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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:43 PM
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Libyan Revolution Week 21
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 08:50 PM by joshcryer
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya">AJE Libya Live Blog http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/">Libya Alhurra archives and updates http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benghaziradio">Benghazi Free Radio, in Arabic (may have translators present at times) http://www.tributefm.com/">Tribute FM (English broadcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate https://twitter.com/#!/TheyCallMeSof">Sofyan Amry (arrived in Benghazi recently) http://twitter.com/#!/KiloFoot">KiloFoot (general Arab Spring news aggregation)

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1423826">Week 20 part 2 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Artists painted on a wall surrounding the Benghazi airport showing different people that make up Libyan society.

Sergey Ponomarev/Associated Press



Day 135 July 2

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8b4a7a90-a416-11e0-8b4f-00144feabdc0.html">Western rebels revive hope in Libyan fight
Rebels in western Libya are seeking more gains in their fight with Muammer Gaddafi’s forces, boosted by arms and political support from powers abroad seeking to end resistance by his regime to months of civil war and Nato bombings.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=38920&Cr=libya&Cr1=">UN team finds deep humanitarian needs in Nafusa mountains
“The humanitarian situation in the Nafusa mountains remains a top concern”
http://english.libya.tv/2011/07/01/libyas-abandoned-stockpiles-attract-smugglers/">Libya’s abandoned stockpiles attract smugglers
Packed to its limit with crates of artillery shells, the once-secret military base in the eastern Libyan desert is now open to anyone looking for an easy way to stock up on free ammunition.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/07/02/libya.war">Two Libyan cities shelled after Gadhafi rallies supporters
Heavy shelling fell on the besieged port city of Misrata and the embattled city of Dafniya on Saturday, according to a CNN team in Libya who heard the explosions.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/SID-AC6739AB-4C3328EF/natolive/news_75942.htm">NATO tackles threat of attacks in western Libya
In recent days, NATO-led Operation Unified Protector has stepped up its military pressure on pro-Qadhafi forces in western Libya, disrupting attempts to increase their attacks on civilians.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-02/clinton-says-libyan-rebels-strengthening-rejects-qaddafi-threat.html">Clinton Says Libyan Rebels Strengthening
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Libyan rebels are gaining momentum and that the country’s leader, Muammar Qaddafi, should stop issuing threats against foreign nations.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/07/02/libya.war">Libyan rebels, Gadhafi forces exchange fire; 11 rebels wounded
Libyan rebels and troops loyal to Moammar Gadhafi shelled each other for hours on Saturday in clashes at the highly contested frontline of Dafniya, an embattled town just west of the besieged port city of Misrata.
http://youtu.be/yT-lFUwVebA">Libya from colonization to Gaddafi's "Freedom, Socialism and Unity" - video
Singer: Aït Menguellet from his album A kwen-ix?ae Rebbi (1992) - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1401485&mesg_id=1404241">lyrics here
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/publications/article.cfm?id=5410&cat=briefing-documents&ref=footer-features">Trapped in Transit: The Neglected Victims of the War in Libya
Since the beginning of the war in Libya, more than one million1 civilians have fled the conflict, most of them crossing land borders to Tunisia, Egypt, Algeria, Chad, Niger, and Sudan.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/01/990315/-Did-Qaddafi-Bomb-Peaceful-Protesters">Did Qaddafi Bomb Peaceful Protesters?
Almost from the being of the Arab uprising in Libya, Qaddafi met the peaceful protesters with maximum violence. By 21 February, he was already using war planes against demonstrations in Tripoli and Benghazi.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/01/misrata-band-libya-rebels-fb-17">Misrata band lays down a soundtrack for Libya's rebels
Bands the world over complain about how tough it was in the early years: no money, no gigs, money-grabbing producers. But such annoyances pale alongside the travails of Libya's FB 17.


Day 136 July 3

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_686699.html">Libyan rebels hope to retake gateway to Tripoli
LIBYA'S rebel army on Saturday said it hoped to recapture areas to the south of Tripoli over the next 48 hours, as they attempt to push within striking distance of the capital.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iFPqknfbpI7tRiOkj6x18OeNyQgA?docId=CNG.d97d1583cba2c514095cbdcb58e788d5.381">Libyans 'executed' for shunning Kadhafi rally: relative
Hours after thousands packed Tripoli's Green Square cheering for Moamer Kadhafi, Mohammed said the still warm body of his nephew was dumped outside the family home with two bullets in his head.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gin6_hAV6K3gD7P-4kIYJsDmzxHA?docId=CNG.c45b1499618bdfc8c2602868ded684ec.81">Libya rebels poised for push towards Tripoli
Buoyed by French arms drops and intensified NATO air strikes on the regime's frontline armour, Libya's rebel army said it is poised for an offensive that could put it within striking distance of Tripoli.
http://news.yahoo.com/turkey-recognizes-libya-rebels-gives-300-million-174140388.html">Turkey recognizes Libya rebels, gives $300 million
Turkey's foreign minister says his country recognizes the leadership of the Libyan rebels as the sole legitimate representatives of the country.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/201173113123144759.html">World politics and the revolution in Libya
Revolts and revolutions begin locally but their outcomes are often determined globally. The rebels themselves understandably are focused on bringing down the regime that oppresses them. But the course of their struggles and the ultimate fate of their revolution can be shaped by faraway forces and events.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/07/2011721054895234.html">Libya: 'We win or we die'
Libyan rebels continue their struggle against Muammer Gaddafi loyalists; for the rebels it is a matter of life or death.
http://www.dc4mf.org/en/content/libyans-journey-doha#.Tg9YI_Zwvb4.facebook">A Libyan's journey to Doha
I've been working in the media since 2001 and with Libyan state TV since 2008. Being a news anchor at state television, I had been reporting on the developments in the region and we knew something was going to happen in Libya soon.


Day 137 July 4

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/04/syria-libya-middle-east-unrest#block-2">Turkey cuts diplomatic ties with Gaddafi regime, recalls ambassador, freezes assets
Turkey has cut its diplomatic ties with Muammar Gaddafi's Libyan government and recalled its ambassador, the Turkish Official Gazette reported over the weekend.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8615040/Saif-Gaddafi-My-father-will-not-leave-Libya.html">Saif Gaddafi: 'My father will not leave Libya'
In an interview for French television Muammar Gaddafi's son Saif al-Islam defiantly states that Western powers are doomed to lose their military campaign to oust the Libyan leader.
http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE76302Z20110704?sp=true">Libyan government says talks with rebels
The Libyan government has had meetings in foreign capitals with representatives of the country's opposition to try to negotiate a peace deal, a spokesman for Muammar Gaddafi's administration said on Monday.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-07-04/qaddafi-should-face-trial-if-he-stays-in-libya-opposition-says.html">Qaddafi Should Face Trial If He Stays in Libya, Opposition Says
Muammar Qaddafi can remain in Libya provided he resigns and is prepared to face prosecution, said Jalal el-Gallal, a spokesman for the rebels’ National Transitional Council.
http://blog.bridging-the-divide.org/news/room-to-grow-free-libyas-emergent-civil-society">Room to Grow: Free Libya’s Emergent Civil Society
“Who’s actually running things in free Libya?” Such was the question posed by PhD candidate Ryan Calder in a recent article for Foreign Policy, “The Improvised State.” Eastern Libya’s Transitional National Council (TNC) has shouldered much of the burden, Calder writes, but it has mostly had its hands full with top-down management – particularly of its ad-hoc military and oil facilities.


Day 138 July 5

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/world/europe/05russia.html">Russia Renews Push for Libyan Peace
Russia stepped up its efforts to negotiate a resolution to the war in Libya on Monday, with officials here receiving the president of South Africa, who has also offered his services as a mediator, and the secretary-general of NATO.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/04/ap/world/main20076721.shtml">Gaddafi regime claims to intercept boats with Qatari arms intended for rebels
Libyan officials said that shortly before dawn they intercepted two boats loaded with weapons from Qatar that were intended for the rebels.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14026216">Waiting game for rebels in western Libya
Morale on the government side seems to be very low. There are indications on the front line in the mountain village of Kikla, for example, that the pro-Gaddafi soldiers would surrender quickly if their officers let them.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jRjBpiDTQxittcV_eMGOwdlxd0pw?docId=dd1aba15612a45b190d1bc1b78524891">Gadhafi's forces strike rebels in western Libya
Moammar Gadhafi's forces stepped up pressure near the port city of Misrata and a key western mountain range to try to block rebel fighters from advancing toward the capital of Tripoli, rebels said Tuesday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/05/us-libya-aid-idUSTRE7643UI20110705">ICRC alarmed by situation in Libya, fears worse
The shifting frontlines near Misrata and the Nafusa mountain region of western Libya, southwest of Tripoli, have forced more families to flee their homes, said Castella. "We don't think that the frontlines will stabilize anytime soon."
http://english.libya.tv/2011/07/05/two-kilometre-independence-flag-and-close-to-a-million-people-expected-in-benghazi-rally">Two kilometre independence flag and a million people expected in Benghazi rally
In a full-bodied sign of unity, Libyans in Benghazi and other liberated cities and towns are planning for a massive rally which has not been seen since the beginning of the uprisings in mid-February.
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=38940&Cr=libya&Cr1=">Libya: UN introduces regular vessel to ferry aid from Benghazi to Misrata
The United Nations World Food Programme (WFP) has launched the first ship with a regular schedule to ferry relief supplies and aid workers from the Libyan city of Benghazi to Misrata
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14035281">Three days of farce in Gaddafi's Libya
... up until this week, none of the foreign journalists locked up in our five-star gilded cage in Tripoli had been offered a chance to see Col Muammar Gaddafi's loyal fighters up close on the front lines.
http://youtu.be/Qn8tquQh6gc">Libyan mountain town seeks to rebuild - video
In Jadu, a small town in Libya's western Nafusa Mountains, protesters destroyed many icons of Muammar Gaddafi's regime soon after the uprising began in mid-February.
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/voices/?ref=main-menu">Voices from the Field
First-hand Accounts from MSF Aid Workers and Patients


