Does anybody here REALLY believe the SS cuts are no biggie?

[Ken Burch]

Does anybody here really think this administration can ever do anything worthwhile after doing this?

Does anybody here really think this guy still has the right to seek re-election as a Democrat?

Does anybody here really think we're obligated to just swallow this in the name of stopping "President Bachmann"?

Does anybody here really think that it just doesn't matter how much our party "salami slices" its values?

[dmallind]

1. what SS cuts? How much? for whom? Never heard of these.....nt

[kctim]

14. Ranks right up there with

'the terrorists are going to get ya,' doesn't it.

[lamp_shade]

2. YAWN

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[sharp_stick]

10. Sure ya' did

enjoy your stay.

[lamp_shade]

13. Uh huh

Sure, kentuckexdem

[fascisthunter]

4. yes, and that person Unrecced your post

I think we have republican moles in the democratic party and think these Third Way dems are those moles.

[phleshdef]

5. Yes, because they aren't going to happen.

[Ken Burch]

6. That's what the changes mean. They can't mean anything else.

Face it...Obama is over.

[emulatorloo]

9. Selfdelete

[phleshdef]

41. I know you want them to happen so badly because you want your bitching validated.

But they aren't going to happen. And your bitching will never be validated.

[Name removed]

8. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[tblue]

29. Yes, but

a lot of pro-Obama people call themselves 'realists.' I'm not pro- or anti-Obama, and I think I'm a realist and an idealist both. But I'm throwing up my hands. I don't know how we can bridge this tragic divide. I thought we all wanted Democratic policies, not just Democratic politicians. I don't unconditionally follow any politician. I wouldn't even know how to do that.

[RebelOne]

11. Certainly are a biggie since I am a social security recipient.

And if Obama caves on social security and Medicare cuts, he has totally lost my vote in 2012.

[mzmolly]

12. Does anybody here really think the President will cut SS?

If so, please provide a credible source.

[LiberalAndProud]

15. mzmolly, I can't wait to say that I was wrong.

I am very serious about that. I truly believed that the cuts were a done deal. Now that Pelosi says, "Nope," I am very much encouraged. I'm waiting for the deal to be rolled out, then I will be the first to say, "I was wrong! Thank the gods!"

[Ken Burch]

16. ...Said the person who probably insisted he'd never let the Bush tax cuts survive...

What's it like to trust blindly?

[mzmolly]

31. I don't recally saying that he'd never allow the Bush tax cuts to survive.

I recall saying that allowing Republicans to control the house might put tax cuts for the wealthy on the table, permanently. I also recall making a suggestion that Obama let the cuts expire and put forward a new middle class tax cut forcing Republicans to vote against it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9553409&mesg_id=9553409

I wish he had. We might not he have a "debt ceiling crisis" had he done so.

I also recall many people noting a supposed cut to SS back in January of this year.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=264760&mesg_id=264760

Do you think they have a desire to be right?

[lamp_shade]

20. Nah... I don't think so. > >

:hi:
My favorite post from the last few days in case you missed it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1432075

[mzmolly]

35. Ha!

:hi:

[tblue]

22. Not sure what your def of credible is, but pls check these out:

"the COLA change would indeed be a benefit cut and that the cuts would be biggest for the very old and disabled"
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/577638/201107071857/Obama-Mulls-COLA-Switch-Debt-Talks-Will-Continue.htm


'A. Barry Rand, head of the AARP, the advocacy group for the elderly, said: “Reducing the COLA by even a small amount is a harmful cut for many retirees.” '
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-07/social-security-cuts-weighed-by-lawmakers-under-change-in-inflation-gauge.html



'A proposal to cut Social Security costs and raise tax revenue by changing the way the government measures inflation ran into opposition from Democrats and Republicans.'
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/07/08/bloomberg1376-LNZHY51A1I4H01-6MDKBITPBCSN2SU8JQ464ACES4.DTL

[mzmolly]

33. Just because people are responding to Republicans desire to modify COLA

doesn't mean that Obama supports such a change.

