don’t know that Whitehouse and Sanders would be needed for votes on a deal like this, so they can speak a little more freely. What is interesting is the intimation from Sanders that members who the Administration would have to count on would oppose this deal as well. And there’s the frustration over the total lack of communication on the issue.

What Sanders and Whitehouse did know is that chained CPI, the main item up for discussion in the talks, is a benefit cut. The Social Security actuary estimates that, under this new calculation for the cost of living adjustment, an average beneficiary who enters Social Security at age 65 would lose $500 a year at age 75, and $1,000 a year at age 85. “People in Washington may not know that there are Americans trying to get by on $13-$14,000 a year,” Sanders said. “For someone who is struggling, $1,000 a year is a hell of a lot of money. What we know is that the current COLA is inadequate because it doesn’t place as much emphasis on health care and prescription drugs,” the main cost drivers for seniors.

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More: http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/07/08/whitehouse-sanders-disconnect-between-administration-and-the-senate/

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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:12 PM
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1. And our Reid
blowing in the profiteering wind?
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:13 PM
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2. AAUGH! FDL!! My eyes, my eyes!
j/k
k&r
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:16 PM
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3. FDL. LOL...nt
Sid
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:26 PM
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4. This always happens...
...in coalition governments. Whitehouse and Sanders don't belong to the same party as Nelson and Baucus.

They have the same label after their name, but they don't belong to the same party. And that confuses people.

There are at least three parties in the Senate, from which a governing coalition from time to time is cobbled together.

There are:

1. the Democratic senators who are Democrats,
2. the Democratic senators who are Republicans
3. the Republican senators who are Republicans.

(There used to be Republican Senators who are Democrats — Javits, Brooke, Hatfield, Chaffee, Cohen Jeffords; Snowe ten years ago — but they’re extinct.)

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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:30 PM
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9. Number 2, these are the 1990's New Democrats for Clinton that scared the
hell out of many of us Old Democrats.

New Democrat Movement
GROUP

The right wing current of the Democratic party, characterized by its neoliberal economic policies, support of Israel, desire to increase defense spending, and links to heavy donors and fundraisers.

Believes that "left-wing" positions are not politically viable. Describes itself as "moderate and pro-growth". Probably responsible for erosion of the Democratic Party's historical labor and minority base due to support of treaties like NAFTA, lack of support for affirmative action and poverty programs, and their siphoning away of campaign funds from minority groups.

At the national level, the movement was founded by the Democratic Leadership Council (501c4 educational non-profit, founded 1984) and includes the House New Democrat Coalition (founded 1997), the Senate New Democrat Coalition (founded 2000), the New Democrat Network PAC (founded 1996), the misnamed Progressive Policy Institute (501c4 think tank, "Bill Clinton's idea mill", founded 1989), and the umbrella funding group The Third Way Foundation (501c3 non-profit, founded 1996).

Since coming to power within the Democratic Party with Bill Clinton's presidency, the New Democrats/DLC have worked towards "essentially the same purpose as the Christian Coalition... to pull a broad political party dramatically to the right" according to John Nichols of The Progressive.

http://www.nndb.com/group/269/000093987/?du
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:49 PM
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5. Crooks and Liars (conference call)
"Just got off a conference call with the Strengthen Social Security coalition, featuring Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI). Also taking part: Charles Loveless, Director of Legislation, AFSCME; Ed Coyle, Executive Director, Alliance for Retired Americans; Terry O’Neill, President, National Organization for Women, Max Richtman, National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Sarah Lane of MoveOn.org"

Bernie Sanders: If White House Thinks Senate Will Pass Social Security Cuts, Think Again
By Susie Madrak

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/bernie-sanders-if-white-house-thinks-
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 12:55 PM
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6. You Can't Cite Crooks & Liars, They Do Business With Jane Hamsher !!!
:sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

:D

:bounce:

:hi:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 03:11 PM
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7. OMG! And nobody told Sanders and Whitehouse the rulz
either? Now they're really going to be on the shite list.

:hi:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:21 PM
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8. LOL !!!
I guess not.

:evilgrin:

:hi:
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Harry Callahan Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 07:31 PM
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10. It seems to me that it is more about Sanders disconnect with reality.
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