DSCC asking Kochs for cash---Koch's Fire Back in Press Release...No Money for You... unless...

[KoKo]

(Note to DU Mods: The letter is from the "Koch Facts" website which is for press releases to Media..so assume posting isn't violating copyright rules)

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DSCC asking Kochs for cash

The Kochs have become a major target of Democratic ire recently -- but that hasn't stopped the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee from asking their company for money. A Koch company executive fires back in a letter to DSCC chairwoman Sen. Patty Murray:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0711/DSCC_asking_Kochs_for_cash.html?showall#


Letter to Senator Patty Murray, Chair Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee

Senator Patty Murray, Chair
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee

Dear Senator Murray:

For many months now, your colleagues in the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee leadership have engaged in a series of disparagements and ad hominem attacks about us, apparently as part of a concerted political and fundraising strategy. Just recently, Senator Reid wrote in a DSCC fundraising letter that Republicans are trying to “force through their extreme agenda faster than you can say ‘Koch Brothers.’”

So you can imagine my chagrin when I got a letter from you on June 17 asking us to make five-figure contributions to the DSCC. You followed that up with a voicemail* indicating that, if we contributed heavily enough, we would garner an invitation to join you and other Democratic leaders at a retreat in Kiawah Island this September.

I’m hoping you can help me understand the intent of your request because it’s hard not to conclude that DSCC politics have become so cynical that you actually expect people whom you routinely denounce to give DSCC money.

It is troubling that private citizens taking part in the discourse have become the targets of White House and DSCC fundraising missives, and we would certainly encourage you to rethink that approach. Ultimately, I expect voters will see through that and will weigh the issues on the merits alone. But in the meantime, if you could provide me some insight on what exactly you are asking of us and why, I would be most grateful.

Sincerely,
Philip Ellender
President, Government & Public Affairs
Koch Companies Public Sector, LLC


http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/letter-to-senator-patty-murray-chair-democratic-senatorial-campaign-committee/

[21st Century FDR]

1. What the FUCK, Patty?

Why are you asking these TREASONOUS FUCKING BASTARDS for money in the first place?

I thought Cantwell was supposed to be the corporatist senator in this state :wtf:

[whathehell]

4. Exactly,,,,Why are dems asking for money from Kochs? n/t

[rhett o rick]

12. What corps would you suggest they take money from? nm

[Tatiana]

15. I think Costco would be a better entity than anything Koch Bros. - associated. n/t

[rhett o rick]

19. Good start, maybe you can make a list. The point is that corps own the process.

Until the process is fixed, it is pointless to pick out one corp to target. Unless it makes someone feel better.

[whathehell]

27. Who is suggesting they take money from any corp?

[rhett o rick]

40. I would love to see evidence otherwise. nm

[defendandprotect]

34. How about NONE!! Do you remember before 2010 elections when Pelosi was trying

to call out GOP for taking corporate $$ ....

She was calling it "Poo on their shoe" -- !!!


:rofl:

But it's true!! Unbelievable as it seems ... !!

[rhett o rick]

41. I agree with "none" but I bet none of our Congress-critters agree. nm

[defendandprotect]

53. Why would they -- 44% of them are millionaires and multi-millionaires ...

Only we expect them to do the greatest good for the American people -- !!



:evilgrin:

[rhett o rick]

56. Are you sure that only 44% are? nm

[defendandprotect]

67. Last I heard -- but probably a figure at least two years old ...

Probably needs some re-checking ---

but if we looked at home many of them are pre-owned and pre-bribed by corporations

I'd imagine the figure is quite HIGH!!

[emulatorloo]

2. I wouldn't believe the Koch Bros even if their tongues came notarized

Any comment from Patty yet?

[KoKo]

8. The Politico Article by Ben Smith linked to the Voicmail from Murray but it's now gone from

the "Koch Facts" website.

Pretty crummy stuff from the Koch Brothers, if you ask me. But, then Murry requesting funds from them with an invite to Dem Retreat didn't sound much better to my way of thinking.