Day 139 July 6

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Libya-rebels-becoming-self-sufficient-20110705">Libya rebels becoming self sufficient
Benghazi - Libya's rebels, increasingly confident on the ground, no longer need weapons drops from France, Paris said on Tuesday as a Russian official reported Muammar Gaddafi is conditionally ready to step down.
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/libyans-who-fled-tripoli-1000035.html">Libyans who fled Tripoli describe furtive protests
Rebel sympathizers, driven underground by a security clampdown in Tripoli, have resorted to furtive protests such as writing "No" next to pro-government wall graffiti and releasing balloons with rebel flags attached, according to two Libyans who have escaped the capital.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304447804576413792782010496.html?mod=googlenews_wsj">Prolonged Libya War Puts Defected Diplomats in Limbo
Libya's war has thrown many diplomats who abandoned Col. Moammar Gadhafi's government into a curious limbo, as they attempt to hold together stateless embassies while the conflict drags into its fifth month.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14037358">Libya: Rebels 'create Misrata arc'
Libyan rebels have succeeded in creating a defensive arc south and west of the port of Misrata by linking up two fronts, they have told the BBC.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2011/Jul-06/Libya-rebels-launch-assault-on-gateway-to-Tripoli.ashx">Libya rebels launch assault on gateway to Tripoli
ZINTAN: Libyan rebels launched a promised assault on a key gateway to Tripoli early Wednesday, attacking positions just 50 kilometers from the capital, an AFP correspondent reported.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/07/2011766657771381.html">Civilians killed in Misurata shelling
Libyan rebels say scores wounded after pro-Gaddafi troops shell besieged enclave in west of the country.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-06/oil-tanker-fidias-is-moored-at-rebel-held-port-in-libya-1-.html">Oil Tanker Fidias Is Moored at Rebel Held Port in Libya
Fidias, an oil products tanker, is moored at the rebel-held port of Benghazi in eastern Libya, a sign that enemies of Muammar Qaddafi seeking to end his four- decade rule are still getting fuel deliveries by sea.
http://www.universalsubtitles.org/sv/videos/P6a4IMpOjMIh">Sa'if Gadaffi's recent rambling and bizarre speech to a group of Revolutionary Council thugs in Tripoli.
This video illustrates what the freedom fighters are up against, in it Saif talks of expunging all non-Gaddafi supporters from Libya (as Iterate notes that's at least 2/3rds of Libya, though that's being conservative). And at the end he even says the "spoils of war" will go to them. It's disgusting. Normally I wouldn't post Saif/Gaddafi propaganda, but I pity anyone who watches this and still has doubts about the freedom fighters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI2ncwCCYnM">Freedom Fighter heroes Monday July4 after liberating area west of Misrata - video
Video of a long chain of celebrating freedom fighters after they helped liberate an area west of Misrata


Day 140 July 7

http://cjchivers.com/post/7315200016/pics-from-the-capture-of-al-qualish-libya">CJ Chivers: Pics from the Capture of Al Qualish, Libya.
Rebels opposed to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi captured the town of Al Qualish today, moving closer to Garyan, the city astride the highway running south from Tripoli.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/in-libya-rebels-gaining-in-the-west/2011/07/06/gIQAmNvA1H_story.html">In Libya, rebels gaining in the west
Rebel victories in Libya’s western mountains are shifting the focus of efforts to topple Moammar Gaddafi’s regime, as fighters close in on cities that control the government’s main supply routes.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/07/uk-china-libya-idUKTRE7660Q520110707">China deepens engagement with Libyan rebels
A Chinese diplomat met with leaders of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) at their base in Benghazi, state media said on Thursday, building deeper relationships with rebels seeking to oust Muammar Gaddafi.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201107070633.html">Libya: Botswana Supports the Warrant of Arrest Issued by ICC
Botswana wishes to reiterate her position in support of the warrant of arrest. This decision was not reached lightly.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/07/in-tunisia-nations-compete-to-aid-libyan-refugees/241394">In Tunisia, Nations Compete to Aid Libyan Refugees
Qatar's lavish camp is currently winning the competition to best provide for Libyans fleeing the civil war, even outperforming the UN, but to what end?
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/07/libya-expels-telegraph-journalist-over-pro-rebel-report/39684">Libya Expels Telegraph Journalist Over Anti-Qaddafi Report
There's a secret war going on in Tripoli, and Qaddafi's regime is going to great lengths to keep it a secret.
http://cjchivers.com/post/7350661468/landmines-used-by-qaddafi-forces-in-nafusa-mountains">CJ Chivers: Landmines Used By Qaddafi Forces in Nafusa Mountains
When Al Qawalish fell to the anti-Qaddafi forces on Wednesday, the rebels encountered a worrisome hazard — a large minefield along the left flank and, to a lesser degree, the front of a blocking position on the road.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/07/uk-libya-alqawalish-idUKTRE76666520110707">Gaddafi forces shell ghost town after rebel advance
The frontline Libyan village of Al-Qawalish was a ghost town Thursday, a day after it was seized by rebels, who said life may return to normal in the area after the exit of Muammar Gaddafi's troops.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzcV5HR_nwKoRqjVuQVcks0BqnpA?docId=af776e3bd13a47928580d0931d0a623e

Moammar Gadhafi is loved in Libya's rebel capital — as a subject for street artists to mock.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/07/07/talking-free-press-libya">Talking to the free press in Libya
Farooq, our Libyan fixer, turned up at the Al Jazeera house here a couple of nights ago and asked me to do him a favour. Would I give a talk to a bunch of budding young Libyan journalists about journalism and, in particular, about how to handle press conferences?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjboApiIgRE">Jadu's anti Gaddafi demonstration - video
Jadu is near the front lines in the western mountains. These people would in immediate danger of violating law 19 and 71 which restrict free association, with article 206 rendering the penalty of death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGe2m2V9q14">BBC News' Mark Doyle reports from Nafusa Mountains
Mark Doyle discusses Berber-Arab unity, along with the reintroduction of the Berber language which Gaddafi has banned for 42 years (but somehow it has persisted). Also talk of tribal divisions, no doubt fomented by Gaddafi.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/07/06/gun-running-libyan-rebels">Gun running with the Libyan rebels
As the daughter of a ship’s captain, I’ve been on some strange voyages in my time. But our passage to Misrata in late June had to be the craziest.
http://youtu.be/Ow3H8UtbPYQ">Video from TripoliCalling demonstration in Misrata - video
Today at 6:00 PM local time Misratah, hundreds of Misrahties demonstrated in Sana Mehidly st. and ended up at Freedom Place. There they made their voices clear to the world, "Gaddafi it is time to leave."


Day 141 July 8

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/07/uk-libya-gains-idUKTRE7662YV20110707">Analysis - Rebel gains too slow to hurt Gaddafi badly
More battlefield gains in rural areas will help raise flagging morale among Libyan rebels impatient for victory but won't shift the military balance decisively against Muammar Gaddafi soon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/08/us/politics/08powers.html">House Sends Conflicting Signals on Libya
The House voted down a measure on Thursday that would have prevented the United States military from using force in Libya, but it also blocked military support to the Libyan rebels
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/08/uk-libya-un-idUKTRE76707920110708">U.N. chief, Libya PM discuss need to solve fighting
U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon spoke with Libya's prime minister by telephone on Thursday about the need to end the current fighting in the North African nation, according to a statement from Ban's spokesperson's office.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/captured-gaddafi-soldiers-including-foreign-fighters-tell-of-low-morale/2011/07/07/gIQAGspi2H_story.html">Captured Gaddafi soldiers, including foreign fighters, tell of low morale
In interviews conducted separately at the rebel-run jail in Ziltan, the detainees said that as many as half the forces deployed by the Gaddafi regime to the front lines come from countries such as Niger and Mali. ... In the capital, government officials offered him Libyan citizenship in exchange for taking up arms for Gaddafi, he said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/07/20117853828409960.html">'The bitter price of freedom' -- Despite losses, Zintan ready to keep fighting
Residents of remote town in western Libya will not accept anything less than the end of Gaddafi's government.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-8-2011-1937">NATO warplanes bomb Gaddafi forces in Western Mountains
NATO warplanes bombed forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi in Libya's Western Mountains on Friday at the front line where Gaddafi's troops retreated two days ago from a rebel advance.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-08/misrata-rebels-say-they-captured-libyan-village-after-three-days-of-battle.html">Misrata Rebels Say They Captured Libyan Village After Three Days of Battle
Rebels in the besieged Libyan city of Misrata said they captured a village on the outskirts of the government-held town of Zlitan after three days of fighting.
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=228521">Gaddafi threatens 'martyr' attacks in Europe
Muammar Gaddafi threatened on Friday to send hundreds of Libyans to launch attacks in Europe in revenge for the NATO-led military campaign against him.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8626622/Libya-Gaddafi-army-attacks-supply-route-as-rebels-make-advance.html">Libya: Gaddafi army attacks supply route as rebels make advance
A sustained assault by pro-Gaddafi forces on a vital opposition supply route close to the Tunisian border is threatening to undermine a rebel advance on Tripoli.
http://www.wbez.org/story/sebastian-junger-and-world’s-policeman-88908">Sebastian Junger and the world’s policeman
One person who has added meaningfully to this conversation over the last two decades is journalist and filmmaker Sebastian Junger. He has spoken up in favor of American intervention, but knows the costs can be high: His friend and partner, photojournalist Tim Hetherington, was killed during the fighting in Libya in April.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jul/08/guardian-journalist-expelled-tripoli-libya">With Guardian and Daily Telegraph expelled, no British or American reporters remain in Tripoli
The Guardian has been expelled from Tripoli for the second time in three weeks as the Libyan regime seeks tighter control over how the conflict is reported to the world.
News stories that got reporters deported by the Gaddafi regime:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/06/tripoli-night-battles-rebels-shootings">Tripoli: a stronghold by day, a battleground at night (David Smith)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8620881/Libya-covert-guerrilla-war-in-Tripoli.html">Libya: covert guerrilla war in Tripoli (Adrian Blomfield)
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/07/07/libya.tripoli.rebel">From deep inside Tripoli, displays of defiance
The view that journalists get while driving through Tripoli is typically witnessed through the windows of government buses driving along routes selected by government minders that show a pro-government landscape.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/07/08/libya-government-lays-more-mines-western-mountains">Libya: Government Lays More Mines in Western Mountains ('Shameful,' says HRW)
Libyan government forces have placed at least three minefields containing antipersonnel and antivehicle landmines outside the village of al-Qawalish in the western Nafusa Mountains, Human Rights Watch said today.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/07/07/156560.html">Libya Soup Kitchen
After an arduous day of fighting the frontline, in Misrata, Libya, volunteers have set up a soup kitchen catering especially to ravenous rebel soldiers.




http://www.reuters.com/places/libya">Click here for updated map



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751">A topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths about the treatment of women in Benghazi.