[ecstatic]

25. Obama gets zero credit or benefit of the doubt, no matter how many times

the doubters are proven wrong. Studies that shown that when you don't like a person, you won't trust them, no matter what they do or say.

[defendandprotect]

26. OBAMA ALREADY CUT SOCIAL SECURITY ... COLA PAYMENTS -- !!!

CPI is a fraud -- and if Obama doesn't know that they he doesn't deserve

to be in the Oval Office!

[mzmolly]

32. When?

Do you have any credible information that a COLA adjustment happened?

[defendandprotect]

36. OBAMA CUT COLA PAYMENTS TWO YEARS NOW ... Where have you been?

[mzmolly]

37. I've been checking snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/socialsecurity/cola.asp

You?

I've also been reading credible sources vs. mythical emails:

http://retirementrevised.com/money/250-social-security-payment-resurfaces-in-obama-budget

President Obama’s 2012 budget would bring back a $250 one-time payment to Social Security recipients, who haven’t received a cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) since 2008. Pricetag on the proposal is $15 billion. Obama and other Democrats wanted a one-time payment in 2011, but the proposal didn’t make it through Congress.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) predicts that a regular Social Security COLA will return in 2012. The COLAs are driven by an automated formular benchmarked to the Consumer Price Index; CBO projects a COLA of 1.1 percent for 2012; 1.2 percent for 2013; and an average of 2.1 perecent from 2014 through 2021.

The COLA isn’t the only factor that will drive Social Security benefits higher, however; the program also has formulas designed to keep benefits even with overall growth of wages and productivity of the economy. Overall, CBO projects average benefit gains of 3 percent from 2011 to 2021.p

[Hoyt]

39. Heck, a DUer bet me $20 Obama was going to announce big SS cuts in SOTU. He never paid me either.

If they do it -- and there is no offsetting legislation -- I'll get ticked and start calling him all kinds of names. Until then, I'll reserve judgement.

[mzmolly]

40. I'm with you

on reserving judgement. :hi:

[ecstatic]

17. I think we need to wait for the facts and stop this foolish speculation

A program can be modified/reformed in many ways that don't involve getting rid of it. It could be something as simple as a reduction in what pharmaceutical companies get. We're being charged more for medicine in the US than anywhere else in the world!

[Ken Burch]

19. That's what you said about the tax cuts for the rich.

n/t.

[ecstatic]

27. I didn't want the cuts, but I also didn't want the unemployed and

middle class to be burdened. I think congress ultimately failed on that point, however.

[pnwmom]

18. You certainly can't demonstrate otherwise.

I'm not going to play the chicken little game that so many around here seem to love to do.

[Ken Burch]

21. That's what you said about the tax cuts for the rich

Face it, the guy's forever forfeited our trust. Nothing he can do now can ever be of value. If SS and Medicare are compromised, it's all over and the New Deal is dead. That's the end right there. There can't be anything for the workers or the poor once that happens.

[pnwmom]

34. The only way he could get the deal to extend unemployment benefits

for the long term unemployed was to agree to extending the tax cuts. I support the decision of Obama and Congressional leaders to do so.

He has NOT forfeited our trust, but some people are trying to whip up hysteria about rumors.

[defendandprotect]

23. Social Security and Medicare are core issues -- but I'm sure will make Koch Bros. happy -- !!

[defendandprotect]

24. Elected Democrats better understand it is -- they should be WALKING OUT ON OBAMA ..!!

[hifiguy]

28. The point is that once the nose of the repiglican camel

is in the tent by way of "small cuts" or "adjustments" today, tomorrow the rest of the stinking beast will soon be in the tent, shitting and spitting everywhere and eventually causing it to collapse.

You can't have the camel "part of the way" in.

[Rex]

30. They all fake it well.

[Harry Callahan]

38. Does anybody here really think that looting the entire $2.6 trillion trust fund...

would not create funding issues?