[defendandprotect]

68. Just linked to it at the Koch Facts website ... the link from the thread still works ... !!

:puke:

What's next, asking ExxonMobil for money -- or maybe KKK?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1444192&mesg_id=1444192


And repeating the Koch Facts website link -- as shown at the bottom of Sen. Patty Murray's

memo --

http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/letter-to-senator-patty-murray-chair-democratic-senatorial-campaign-committee/

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

3. The game is rigged folks. As Carlin said: "It's a club, and you're not in it.” nt

[defendandprotect]

35. +1 --

[whosinpower]

5. Show us the other letter

The one from the DSCC asking for money. I am not sure I beleive this entirely.

[KoKo]

9. See reply #8...where the Politico site linked to Murray's Vocemail..

[emulatorloo]

26. "The page you are looking for can not be found.".

That isn't reassuring me about the truthfulness of the KochBros.

Or The POLITICO either.

If you know what I mean.

[arcane1]

6. "invitation to join you and other Democratic leaders at a retreat in Kiawah Island this September"

:puke:

[Buns_of_Fire]

7. Don't go! That book -- "To Serve The Kochs" -- It's a COOKBOOK!!! nt

[tosh]

17. ...

:rofl:

[Ignis]

21. !

:spray:

[chill_wind]

24. :-)

LOL!!

[defendandprotect]

36. Koch Bros/DLC certainly "cooked" the Democratic Party -- !!

[KoKo]

31. The owner of that Resort is a

RW'er who made out like bandit off the S&L Loans and is a HUGE Repug Sponser. I feel sad that the DSCC would even consider having their "retreat" at that place. It's usually been reserved for the Repugs.

The OWNER is a "behind the scenes power broker" for Repugs and thinks he's hot shit..

[defendandprotect]

37. +1 --- didn't know that -- !!

[KoKo]

43. I don't want to say anymore...

because of the "Google"...but I have a history with that place.... In these times, we all have to be careful what we say.

[defendandprotect]

38. Amazing ... any of these Dems ever mention they've even met Koch Bros?

[KoKo]

44. The Koch's did donate to Dems...there's a list on a thread above...but it was far less than to Repug

Candidates. Check the above thread.

[defendandprotect]

48. They funded the DLC ... so I'd say it was enough to turn the party upside down ... !!

[KoKo]

49. I wonder if they are funding that NEW DEM Organization..."Third Way."

I haven't done any research ....so I don't know. Do you know? Has anyone else done research on "Third Way?" It sounds like a "new name" for "DLC" which we know was reported to be disbanded.

[defendandprotect]

51. Number of threads recently .... DLC ... to Third Way/New Dems... to PPI ... to PNAC ...

I haven't had time to actually read all the links as yet --

and don't think it mentioned funding -- but these are all right wing think tanks --

very right wing -- as in fascist.

If you have any familiarity at all with PNAC you know it goes all the way to

militarizing the skies --




The new DLC website . . . and remember HRC is part of DLC leadership --

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=86

Notice references to "New Dems" which seems to be what Obama identifies himself as --


Madfloridian's OP the most valuable, I think -- so far --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1408936&mesg_id=1408936


http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Marshall_Will


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1398690&mesg_id=1398748

http://progressivefix.com/content-by-topic#education



PS: Is it at all believable that Harry Reid didn't know the Koch Bros were funding the DLC -- ?




As an aside --

This was bounced out of LBN today and into GD where it dropped quickly --

mildly interesting because of that --

http://articles.boston.com/2011-07-07/news/29747969_1_president-obama-ann-dunham-barack-h-obama

[TNLib]

62. I'm not surprised the DSCC asked them for money

Most likely the Koch's have given in the past.
However it's odd that they called the DSCC out like that. Maybe all the bad press is starting to sting them a bit.

[hfojvt]

10. can corporations make contributions

or was the letter to Mr. Ellender?