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0">The Battle of Benghazi. BBC Panorama on Libya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA">Part 1, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s">Part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M">Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAclhhHv43s&feature=player_embedded">Arab Awakening: Libya: Through the Fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc">Tea of Freedom Song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z41kQvx4uKw">Libya: Part 2 - The Uprising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vNWCGDkdWY">Benghazi - Backbone of the Libyan revolution


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of UN resolution 1973. How will a no fly zone work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k">AJE reports.

Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-21/les-f-16-belges-dans-le-feu-de-l-action-829588.php">Six F-16 Falcon fighter jets of the Belgian Air Component. Bulgaria: The Bulgarian Navy Wielingen class frigate Drazki http://paper.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2011-03-23&article=35828">will participate in the naval blockade. Canada: Canadian Forces Air Command has deployed http://www.cefcom-comfec.forces.gc.ca/pa-ap/ops/mobile/index-eng.asp">a total 440 military personnel as well as the Halifax-class frigate HMCS Charlottetown are participating in operations. Denmark: The Royal Danish Air Force http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/ECE1227910/denmark-to-send-squadron-on-libya-op/">is participating with six F-16AM fighters. France: French Air Force which realizes 25% of NATO's strikes http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/autres-operations/harmattan/libye-debut-des-operations-aeriennes-francaises">is participating in the mission with 51 Mirage and Rafale Aircraft. Greece: The Elli-class frigate Limnos of the Hellenic Navy http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/03/20/greek-defence-ministry-no-participation-in-operations-outside-the-nato/">is currently in the waters off Libya as part of the naval blockade. Italy: Four Tornado ECRs of the Italian Air Force http://www.corriere.it/esteri/11_marzo_20/tripoli-bombardamento-chiesta-riunione-onu_2e95d102-52c0-11e0-a725-dbe20f0ba2b5.shtml">participated in SEAD operations. Jordan: Six Royal Jordanian Air Force fighter jets http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90043651?After%20hesitation%2C%20Jordan%20joins%20in%20Libya%20no-fly%20campaign">landed at a coalition airbase in Europe on 4 April to provide "logistical support." NATO: E-3 airborne early warning and control (AWACS) http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/nordtrondelag/article1606878.ece">aircraft operated by NATO. Netherlands: The Royal Netherlands Air Force http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/dutch-f-16s-operational-over-libya">provides six F-16AM fighters and a KDC-10 refuelling plane. Norway: The Royal Norwegian Air Force has http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/libya/artikkel.php?artid=10091294">deployed six F-16AM fighters to Souda Bay Air Base. Qatar: The Qatar Armed Forces are http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123248695">contributing six Mirage 2000-5EDA fighter jets and two C-17 strategic transport aircraft. Romania: The Romanian Naval Forces http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-8423876-traian-basescu-sustine-declaratie-presa-ora-21-00-dupa-sedinta-csat.htm">will participate in the naval blockade with the frigate Regele Ferdinand. Spain: The Spanish Armed Forces are http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Espana/intervendra/cazas/F-18/fragata/F-100/submarino/avion/vigilancia/maritima/elpepuint/20110319elpepuint_14/Tes">participating with four F-18 fighters. Sweden: The Royal Swedish Air Force will http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/9050-sweden-offers-eight-fighter-jets-for-libya-mission">commit eight JAS 39 Gripen jets for the international air campaign. Turkey: The Turkish Navy http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/03/24/general-libya-diplomacy_8373237.html">will participate with five ships and one submarine in the NATO-led naval blockade to enforce the arms embargo. United Arab Emirates: The United Arab Emirates Air Force http://www.wam.org.ae/servlet/Satellite?c=WamLocEnews&cid=1300255413630&p=1135099400124&pagename=WAM%2FWamLocEnews%2FW-T-LEN-FullNews">sent six F-16 Falcon and six Mirage 2000 fighter jets to join the mission. United Kingdom: The Royal Air Force has http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/TyphoonJoinsTornadoInLibyaGroundAttackOperations.htm">deployed 12 Tornado and 10 Typhoon fighters, surveillance aircraft, and air refuelling tankers. United States: The United States has http://www.webcitation.org/5xJ8qNGGe">deployed a naval force of 11 ships and are using MQ-1 Predator UAVs to strike targets in Libya on 23 April.

As of this week the National Trasitional Council has been formally recognized by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_Libyan_Republic#Recognition">23 countries. France (March 10), Qatar (March 28), Maldives (April 3), Italy (April 4), Kuwait (April 13), The Gambia (April 22), Jordan (April 24), Sengal (April 28), The United Kingdom (June 4), Spain (June 8), Australia (June 9), UAE (June 12), Germany (June 13), Canada (June 14), Panama (June 14), Austria (June 18), Latvia (June 20), Denmark (June 22), Bulgaria (June 28), Croatia (June 28), Czech Republic (June 29), Turkey (July 3), Poland.

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://english.libya.tv/2011/04/25/eastern-libyans-believe-in-national-unity-distrust-au-and-turkish-mediation-survey-reveals/">The first free public opinion poll ever conducted in Libya reveals clues to Eastern Libyan sentiments
* 98 percent of the respondents do not support the division of Libya as a part of the political solution for the current conflict with the Gaddafi regime. Around 95 percent also don’t see any role for Gaddafi or his sons in a transitional period, and think it is impossible to implement any political reform in Libya if Gaddafi or one of his sons stays in power

* Around 96 percent of those polled, believe that the 17th of February revolution can consolidate the national unity of Libya and support the model of a democratic Libya based on a constitution which respects human rights

* Al-Qaeda has not played any role in the 17th of February revolution, say 94 percent of the Eastern Libyans, and 91 percent thinks it’s impossible for Al-Qaeda to play any political role in the new Libya

* The National Transitional Council is seen by 92 percent of those surveyed as “expressing the views and wishes of Libyans for change”


This is equivalent to 17% the entire population of Libya, doing the numbers very conservatively.


http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.






Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAclhhHv43s&feature=player_ded">Arab Awakening: Libya: Through the Fire is a documentary about Mo's last days, please watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg">Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help.

Mo leaves behind a wife and a newborn child she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:44 PM
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1. Libyan Revolution Day 142 updates below, current time in Libya, 3:44am Saturday, July 9
Libyan protesters carry a Kingdom of Libya flag during a rally against Muammar Gaddafi in Benghazi July 1

Photograph: Reuters / Thaier al-Sudani
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:56 PM
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2. Prosecutors ask for deal for assassin for Gaddafi, Defectors line up in Libya w. mntns, Misrata life
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ikBcR8jM4lrwgntYGiagCDf9x-nQ?docId=67afb80ca7c44e9e985014dcf384798d">Prosecutors ask to cut sentence of Muslim activist (plotted to kill King Abdullah for Gaddafi)
ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — Federal prosecutors have asked a judge to cut the 23-year prison term being served by an American Muslim activist who admitted participating in a Libyan plot to assassinate King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.

Abdurahman Alamoudi, 59, of Falls Church has been in jail since his arrest in September 2003. He pleaded guilty to illegal business dealings with Libya and admitted receiving more than $500,000 in cash from Libyan officials as part of an assassination plot.

According to court records, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi wanted then-Prince Abdullah killed after a 2003 Arab League summit where Gadhafi felt he had been insulted. At one point in the summit, Abdullah wagged a finger at Gadhafi and said, "Your lies precede you, while the grave is ahead of you."

...

It is not entirely clear whether Alamoudi's cooperation is related to the current upheaval in Libya, but it is clear that Alamoudi had extensive connections with Libyan officials in the years before his arrest. Alamoudi made at least 10 trips to Libya between 2000 and 2003, according to court records, frequently meeting with government officials there.


http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15213963,00.html">Defectors line up in Libya's Western mountains rebel stronghold
Formed by defectors from the Libyan army, the Western mountains' first National Army battalion is the most experienced group among opposition rebels fighting at the frontline close to Tripoli.

"We will capture and judge all those responsible for war crimes when we get to Tripoli. And we will be implacable."

Such was the advice of rebel military official, Abdullah al Mehdi, to "all those Libyan soldiers who have not yet defected." A colonel with the Libyan air force until last February, Mehdi was presiding over an unprecedented event in Zintan: the graduation of the first battalion of soldiers based in Libya's Western mountains as part of the newly created National Army.

The austere ceremony was held in the courtyard of Zintan's former school. The green square concrete building was turned into a prison run by the rebel council and, today, it's the headquarters of the National Army in the Nafusa mountains.


http://vimeo.com/26181926">Daily life in Misrata during war - video
Video by Rachel Beth Anderson, who says, "Daily life in Misrata, Libya will never be the same after the uprising began and the entire city was under siege. Families try to bring normalcy to their children's lives by taking them out in the streets and reassuring them the war will be over soon. Yet, the parents themselves worry of providing with lack of food, money, and the constant threat of spontaneous attacks happening inside civilian areas."



http://shabablibya.org/news/dont-call-us-rebels-2">Don’t Call Us Rebels
It was getting late for a foray to the front. There was perhaps an hour’s light left in the sinking sun. Not much time to negotiate our way up there and back before dark.

But we had run into the same brick wall that was stopping all the media in Misurata from reporting at the frontline.

The military commanders had universally decided that the press did more harm than good after one of our colleagues gave away rebel positions in his report a couple of weeks earlier.

As we hung out at the makeshift hospital just back from the key checkpoint, one of the local tradesmen, who had supported the rebels with supplies since the beginning, lodged a complaint.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:21 PM
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6. How the Libyan Rebels Came to Be Called 'Rebels,' Against Their Will
Source: The Atlantic Wire


Uri FriedmanJul 08, 2011

...


So how did this whole "rebel" thing get started? A Lexis Nexis search of English-language news sources suggests that the term was first used on February 21, less than a week after peaceful protests first erupted in Libya, by the wire service AFP, which referred precisely once to a statement from "rebel diplomats" at the U.N. Adoption grew on February 24 as the conflict grew increasingly violent and opposition forces advanced toward Tripoli, with headlines like "Rebels Hope for Qaddafi's Fall but Remain Fearful" and "Libya Rebels Isolate Qaddafi" cropping up. By early March Brooke Gladstone of NPR's On the Media had noticed that news outlets were calling the Libyan opposition "rebels" rather than protesters, and addressed the change on her show. Foreign Policy's Blake Hounshell told Gladstone that he thought the word "rebel" was rather romantic, not pejorative as some had suggested, and added that the term made sense once the peaceful uprising turned into an armed struggle. "You can't really call someone with an RPG a protestor anymore. At that point they really then become a rebel."


The backlash against the word "rebel," moreover, may soon spread elsewhere in the Arab world. In recent days news outlets have been tossing around a new term: the "Syrian rebels."


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/07/how-libyan-rebels-came-be-called-rebels-against-their-will/39738/




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 08:58 PM
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3. Another Benghazi Demonstration video
Edited on Fri Jul-08-11 09:56 PM by tabatha
Benghazi Demonstration 6-7-2011
http://youtu.be/BkdJiV4jjrI

Pro-democracy rally held in Benghazi - CCTV News‬‏
http://youtu.be/WAMpaa-N7h4

March with True Libyan Flag 01 - 2011-07-06
http://youtu.be/VLfI7EFjqYs

March with True Libyan Flag 02 - 2011-07-06
http://youtu.be/ETlgaXWoyJY
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:17 PM
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4. Thanks for that, I meant to post the birds-eye-view one, here it is:
Benghazi the Million protest birds-eye view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXYxovw2gns

And of course the other one you found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUZKg-Ge4-M

The birds eye view is very eye opening, it looks sparse on the ground but the protest-line goes several miles, easily. I have no doubt that it was in the high hundreds of thousands, certainly better than Gaddafi's threat of execution rally.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 09:21 PM
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5. 8/7/2011 - TRIPOLI UPDATE - 2
1 Within the last hours, Tripoli freedom fighters have completed a successful attack on a Katiba truck using explosives in the Zaweyat AlDahmani district of central Tripoli

2 Attempts to call on Tripoli residents to abandon local mosques and pray at green square back fired for the regime, as attempts were made to show the people of Tripoli stood by the “leader”.

Local mosques remained open despite the call by authorities, and local residents turned out in full to pray at their usual mosques in defiance of the regime.

The atmosphere was visibly positive as it was very apparent that everyone present was making an open stand against the regime.

3 The regime amassed another crowd at “green square” to rally for their cause. The crowd was not as large as previous Friday and FGMovement were in attendance to evaluate the situation. See this video for our explanation of the size of the crowd and the scenes at the square.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnWpeQKDCgA

Rest assured, people of Libya, the majority of the people of Tripoli were nowhere near “Green Square” today.

4 Verified information has reached FGMovement revealing that surveillance and monitoring teams in the capital, tasked with monitoring telecommunications, have dwindled. It is reported that control rooms, where calls are monitored, were full to overflowing during the early period of the uprising. There are now only a handful of staff members working on rotation.

FGMovement still advises those in Gaddafi controlled areas to remain vigilant when using telecommunications to discuss anti-regime activity.

5 NATO operations in Tripoli appear to have reduced considerably, but there continues to be frequent hits of the Eastern fringes of the Capital. Bases along the eastern gates of the city are being attacked which will inevitably make it easier for freedom fighters to approach the capital from this region.

6 There is unusual activity around the sewage network of the city. Men appear to be frequently cleaning the drains and sewers along main roads and side streets. Anyone familiar with Tripoli knows that the sewers and drains are the last things to be cleaned, if ever at all. If they are ever cleaned, it is during the start of winter in anticipation of flooding after just a few minutes of rain. Residents are suspicious of this activity which is being carried out behind shields and out of view. Some suspect they are searching for explosives, others suggest they are placing explosives. We will try to investigate this further, and perhaps film them.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/the-free-generation-movement-%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%A9-%D8%AC%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B1/872011-tripoli-update-2-%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D8%B7%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A8%D8%B7%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%B3/236138739743489
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 11:32 PM
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7. A More Complex Picture Of Gadhafi’s African Fighters
Speaking Wtih Captured African Fighters

At a makeshift prison located in a school in Zintan in the western mountains of Libya, the prison warden lists the nationalities of the most recent batch of Africans captured in the fighting this week.

“Mali, Niger, Mali, Niger, Mali,” he lists off.

Behind a metal door, dozens of detainees lie on mattresses covered in blankets. The room is crowded. The men, though, seem well-treated and well-fed.

Most of the sub-Saharan African men who are held here acknowledge that they were fighting in Gadhafi’s army.

But they also say they were living in Libya as foreign workers before the uprising began, and they became soldiers for hire only after being promised money or documents.

The three men who spoke with NPR are still wearing army fatigues and white T-shirts.

Issa Munir, 22, from Mali, says in broken Arabic that he came here a year ago and was working on a farm in southern Libya. He says he was conscripted into the Libyan army in June after being picked up for being here illegally, and that he was promised money and a Libyan passport if he stayed on to fight.

http://feb17.info/news/a-more-complex-picture-of-gadhafis-african-fighters/
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 12:19 AM
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8. Libya: A dissident's voice
Added On July 8, 2011

CNN's David McKenzie speaks to an opposition activist in Libya who's speaking out against the regime.

Libya: A dissident's voice 3:17
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/07/08/tripoli.defiance.cnn


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 12:43 AM
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9. Writing into history
Source: The Irish Times


Saturday, July 9, 2011

MARY FITZGERALD



HERE IS A STORY Libyan novelist Hisham Matar often tells of the regime that forced his family into exile and later spirited his father away. It dates back to the early years of Col Muammar Gadafy’s experiment in tyranny, a time of fear and purges, a time when dissidents were hanged in public as the mercurial young army officer sought to remake Libya in his own image.


It is the story of a literary festival organised, with great fanfare, by the regime. Invitations were issued to many of the country’s writers – but it was a trap. Those who attended found themselves rounded up and imprisoned. The regime did not stop there. Soldiers armed with a list of books deemed inappropriate raided Libya’s bookshops. Anything that might be seen as a challenge to Gadafy’s idiosyncratic orthodoxy was gathered up and burned.


“One of the reasons why Gadafy’s dictatorship has managed to remain in power for so long is not just because it has shown itself to be able to exact a great deal of violence, both psychological and physical, on its people, but because it has been very successful at imposing a narrative, a story,” says Matar.


That narrative has unravelled since mid-February, when protests inspired by those that toppled autocrats in neighbouring Tunisia and Egypt tipped into an armed revolt against a ruler under whom Libyans have chafed for 42 years. In the early days, when there were no foreign journalists in Libya to report on Gadafy’s efforts to brutally snuff out what were initially peaceful demonstrations, Matar set up a makeshift newsroom in his London flat. “We knew a lot of people inside Libya, a lot of very different sorts of people, that we could call and get accounts from,” he says, sitting in a Dublin hotel, his lapel displaying a pin in the colours of Libya’s pre-Gadafy national flag. “It was about getting information out. There was a real sense of urgency.”

...


Our interview stretches into a conversation that lasts a whole evening. We swap stories of Libya, mine from a five-week reporting assignment at the beginning of the uprising; Matar’s from childhood memories and the strange distance of exile. I tell him I found the last copy of In the Country of Men in my favourite Cairo bookshop after I left Libya. Reading it on the flight home brought tears to my eyes. His capturing of the brutalities, large and small, of the Gadafy regime chimed with so many of the stories I had heard during my time there.

...


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/magazine/2011/0709/1224300113146.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 01:09 AM
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10. Senegal's President Wade calls for Gaddafi to step down
Source: The Africa Report


Friday, 08 July 2011 19:07


Speaking from the rebel-held city of Benghazi, Senegal’s president Abdoulaye Wade had a message for Libya’s leader: “It is in your own interest and the interest of all the Libyan people that you leave power in Libya and never dream of coming back to power.”


Having endorsed a transfer of power to the rebels on 20 May, Wade backed up his rhetoric with a visit to their eastern stronghold and has positioned himself as the elder statesman who can ease the Libyan strongman’s exit. "I can be one of those who help you pull out of political life – and the sooner you leave the better, to save the lives of Libyans,” he said.

...


http://www.theafricareport.com/archives2/politics/5166440-libya-wade-calls-for-gaddafi-to-step-down.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:21 AM
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11. Report from the front line, east of Zlitan (Al Jazeera)
Abdul Maymen was an 18-year old student before he joined the rebels to fight alongside his uncle and his neighbours.

Watch Sue Turton's report from the frontline, east of Zlitan, where rebels face heavy losses as they advance.


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/07/20117941019938272.html


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:08 AM
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12. FACTBOX-Latest developments in Libyan conflict

Sat Jul 9, 2011 10:31am GMT


July 9 (Reuters) - Following are the latest political and military developments in the Libyan crisis.


• Muammar Gaddafi threatened on Friday to send hundreds of Libyans to launch attacks in Europe in revenge for the NATO-led military campaign against him, while rebels came under heavy fire as they renewed their push against his forces.


• Traders said on Friday oil companies in the Mediterranean are seeking at least 70,000 tonnes of jet fuel for delivery to Greece, Tunisia and Turkey, highlighting a rise in regional demand for the product and a standstill of exports from Libya.


• NATO warplanes bombed forces loyal to Gaddafi in the Western Mountains on Friday on the front line to which they retreated two days ago when rebels advanced.


• Hundreds of African migrants have been flown from government-controlled southern Libya to the capital of Chad -- the first air evacuation by the International Organisation for Migration since the Libyan war broke out.

...


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE76802Q20110709?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:20 AM
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13. Libyan rebels set sights on town of Asablah, on road to Gharyan

Libyan rebels said they were preparing on Saturday to push forward in their drive on Tripoli from the south and west in a bid to isolate Muammar Gaddafi in the ever-closer capital.


After heavy fighting, rebel fighters captured the desert hamlet of Gualish on Wednesday, taking them closer to the strategic garrison town Gharyan and the last major objective standing between them and Tripoli to the north.


For now, they have set their sights on Asablah, 17 km north of Gualish on the road to Gharyan.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-9-2011-1656




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:09 AM
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14. WRAPUP 1-Rebels brace for attacks as Gaddafi threatens Europe

Sat Jul 9, 2011 1:52pm GMT

By Nick Carey and Peter Graff


DAFNIYA/AL-QAWALISH, Libya, July 9 (Reuters) - Rebel fighters braced for further attacks on Saturday from forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi after the Libyan leader staged a show of support at home and threatened to strike his enemies abroad.

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A rebel sympathiser in Misrata told Reuters opposition forces had been moving closer to neighbouring Zlitan, one of a chain of government-controlled towns blocking their advance to Tripoli.


As they advanced, pro-Gaddafi troops inside the city fired rounds of explosives to block their progress, the sympathiser said in an email.


"The rebels are waiting for NATO backup or for Gaddafi forces to run out of ammunition to make a move to take the city centre," he said.

...


Rebel advances over the last two weeks have allowed normal life to resume in towns no longer within shelling distance of Gaddafi's troops.