If so, that is likely because he has donated in the past.

[Name removed]

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[marlakay]

13. I had emailed her yesterday about debt ceiling issue

so I wrote again and put a copy of this in the email and asked what the heck she is doing!!! I live in WA state so she is my senator...you have to know this is totally not like her, she is usually a bull fighting for dem issues. I asked if someone else in the committee contacted them and they are writing her back because she is the chair...

[KoKo]

18. It could be the Committee members asked her to contact Koch...and

so she had to. Might be they really need the money because funding is down...which is not a good sign either way.

[dems_rightnow]

39. I could be a recording

Could be a recording that they jam in when they go to voicemail. It wasn't personalized in any way.

[rhett o rick]

14. Sen Murray is my Senator. I would contact her but not sure what to say.

I dont know any listing of good corps vs. bad corps. Corps own politics. Until we fix that, there isnt much we can say.

[Erose999]

22. Koch is the worst corp of all. There are corps that are probably more evil (Blackwater, etc) but

Koch has the deepest pockets and the widest influence.

[rhett o rick]

42. I doubt that they are the most evil lobbyists. nm

[defendandprotect]

52. You might try reading Al Gore's recent article in Rolling Stone first ...

what he is describing is fascism despite the face he never uses the word --

Gore also points to our Goebbels' style corporate press --

Control of Congress by Oil and Coal industry --

resulting in "dysfunctional government" - and a paralyzed government --

Seems Congress is setting its schedule around their fund raising events every day -- !!

aside from the "votes" --


When you're talking about large corporations there aren't any "good" corporations --

Last I looked -- and I never see it discussed -- the Business Round Table is 250 corportions --

generally shy about having their names revealed -- who work together to fight equality for

all -- and liberal agenda --

Hallmark Cards fights female equality via that organization while selling their cards mainly

to females!

Long list of these corporations -- I have a list somewhere -- disgusting!

Corporations are united in every way possible -- up, down and sideways -- hierarchies of

power -- while citizens aren't!!

[rhett o rick]

57. Corporations all have the same goal, to make money. In fact they are required

by law to do their best to make money. They have no morals and will do whatever they can to make money. Those that refrain, loose out. Enforced regulations are the only thing that controls their behavior. Remove the regulations or relax their enforcement unleashes Enrons. We need our government representatives to stand up for us. They are all, or most all, corrupted but the wealth of the corporations. There is no way out other than revolution. I do not advocate a violent revolution, but we must stand together and reclaim our country from the oligarchs.

[defendandprotect]

59. Proving in fact that they are not "persons" by the lack of conscience and common sense ...

in fact they are suicidal in their exploitation of nature which has given

us Global Warming --

Further, unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime -- which indicates

that most of the CEO's should be in prison!!

Certainly ExxonMobil CEO's should be --


Agree with your conclusion re revolution -- and a non-violent one --

Unfortunately, the atomic era, nuclear reactors, drones -- the amassing of weapons

and the reintroduction of TORTURE are threats that the Founders didn't face --

And, sadly, prove to be more of a threat to citizens than any enemy!!



:nuke:

[rhett o rick]

60. I agree except for one thing. We must focus on the real problem.

It's not the CEO's. We have established that corporations have no consciences and no morals and therefore we must that their CEO's also may not have such. We can eliminate CEO's but they will just be replaced. We the People must regulate the corporations. To do that we must have government representatives that will represent us. Thus the problem is we are failing to insist on representatives that truly represent us. Until we come to grips with that problem we are lost.

[defendandprotect]

63. We did regulate the corporations -- took them 60 years of rw violence and they undid it ....

As Michael Moore relates, capitalism is an evil -- and you can't regulate an evil.


Patriarchy -- and its underpinning =

Organized Patriarchal Religion -- and its economic invention =

Capitalism =

The Unholy Trinity

[rhett o rick]

65. We did regulate capitalism. It is possible. How would we eliminate capitalism? nm

[defendandprotect]

66. In fact, we need to uninvent the dollar bill -- it's a yardstick which is destroying us all -- !!

And a means of moving power -- illegitimately!