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE76806120110709?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:41 AM
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15. Video: Libyan rebel parade (Reuters)
Libyan rebel forces parade through the western town of Zintan, celebrating advances against Gaddafi troops, Marie-Claire Fennessy reports

Libyan rebel parade (0:55):

http://uk.reuters.com/video/2011/07/09/libyan-rebel-parade?videoId=216888009&videoChannel=-13377&refresh=true


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:08 AM
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16. NATO hits gov't missile launchers, boats

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — NATO says its warplanes have hit a missile launching position south of the embattled rebel-held port city of Misrata.


The alliance said the strike was carried out Saturday near the town of Tawurgha. It says the missile site was being used to launch indiscriminate attacks on Libyan civilians, including in Misrata.

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The British military says it scuttled an effort by Gadhafi's naval forces Friday to conduct a raid near Misrata by firing on the troops' boats from a warship offshore.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jHJSPp1sQVgsOyCVWDn6H4hv9Tfw?docId=3804a28b14854d0a929d543a19e39edc




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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 12:35 PM
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17. This is How You Start a War: Libya's Frantic Fight for the Future
This is How You Start a War: Libya's Frantic Fight for the Future
Four scenes—and a series of photos—from the front lines of the revolution in Libya.
By Sarah A. Topol
Photograph by Benjamin Lowy
June 2011

@AJEnglish COVER THE SITUATION UNFOLDING IN LIBYA! MAKE THE WORLD AWARE OF OUR SITUATION #Feb17 #Gaddafi

Ahmed Sanalla sent his first tweet at 12:38 a.m. on Saturday, February 13, from Benghazi. He'd never tweeted before, but he figured out the language. @AJEnglish would alert Al Jazeera's newsroom; #Feb17 was the hashtag for protests scheduled for the seventeenth. At the time he wrote it, two days before the protests that would engulf the city and shortly after ignite a civil war, the med student was studying for his end-of-semester forensics exam.

Like most Libyans, Sanalla spent the previous weeks watching Al Jazeera's coverage of the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt. At the beginning of February, while Egyptians converged on Tahrir Square, he logged onto Facebook and found a page calling on Libyans to take to the streets on February 17 for their own Day of Rage, demanding basic freedoms and human rights. It did not explicitly call for Qaddafi's removal.

Sanalla was convinced that one of the reasons Hosni Mubarak hadn't fired on protesters in Egypt was the presence of the entire foreign press corps. But journalists had long been shut out of Libya, allowed to enter only on stage-managed junkets. So he called his brother Anas in Manchester, England, to talk about creating a Twitter account with the purpose of courting media. They decided that Anas would set it up from the UK—that way it wouldn't have a Libyan IP.

...

At school the next day, Sanalla told some friends that they should all go out on the seventeenth. Most told him to be quiet, keep his voice down. This wasn't Egypt or Tunisia—it was Libya. In Libya, suspicious activity is observed and reported to a Revolutionary Committee; Qaddafi loyalists are promoted for the zeal with which they report on their neighbors. "They know where you live, the plates on your car, your SIM registration," Sanalla says. "It's easy to pick you out and find you." Being a member of the Revolutionary Committee means preferential treatment in exams, training, and postings. In exchange, you are expected to vigilantly quash dissent.

Read More http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201106/libya-revolution-qaddafi-story-june-2011

Way good. Apologies if it's been posted before and I missed it.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 01:10 PM
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18. Great find.
I have a few quibbles though - there is much more to the Katiba story. Also, many western journalists learned about what was going on from Mo in Benghazi.

And the new website did go up ---- at one time I was confused by the differences between the old and the new.
The old:
http://www.ntclibya.org/english/

The new:
http://www.ntclibya.com/Default.aspx?SID=1&ParentID=0&LangID=1
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:31 PM
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19. Libya: Rebels continue to push west from Misrata

9 July 2011 Last updated at 12:16 ET

By Gabriel Gatehouse
BBC News, Misrata


Libyan rebels are continuing to make progress as they battle west from Misrata towards the key town of Zlitan, on the road to Tripoli.


After more than six weeks of stalemate, the rebels have in recent days pushed back the forces of Col Muammar Gaddafi, despite rocket and mortar fire.





Men were busy digging in. As they dug, they came under almost constant fire from Col Gaddafi's forces, some 500m away.

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Until just a few days ago, this was Col Gaddafi's front line. Now the rebels hold it and they are slowly pushing their way forward, ditch by ditch, kilometre by kilometre.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14094671




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:05 PM
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20. LIBYAN REVOLUTION DAY 143: CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:05 AM SUNDAY, JULY 10
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, UTC +1 hour, GMT +2 hours







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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:52 PM
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21. Rebels face heavy attack as Gaddafi strikes back
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/09/uk-libya-idUKTRE7681G520110709">Rebels face heavy attack as Gaddafi strikes back
Rebel fighters in western Libya faced sustained artillery and rocket bombardment by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi for the fifth straight day on Saturday.

The attacks came after the Libyan leader staged shows of support in key cities in his area of control and threatened to strike his enemies at home and abroad.

Rebels in Misrata said the death toll in the coastal town had risen to seven from six, with at least 17 wounded, after a heavy attack by Gaddafi artillery the day before.

A Reuters team in the area said rebels were consolidating their frontline 36 km west of Misrata in the direction of the capital Tripoli, but were coming under heavy fire from artillery and truck-mounted Grad missile systems.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:24 AM
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22.  CNN hero of the year
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 12:32 AM by tabatha
KhiriaElf Khiria
Nominate #MohammedNabbous as CNN hero of the year http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/cnn.heroes/nom/ #Libya #Feb17
http://twitter.com/#!/KhiriaElf

(Should probably be all of Libyan freedom fighters)


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:32 AM
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23. Sad News
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 12:32 AM by tabatha
#Libya: I have some sad news, the young woman seen in this vid was captured in #Tripoli by #Gaddafi agents a while ago, her body was found in front of one of #Tripoli's universities with multiple stab wounds today. #Feb17 -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OZoYbiWyv8 --إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/bkuueg
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 02:00 AM
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24. Rebels push to cut off Gaddafi
Source: Arab Times



GUALISH, Libya, July 9, (Agencies):

...


“We have plenty of rebels inside Asablah. NATO bombed there heavily on Friday and that stresses the (Gaddafi) soldiers and makes them more unsteady.

“We are just waiting for the go-ahead from NATO,” he added.

Following that, the objective is to head straight for Gharyan, which lies on the main highway south out of Tripoli, 80 kilometres (50 miles) away, Ahmed said.

“Once we control that city, Gaddafi will no longer be able to receive weapons from the south, nor will he be able to flee in that direction. By attacking him on two or three fronts, we weaken him.”

A second target in a three-pronged strategy is the coastal city of Zawiyah, one of the last major strongholds to the west of Tripoli.

Outside Bir Al-Ghanam, some 50 kms (30 miles) inland, rebels are also awaiting the nod from NATO so that they can take it and move forward.


...


http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/171277/reftab/36/t/Rebels-push-to-cut-off-Gaddafi/Default.aspx




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:24 AM
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25. Rebel fighters inexperienced, yet enthusiastic in southern Libya
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Rebels say they ousted Gadhafi's forces from Qawalish several days ago

• The small village is 90 miles south of Tripoli

• The fighters appear spirited, flashing victory signs and posing for photos
Aided by NATO strikes, they are hoping to unseat the longtime Libyan leader



From Ben Wedeman, CNN
July 10, 2011 -- Updated 0755 GMT (1555 HKT)


Qawalish, Libya (CNN) -- Almost all civilians have fled the southern Libya area around Qawalish, hoping to avoid the worst of the violence wracking the nation.

Yet there is a buzz around this village, which is in the hands of rebel fighters eager to defeat forces loyal to longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

Their optimism and energy are matched, in many ways, by their inexperience.

When spotters on a rooftop spy vehicles they believe belong to the Libyan army, a rebel rocket team wipes off desert grit from their weapon, oils it up and fires -- their aim, at best, approximate.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/07/09/libya.rebels/




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:00 AM
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26. Doctors return from West to help Libyan rebels at front


By Peter Graff




BIR AYAD, Libya — The Bir Ayad field hospital is in a single room with no electricity in a former roadside cafe near the front line in Libya's Western mountains.


It's a far cry from the Canadian medical center where Abu Abdullah usually works as the head of the department of cardiology.

...


Abu Ahmed, who had been volunteering in the hospital in Zintan, scrounged together supplies to set up this field station to help fighters who, he hopes, will soon advance on his home town.


"We just do first aid. We don't have electricity yet. Most of the drugs, you need a cold temperature. Here it is 40 degrees Celsius (104 Fahrenheit) in the summer," he said.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43701226/ns/world_news-africa/




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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:02 AM
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27. Government troops destroy petro-chemical plant in Brega: spokesman for Libyan rebels
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/10/c_13976208.htm">Government troops destroy petro-chemical plant in Brega: spokesman for Libyan rebels
BENGHAZI, Libya, July 9 (Xinhua) -- A petro-chemical plant in the Libyan oil city of Brega has been destroyed by the government troops, a spokesman for the rebel forces said here on Saturday.

Ahmed Bani, spokesman for the rebel forces said in a press conference in Benghazi, the second largest city of Libya, that the plant and its equipment were actually destroyed by the government troops, not the rebel forces as the government earlier alleged.

The oil refinery town of Brega lies on the frontline between the rebel-held east and the government-held west.

Bani said the blast of the plant "has not only hurt the interest of the Libyan people, but also caused pollution to the environment."
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:20 AM
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28. Kadhafi forces counterattack southwest of Tripoli: AFP

GUALISH, Libya — Forces loyal to Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi launched a counterattack on Sunday against rebel advance positions 50 kilometres (30 miles) southwest of Tripoli, an AFP correspondent reported.


Loyalist forces fired half a dozen Grad rockets into the hamlet of Gualish.


The rebels replied with anti-tank fire as they sought to maintain their grip on Gualish, a key gateway on the road to the capital Tripoli that they seized on Wednesday.

...


Meanwhile, rebel troops advancing into the loyalist stronghold of Zliten said Sunday they lost one fighter and had 32 wounded by landmines laid by Kadhafi's retreating troops.


Insurgents pressing out westward from the long-besieged city of Misrata said the ordnance was laid by Kadhafi loyalists falling back from their positions around Zliten.

...


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5ieYX5052zrd_z8ZJMQxuNk4isojg?docId=CNG.a51e0ccb6c8ecb11fbc3a0a97df80911.911




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 08:50 AM
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29. Australia pledges aid for Libya, backs rebels


July 10, 2011 - 10:54PM

AFP


Australia has vowed to keep up humanitarian aid to Libya, as a senior official from Canberra visited the country for the first time since the revolt against Muammar Gaddafi erupted in mid-February.