[defendandprotect]

69. k/r --

[mmonk]

16. Other than the DGA, I quit contributing to the other party fundraising

apparatus such as the DNC, DCCC, and the DSCC because they put party policy up for sale back when the DLC was formed and declared itself the policy think tank.

[KoKo]

33. When Howard Dean was DNC Chair...I used to send contributions with a .01 cent added

so they'd have to read the check and I always put in.....for Howard Dean.

This was a big thing on DU when Dean managed to become DNC Chair. It was to show our support for Dean so they would know that we were Progressives.

Anyone here remember when we did that? :shrug:

Since then I've not given a penny to the DCCC or the DSCC and tell them when they call that I support my local Candidates...which I have done and do give to. It's ALL LOCAL...believe me...it's our best chance..and even then the NEW DNC out gives to candidates who are not progressive.

[NCarolinawoman]

58. The DSCC never gave a cent to Elaine Marshall.

She was tied in the polls with Senator Burr after she won that "second" primary. They didn't like her because she was an outspoken progressive. Very much against all those wars.

I kept getting e-mails from the DSCC pleading for money to support candidates in other states. I asked them to put my own NC Senatorial candidate on their fund raising list. They ignored my letter and kept up the soliciting for candidates from other states.

I finally told them to take my name off their list and told them WHY.

To this day I STILL get their e-mails.:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Rex]

20. Some people don't care whose

dick they gotta suck...as long as they get the money. This country LOVES it some $$$!!!

[KoKo]

46. We become very jaded...when we've watched politics for a long time..but..

I hope that WE NEVER GIVE UP...because it's what the "Powers that Be" are truly hoping for..........

[Rex]

70. I will never give up.

We will eventually see some kind of change forced by economic forces we have no control over, just hope our ruling party understands what is at stake here.

[chill_wind]

23. Gah!

[baycityMI]

25. I don't believe it. this has to be a mistake.

If its true, I'm done.

[ej510]

28. These guys are all on the same team.

[KoKo]

45. It's looking more and more these days that they ARE on the Same Team...and,

I really wish I was wrong. But, I've given up the "hope" that I was wrong...and changed it to "wish I was wrong." :-(

[WCGreen]

29. Nothing ventured, nothing gained...

[LiberalAndProud]

30. I think their little feelings got hurt.

It's no secret that they buy influence. Guess they've decided they may have come to the end of their influence in the DCCC. That's a good thing.

And this is funny.

[MouseFitzgerald]

32. The DSCC just got told

The DSCC just got put in their place by some of the most horrible human beings on the planet. The democratic party is in so much fucking trouble.

[KoKo]

50. +1

[Name removed]

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[KoKo]

54. We need to get corporate funding out of campaigns. Force Cables to give free airtime

to candidates. Money, particularly from big donors like Koch's,Mellon-Scaifes and others..(including big Hedge Funds giving to Dems to control policy) should not be allowed...or reigned in better than it is now.

[Name removed]

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[defendandprotect]

64. Agree -- and we all know what SHOULD be done, but we have party and reps under

influence of Koch Bros. DLC -- and other corporate $$ --

Look at Patty Murray pleading with that slime Koch for $$$ --

How would we ever trust a situation like that again -- or Patty Murray?



Read Al Gore's article in Rolling Stone if you have the time --

it's on Global Warming but he's describing fascism in America without using the word --

from our Goebbels' style corporate press to a Congress "under the control of oil and

coal industries" -- "dysfunctional government" --

[meow mix]

55. just a parlay with thier real base, the one that gets representation.

:puke:
fail-party.

[stevenleser]

71. These kinds of mistakes happen in campaigns all the time. The databases are huge and the people

organizing the entries are staffers who are not always the brightest.

Here is my OP that includes the DSCC response http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1461701