Paul Grigson, Australia's deputy foreign affairs and trade secretary, met members of the rebel National Transitional Council on Sunday for talks, underscoring Australia's role in providing aid and its recognition of Libya's rebel council.


"(The visit) underlines the Australian government's acknowledgment of the NTC as the legitimate representatives of the Libyan people," said Grigson.

...


"Australia is focusing on the health sector. We are the third largest donor on the humanitarian side after the US and the EU," (he said).


http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/aust-pledges-aid-for-libya-backs-rebels-20110710-1h96z.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:10 AM
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30. Gaddafi forces shell rebels south of Libyan capital

By Peter Graff

Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:53am EDT


AL-QAWALISH, Libya (Reuters) -

...


A rebel fighter in Al-Qawalish, Amignas Shagruni, told Reuters that shells had been landing repeatedly over the past 24 hours from pro-Gaddafi forces positioned a few kilometers to the east. But he said: "No one was hurt, thank God."


During a 20-minute period while Reuters visited the front line east of Al-Qawalish, at least five shells landed. However, they did not appear to be well targeted, striking ransom spots in the nearby hills.

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A spokesman for insurgents who are behind the pro-Gaddafi lines and inside Zlitan itself, said they had mounted their second attack on government troops in a week.


"The revolutionaries inside the town of Zlitan shelled the (pro-Gaddafi) brigades positioned on the coastal road on Sunday at 1:00 a.m. (2300 GMT), killing at least seven people," a rebel spokesman, who identified himself as Mabrouk, told Reuters from Zlitan.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/10/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110710




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:28 AM
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31. Africa’s Voice of Reason: Kagame and the war in Libya
Source: The Independent (Uganda)


Friday, 08 July 2011 13:36 by Bob A. Kasango

...


The AU position is that this is an “African problem” that requires an “African solution”! Libya burst into flames as the civil strife in the Ivory Coast also raged on. Over 3,000 innocent civilians lost lives in Ivory Coast as they awaited the great “African solution”. As expected, it never came because there is none. It’s the French who restored some sanity. The intransigence of Laurent Gbagbo was buttressed by the irresponsible stance of the AU.


Gaddafi has been a great beneficiary of this AU selfishness. Each time the AU publicly expresses support for Gaddafi, he murders more of the Libyan citizens, whom he calls “his people” - a detestable phrase that makes many African leaders believe they own the people they lead and so can do with or for them as they wish.


There is no such a thing as an “African problem”. The madness in Libya and Ivory Coast is a problem facing all humanity.

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President Abdoulaye Wade has made a very strong statement against Gaddafi and so has Madame President Johnson Sirleaf. But the strongest support for the UN Resolution 1973 and the NATO airstrikes in Libya have come from President Paul Kagame of Rwanda. In support of the Resolution he said, “This is not sufficient for our continent: we should be doing, and seen to be doing, the right thing at the right time - not from the sidelines of operations such as this, but right at the heart of solutions to the problems that are facing our people.”


“My country is still haunted by the memories of the international community looking away. No country knows better than my own the cost of the international community failing to intervene to prevent a state killing its own people. So it’s encouraging that members of the international community appear to have learnt the lessons of that failure.”
Strong and passionate words.

...


http://www.independent.co.ug/column/comment/4370?task=view




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 09:47 AM
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32. Horror of life in a city under siege
Source: The Sydney Morning Herald


Tracey Shelton
July 11, 2011


Four months of fighting have left Misrata with a cashless economy reliant on charity and camaraderie, writes Tracey Shelton.


MISRATA, Libya: Small children and old men work daily to clear the rubble-strewn streets. Women cook meals to send to fighters on the frontlines. Those with cars run a free taxi service for those who need a lift. Stores give away food to locals who cannot afford to pay.


This is the misery of Misrata, where four months of grinding siege have left a nearly cashless economy based on charity, camaraderie and revolution.


It is an atmosphere of hardship and heartbreak. Over half the city lies in ruins. Brothers, fathers and sons from almost every household risk their lives defending the city from the forces of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi which surround it. Day and night attacks from Grad ground-to-ground rockets claim victims indiscriminately. The hospitals are overwhelmed, attending to an average of 70 casualties a day. Fear and mental anguish are also taking a toll.

...


Since fighting erupted in the streets of Misrata on February 17 - between troops loyal to Colonel Gaddafi and anti-government rebels - Misrata has been torn apart by war. About 1200 of the city's inhabitants have been killed and more than 8000 injured. Hospital staff say that about 40 per cent are civilians.

...


Since the fighting began four months ago, Misrata has been functioning with virtually no wages being paid, yet the city continues to function thanks to volunteer labour. "The nightmares and fear will continue for many years to come, but I see a great determination in this city to make Misrata a better place,'' Dr Sewehli said. ''I admire the resilience and faith of those who have lost loved ones. When this is over, I do believe Misrata will become a great city."


http://www.smh.com.au/world/horror-of-life-in-a-city-under-siege-20110710-1h8tp.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 10:46 AM
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33. Arab youth steps in where Islamist activism failed
Source: Financial Times


July 10, 2011 3:21 pm

By David Gardner in London

...


There was never even a remote possibility that the transition from entrenched, often western-backed autocracies could be anything other than messy and prolonged, and often violent. The successful topplings of the Ben Ali and Mubarak regimes in Tunisia and Egypt are seen as peaceful – which they were in comparison to the present conflicts in Syria and Libya. Yet, in Egypt, for example, while the tactics of the Tahrir Square revolutionaries were for the most part non-violent, 850 people were still killed by regime forces, according to official figures.

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In Syria and Libya, there is almost certainly more bloodshed to come. But the power bases of the Gaddafi and Assad clans are narrowing, while opposition to them is expanding and growing in co-ordination. The real fear that seems to lurk beneath the prophecies of the naysayers is that Islamists will come to power across the region. The electoral success of Hamas in Palestine and Hizbollah in Lebanon, and a range of Islamist parties in Iraq, is often adduced as evidence.

...


But the main point is that, under the old order, despotism and Islamism fed on each other. There is nothing to lament about the passing of this perverse symbiosis. There is a lot to celebrate that in the young, dynamic middle classes of an awakening Arab world there are, against all odds, democrats to democratise with.


http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/83510bd0-aa27-11e0-94a6-00144feabdc0.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:33 AM
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34. RAF destroys Libyan weapons stash
Source: BBC


10 July 2011 Last updated at 12:00 ET


UK forces destroyed a former grain farm in Libya which was being used to hide rocket launchers, as the Nato campaign against Col Gaddafi continues.

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Maj Gen Nick Pope, the Chief of the Defence Staff's communications officer, said: "British forces were once again very active over Libya on Saturday."

RAF Typhoon and Tornado aircraft attacked the former farm, which was a base for multiple rocket launchers.

He said RAF reconnaissance patrols located and destroyed a battery of four howitzer artilleries which were threatening Misrata. A field gun was located and destroyed near Mizda.

HMS Liverpool fired at Col Gaddafi's forces on the coast at Zlitan, he added.

...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14100045





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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:56 AM
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35. Libyan girl from Yefren records events of conflict in her diary
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 12:04 PM by tabatha
The town of Yifrin in western mountains of Libya has gone back and forth between the rebels and the government forces.
In April and early June, government forces managed to occupy the town for weeks before the rebels could push them out again.

For residents, the sound of rockets has become a constant part of every day life.

All Jazeera’s Jonah Hull met one young woman who kept a diary of the days spent under siege.

http://feb17.info/media/libyan-girl-from-yefren-records-events-of-conflict-in-her-diary/


Video: Tribute to the martyred lion Ali Obeidi (Arabic)


http://youtu.be/eX06h7_ZHDk

The martyred hero Air Marshal Brigadier Ali Attalah Obeidi
http://feb17.info/media/the-martyred-hero-air-marshal-brigadier-ali-attalah-obeidi/

Ali Obeidi is considered one of the top commanders in Misrata on the western front (Dafniya). When Ali Obeidi would address his fellow freedom fighters, they would listen with attentative ears, because he would talk with such pride and dignity.

Below is the video in which Ali Obedi announced his defection back in April and his heroic escape from Mitiga airbase in Tripoli. (Press red button CC for translation)
http://youtu.be/URupiSuG6tc
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 02:17 PM
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36. PHOTO: Rebel parade in Zintan after victory at al-Qawalish

(Photo: AFP)

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 02:48 PM
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37. Libya shows tough face against rebel mountain push

Sunday, July 10, 2011

(07-10) 12:04 PDT GHARYAN, Libya (AP) --

...


Journalists based in Gadhafi's stronghold of Tripoli were taken Sunday to the mountain gateway town of al-Gharyan and the nearby town of al-Assabaa, where they were shown armed civilians and government troops who vowed to defend their land.


The towns lie down winding mountain roads not far from a village rebels said they seized last week. Al-Gharyan is the last mountain town along a highway that leads straight to the capital Tripoli, just 50 miles (80 kilometers) to the north.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/07/10/international/i120433D24.DTL




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:13 PM
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38. New York Times photos

A Libyan boy at a checkpoint near Zintan held his cousin's rifle. Weapons are in such short supply that when the rebel force advanced on Qawalish in trucks crammed with fighters, some trucks held only one rifle for every three or even four men.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/africa/2011-july-libya-slide-show.html#1
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 12:23 PM
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61. Why is no one focusing on the use of child soldiers in Libya?
I guess in the 21st century, it's OK for children to be made soldiers.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 01:04 PM
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63. Are child soldiers being used in Libya?
This is most certainly a picture of a kid visiting his cousin and trying out his rifle like all kids do.
There is nothing in that photo that indicates the child is being used against Gaddafi troops.
I have never seen young kids in any of the vehicles used by FFs.
The FFs are training MEN to fight for them - not kids. See all the reports about FF graduation from training.

But, I have heard that Gaddafi is using child soldiers, and there are certainly reports about it.
Child soldiers recruited in Libya
Geneva – The UN officials say they are getting reports that child soldiers are being recruited to fight for Muammar Gaddafi loyalists in Libya - which would be a war crime.
Unicef spokesperson Marixie Mercado told The Associated Press on Friday there is "a serious concern" that child soldiers are among the mercenaries that Gaddafi is hiring to attack rebel forces.
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Child-soldiers-recruited-in-Libya-20110311

Child Soldiers: Protection and Rehabilitation – a conference on Friday 27 May 2011
Wednesday, May 25, 2011
Recent media coverage of Colonel Gadaffi's use of child soldiers in Libya and the use of 12 year old suicide bombers by the Taliban in their spring offensive in Afghanistan has once more highlighted the continuing abuse of children in times of armed conflict.
http://www.tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/childsoldiersconference

Try again.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 02:23 PM
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68. Of course the rebels use child soldiers.
But if rebel commanders cannot stop arson, looting, and theft as recently occurred in Qawalish, then perhaps they simply cannot prevent children getting their hands on weapons.


"Young rebels carry assault rifles near Brega"


Near the front line along the western entrance gate of Ajdabiyah.

And here:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/ticket-pic-of-the-week-libya-rebels.html

https://sites.google.com/site/libyacivilcrisis1134/photos-from-libya-p
"This very young rebel, only 15 years old, is being treated by a nurse at a public hospital in Benghazi for wounds he suffered while fighting for his country"

Children have been in the ranks of the opposition military. I am sure they have also been in the ranks of the Tripoli authorities' armed forces. The question is: can a child consent to engage in armed struggle? Or is the use of child soldiers a grave violation of children's rights?


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:57 PM
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72. When you can show me a photo of a child
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 05:34 PM by tabatha
shooting at Gaddafi's forces, then I will believe you.

Your pictures are just of kids playing around or walking with their fathers, as they did when they climbed all over tanks.
The last picture is of a kid who is having trouble even holding the rifle.

Your links:
"Son of a libyan rebel poses with dad's ak-47 4-11. No disciplinary discussions necessary with this young armed Libyan rebel sympathizer. He can stay up as late as he wants, even on school nights."
It states that he is a sympathizer not a fighter, and he is holding his Dad's ak-47 not his own.
That is, he is not fighting, but he would if he could.

"This very young rebel, only 15 years old, is being treated by a nurse at a public hospital in Benghazi for wounds he suffered while fighting for his country"
The fighters with the rebels are all volunteers - they are not forced.
Some kids lie about their age, as did many who joined up to fight WWII (relatives of mine did).
The only kids who are forced into fighting are those forced by Gaddafi.

And yes, all kids should have the right to choose as I am sure the 15-year old kid did.

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Yes, there was some looting at Qawalish - but the town was empty, and as GH said:
"most of the citysens of this town are army.they flee bevore ff are in.
if you analyse the pictures you see that they leave their homes and take with them what they can.
a kind of self-looting?
ff take petrol and food"

There have been journalists with the rebels all over the country, and no looting by the rebels has been reported before this.
(I have seen many videos of Gaddafi's people looting.)
But you will take one isolated story and paint the entire rebel force with that paintbrush.
It is like taking the ghastly necklacing by a few South African protestors and painting the entire ANC even Mandela with the same brush.

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Finally, I forgot to say, "Of course the rebels are using child soldiers" is a lie.

Jeez, look how young this fighter is:

Five-year-old Libyan boy Ali Ibrahim poses for a picture with a rebel fighter's gun at the last checkpoint which allows the presence of reporters before the front line with Muammar Qaddafi troops in Ajdabiya, Libya, on Tuesday. (AP)

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:19 PM
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39. Libyan delegation reportedly visited Israel, met Livni
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 03:20 PM by tabatha
By JPOST.COM STAFF
07/10/2011 20:47

Senior delegation sent by Gaddafi attempted to alter Israeli perception of the embattled leader, passed along "digital media", Channel 2 says.

A delegation from Libya sent by leader Muammar Gaddafi recently visited Israel and met with opposition leader Tzipi Livni and other officials, Channel 2 reported on Sunday.

According to the report, the delegation of four senior Libyan officials received visas from the Israeli embassy in Paris after gaining approval from Israeli security services. Once in Israel, the delegation immediately asked to meet with Livni.

Upon receiving the invitation for a meeting, Livni immediately turned to security officials, who gave their approval for the opposition leader to meet with the Gaddafi delegation.

According to the report, Gaddafi's motive in sending the officials was to attempt changing Israeli perceptions of the embattled Libyan leader, and to try and prevent Israel from supporting Libyan rebels, who have been fighting government forces for months.

As part of that effort, the Libyans reportedly gave Livni "digital media," which she handed over to security officials.

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=228717

(Read on AJE blog that Yoni Netanyahu was shot by a Libyan sniper during the Entebbe raid. Hence, no love lost between Netanyahu and Gaddafi.)

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:28 PM
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40. Libyan rebels warn Algeria: 'Stop backing Kadhafi'


(AFP) – 4 hours ago

BENGHAZI, Libya — Libya's rebel council issued a blunt warning to neighbouring Algeria on Sunday, insisting that it must "stop supporting Kadhafi," as tensions between the North African countries bubbled to the surface.


Abdel Hafiz Ghoga, vice president of Libya's National Transitional Council, accused Algeria of supporting Moamer Kadhafi militarily in the early days of the near five-month-long war, and that it continued to support him politically.


"Our only response to Algeria is: stop supporting Kadhafi and stop helping him terrorise and kill innocent civilians and our loved ones," he said.


Algeria has not officially recognised the rebel council, nor has it called for Kadhafi to go.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h85ONAAP8JEpEEQSIA15hZSWr67Q?docId=CNG.48a6a69962f2c2126bd102a79da3c331.171




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:01 PM
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41. LIBYAN REVOLUTION DAY 144: CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:01 AM MONDAY, JULY 11
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, UTC +1 hour, GMT +2 hours







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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:51 AM
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94. Berber culture reborn in Libya revolt
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/11/uk-libya-berber-idUKTRE76A4QE20110711">Berber culture reborn in Libya revolt
In a packed classroom on a cool evening near the front line in Libya's civil war, 15-year-old Mira is teaching children to spell out the names of animals in the ancient Berber script, an act that once could have landed her in one of Muammar Gaddafi's jails.

The indigenous people of north Africa, known to others as Berbers and among themselves as Amazigh, were brutally suppressed under Gaddafi, who considered the teaching of their language and culture to be a form of imperialism in his Arab country.

They have become crucial supporters of the rebellion seeking to topple Gaddafi, with their stronghold in the Nafusa Mountains southwest of Tripoli emerging as one of the main fronts.

Berber was the main language of North Africa before Arabic arrived with the Muslim conquest in the 7th century. It is still spoken in the Sahara and in mountainous parts of Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia as well as Libya.


This went out yesterday but I think it deserves posting here, I didn't see it posted in the thread. Who would've thought Reuters' reporting would change so dramatically after being ousted from Tripoli? :shrug: :rofl:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:25 PM
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42. NATO answers refugee boat's mayday off Libya

Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:06pm GMT


• Vessel carrying pregnant women, children

• Spanish warship provides food and water


By David Brunnstrom


OVER THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA OFF LIBYA, July 10 (Reuters) - NATO aircraft and a warship went to the aid of an overcrowded vessel in danger of sinking off the coast of Libya on Sunday with dozens of refugees aboard.


NATO military officers said the vessel, thought to be carrying about 60 Libyan refugees, was spotted by a U.S. NATO aircraft about 50 km (30 miles) northwest of Tripoli in international waters between Libya and Tunisia.

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"It's got engine trouble and is dead in the water and listing," a second officer said.

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This could involve taking passengers aboard the warship or towing the vessel back to shore, the officers said. "But the refugees are now safe," one said.

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http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL6E7IA06W20110710?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 07:07 PM
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43. Libyan forces resist rebel push
Source: Sky News


Updated: 09:49, Monday July 11, 2011

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Journalists based in Gaddafi's stronghold of Tripoli were taken by government officials on Sunday to the mountain gateway town of Gharyan and the nearby town of al-Assabaa, where they were shown armed civilians and government troops who vowed to defend their land.

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Still, there were signs of resistance in Gharyan.


In numerous spots, graffiti appeared to be hastily painted over - apparently covering anti-government slogans.


Fragments remained though. The words 'Libya free' were visibly scrawled in Arabic and English in at least two locations.

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Several residents who agreed to talk with journalists appeared nervous because of the presence of government officials, their hands shaking as they spoke with reporters.


Some acknowledged there was support for the rebels in the town, though none said they knew sympathisers personally.

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http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=636397&vId=




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 07:31 PM
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44. Gaddafi forces counter-attack as rebels cut his oil
Source: AFP


Jul 11, 2011


GUALISH (Libya) - FORCES loyal to Muammar Gaddafi launched a counter-attack on Sunday against rebel advance positions southwest of Tripoli, an AFP correspondent said, as rebels cut off an oil pipeline used to supply the Libyan strongman's forces.


Loyalist troops fired half a dozen Grad rockets into the hamlet of Gualish 50km from the capital, and the rebels replied with anti-tank fire as they sought to hold a key gateway to Tripoli they seized on Wednesday.

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In its daily update, the Western military alliance said its planes carried out 48 strike sorties on Saturday, with the focus on the port of Misrata. The rebels on Sunday cut off an oil pipeline they said was used to supply Gaddafi's forces in the west. Around 20 rebels shut off the valves of the pipeline to Zuwarah refinery near Khamassa.


'The oil belongs to all Libyans, not Gaddafi. He will no longer be able to use it against us,' one rebel was heard telling loyalist forces by telephone. Meanwhile, rebel troops advancing into the loyalist stronghold of Zliten said on Sunday they lost one fighter and had 32 wounded by landmines laid by Gaddafi's retreating troops.

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http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_689395.html




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 10:41 PM
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45. "It takes some real guts to do this in #Damascus."
weddady weddady
by SecularLibya
it takes some real guts to do this in #Damascus. The defiance in their tone is boundless youtube.com/watch?v=XHmN08… #Syria

http://youtu.be/XHmN08yM3qw
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catchnrelease Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:31 PM
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46. Kick
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 12:48 AM
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47. Ben Wedeman reports from near Bir Al-Ghanem
Added On July 10, 2011
Ben Wedeman reports on how rebel fighters are harassing Gadhafi forces in Libya's western mountains.
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/07/10/wedeman.libya.from.the.hills.cnn

or here

http://youtu.be/h-DrIrSTb5s

bencnn: Went today to opposition fighter positions overlooking Bir Al-Ghanem. Town is still in hands of #Qadhafi forces. #Libya #Feb17
about 14 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 01:23 AM
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48. Reading the Rebels in Western Libya, Pt. I
Reporter’s Notebook: Reading the Rebels in Western Libya, Pt. I
By C.J. CHIVERS July 10, 2011, 11:12 pm

The village of Qawalish sits on the rolling high ground of the mountains of western Libya, a small collection of houses, shops and a mosque astride a single two-lane asphalt road. By the time the fighters opposed to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi had chased away pro-Qaddafi forces last week, the battle for this tiny place, all but unknown by outsiders until that day, had provided several scenes that offered insights into how the rebel campaign is being conducted here.

Like those elsewhere in Libya, the fighters here share a sense of common purpose: the belief that their uprising represents a long-awaited chance to topple an ossified, brutal and corrupt regime. But also like that of rebels in the east, their performance on the battlefield is uneven, often unnerving, and at times at odds with the interests of their cause.

All of this emerged in the kaleidoscopically mixed picture they presented as they pressed forward last week. In Qawalish, rebel bungling and crime played out beside pockets of militarily impressive behavior. And then matters turned worse. Ultimately, the contradictory scenes along a single stretch of road underscored a shortage of strong commanders at the front, or at least of commanders who adhered to the pledges of the National Transitional Council, the de facto rebel authority, to respect human rights and the laws of war. And this raised worrisome questions.

Minutes after Qawalish fell last Wednesday, none of the village’s residents remained. They had bolted. There were signs, however, that until the rebels had arrived, at least some villagers had been present. The bazaar was still stocked with fresh vegetables, as if it had been working while the pro-Qaddafi forces held the town. The bakery had loaves of fresh bread. And little in the town appeared to have been disturbed as the town changed hands. Then the storm hit.

more... http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/reporters-notebook-reading-the-rebels-in-western-libya-pt-i/?smid=tw-nytimesatwar&seid=auto

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:34 AM
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49. Clashes in Libya's Zliten kill 4 and injures 22
Source: Rado Netherlands


Published on 11 July 2011 - 11:08am

Four rebels were killed and 22 wounded in overnight clashes against forces loyal to Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi in the western town of Zliten, rebels said on Monday.

Rebels were advancing to the centre of Zliten, 60 kilometres (36 miles) from their western coastal enclave of Misrata, Libya's third city, they said in a statement.

The clashes flared in Souk al-Thulatha district near the centre of Zliten, a strategic gateway town for the rebels seeking to march on to Tripoli, 200 kilometres (125 miles) further east.

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http://www.rnw.nl/africa/bulletin/clashes-libyas-zliten-kill-4-and-injures-22




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:47 AM
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50. In rebel-held Libya, men find new identities as warriors
Source: Los Angeles Times



The war against Moammar Kadafi has taken over a long-sleepy mountain region, turning shepherds into fierce fighters, pastures into battlegrounds. Many wonder whether they'll ever return to their old lives.


By Borzou Daragahi, Los Angeles Times

July 11, 2011


Reporting from Kikla, Libya— He is a soft-spoken 22-year-old with a massive Belgian machine gun.


"Allahu akbar!" Radwan Othman cries out as he opens fire in response to a barrage of rockets fired by Moammar Kadafi's troops less than two miles across the valley.


Afterward he goes silent, staring into space with glazed eyes. He doesn't talk much, and his friends at this front-line position at the far eastern edge of rebel-controlled territory in the Nafusa Mountains worry about him.


Until the uprising against Kadafi's 42-year rule began in February, Othman sold women's clothes at a shop in Tripoli and had never handled a gun in his life.


"The war changes you," said Mesbah Sassi, a 28-year-old fighter who was unemployed before the war began and is among the volunteer fighters here in Kikla. "It turns you from a nice person into an aggressive person. I was a civilian. Now I have a gun and shoot to kill, and for us it's getting too easy."

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-war-20110711,0,7485060,full.story




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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:42 AM
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52. "Warriors" may be overstating
The reporter lost me at "massive Belgian machine gun".

Unless the machine gun was really massive, like a Gatling gun from an A-10, or a Phalanx gun from a destroyer, the thing is probably a little under-powered for a serious response to an enemy two miles away.

Yelling "God is great" and laying on the trigger is not the action of a warrior. It's the action of an enthusiast who does not care about wasting ammuntion. The enthusiasm is laudible, the lack of discipline indicates a need for more training.

Maybe it's just good theatre, to impress the reporters.




I shot an Arrow into the air
It fell to earth I know not where,
For so swiftly it flew, the sight
Could not follow it in its flight.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 12:01 PM
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60. Too bad - the rest of the article is very important.
about how war changes people - and usually not for the better.

I did a Ctrl/F search on "laying on the trigger" and then re-read for any phrase that had the same meaning, and could not find it.

For sure, "I shot an Arrow into the air, It fell to earth I know not where, For so swiftly it flew, the sight, Could not follow it in its flight." applies to a lot of things including mischaracterization.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:04 AM
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51. Libyan youths from Gaddafi towns join rebels


Sapa-AFP | 11 July, 2011 13:07


Scores of youths who fled towns and cities held by Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces have joined rebels on the front line in the Nafusa mountains, armed with local knowledge and enthusiasm.


The youths from around Tripoli, Zawiyah and Gharyan have trekked long distances to deliver information and moral support to rebel fighters in Libya's western mountains.


The majority of the recruits have never held a gun and have scant military training but say they have acquired a taste for freedom and the will to fight.


Shenber, a 27-year-old computer scientist from Tripoli, braved the desert for a whole day to reach a port, take a boat, enter Tunisia without papers and return to the front line southwest of the capital.

...


"They gave me a gun, which I had never used. I am not a good shot. I am only an engineer. I was afraid but I felt free. I am never turning back," said Shenber.

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http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2011/07/11/libyan-youths-from-gaddafi-towns-join-rebels




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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:47 AM
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53. Al-Barani Mansour Dakheel
Al-Barani Mansour Dakheel
Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 in Martyrs

The martyr Mansour is a 31 year old from Benghazi who was nicknamed “the lonely one” among his friends and family. This martyr lived a lonely life and faced the struggles of life alone. The only person to support him was his mother who dedicated her life to ease the struggles on her son. It is unfortunate that the struggles of life didn’t give him the opportunity to go to school nor work.

When the revolution started, Mansour decided to fight against the Gaddafi regime without telling anyone of his intentions. Before heading to the battlefield, he paid off all his loans and used the money he had left to purchase a weapon. He headed to Ajdabiya on March 14, 20110 where he performed prayers with those with him, then headed to the battlefield where they were to meet with General Khalifah Haftar. General Khalifah Haftar emphasized the return of those with no experience in using weapons. Mansour refused to return and said, “We came to win or die.” In moments as Mansour was to return with the others, Gaddafi forces fired a missile that landed on his car. Mansour was hit with shrapnel on his head that resulted in his death immediately.

He was martyred on March 15, 2011 and remained unburied for four days due to lack of freezers and the blocking of the road leading to Benghazi. He was buried in Martyrs’ Graveyard in Ajdabiya all alone, his mom and family could not visit nor see him.

This martyr lived alone and died alone, May God bless his soul and bless him with what he was denied during his lifetime.

http://feb17martyrs.com/?p=498
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:31 AM
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54. Libyan rebels battle to keep grip on mountain hamlet

(AFP) – 1 hour ago


GUALISH, Libya — Libyan rebels said Monday they clashed with forces loyal to Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi in the vicinity of Gualish, a desert hamlet southwest of Tripoli.


"There is a battle in the mountain of Zarat, near Kikla (about 15 kilometres, nine miles) north of Gualish," said Wael Brashen who commands a small rebel unit in the area.

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"Since 2:00 am, Kadhafi's forces have been striking intermittently with Grad rockets and 106-calibre anti-tank canons," he said.


The fighting broke out at 5:00 am when rebels launched a counterattack.


He said the shelling also targetted a road linking Kikla to Al-Assabaa, 17 kilometres (11 miles) from Gualish, which Kadhafi's forces are fighting to recapture.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gzFfB-Rg6k8L1N4j6qyUs_ygq7Kw?docId=CNG.5daf9b1852bed4e2e24c039d0b187f02.9d1




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:06 AM
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55. FEATURE-Libya's ragtag rebels discover discipline in battle

Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:26am EDT

• Rebels near Misrata no longer scatter under fire

• They are forming units with a clear chain of command

• New discipline helping rebels push towards Tripoli


By Nick Carey


EAST OF ZLITAN, Libya, July 11 (Reuters) - Midway through the morning, as Grad rockets whooshed through the branches of trees overhead, some of the young men of the 1st battalion Al Marsa regiment began to sing.

...


Just a couple of weeks ago, the scene would have been very different. The rebels would often rush forward chaotically, celebrate their advance by firing off dozens of rounds into the air, then scatter in all directions when government troops started firing artillery rounds.


In the farmland outside the city of Misrata, 200 km (130 miles) east of Tripoli, one of the fronts where the Libyan uprising against Muammar Gaddafi is being fought out, the rebels have found discipline.


They are organising into formal units with a chain of command, fighters are getting rudimentary training and starting to practise basic battlecraft such as digging into defensive positions and conserving bullets.


It is a change that could hold the key to victory as the rebels in this location and on two other fronts, try to push towards Tripoli to end Gaddafi's 41 years in power.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/11/libya-misrata-fighters-idUSLDE76904S20110711




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:11 AM
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56. Libyan rebels dig in as France grows impatient

Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:49pm GMT

By Nick Carey and John Irish


MISRATA/PARIS (Reuters) - Libyan rebels dug into defensive positions and hoarded ammunition on Monday, stalled in their advance towards Tripoli in a slowing campaign that is starting to irk NATO allies.

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At one of Libya's two major front lines, Misrata, rebels were dug into defensive positions and conserving ammunition, getting ready to push against pro-Gaddafi forces in the neighbouring town of Zlitan.

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"Right now we are just waiting for ammunition and getting ready to go, but in my opinion if we had more ammunition we could already be in Zlitan," said rebel fighter Ali Bashir Swayeba, a 29-year-old dentist.


While a Reuters reporter near the front said fighting was more quiet than on Friday, there were still periodic bursts of fire and an occasional explosion of a Grad rocket.


It was quiet enough that at one point a group of local children played a pickup game of soccer, although that was interrupted by nearby Grad explosion. At the nearby field hospital, medical workers said there were nine injuries, a quiet day for a front that regularly sees several deaths and a score of injuries.

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http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFL6E7IB00120110711?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:23 AM
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57. Egypt orders 14 Libyan (Gaddafi regime) TV channels off satellite

The Associated Press

Published: Monday, Jul. 11, 2011 - 7:53 am


CAIRO -- Egypt's state news agency says a court has ordered the state-owned satellite operator Nilesat to take 14 Libyan TV stations off the air.

The court decision Monday follows a lawsuit by Libyan citizens and Egyptian lawyers who said the stations owned by the regime of Moammar Gadhafi incite against the rebels fighting to topple the leader, in power for 42 years.

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http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/11/3761702/egypt-orders-14-libyan-tv-channels.html




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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:33 AM
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58. Video: Nato attack on weapons depot near Mizda
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 11:44 AM by Iterate
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1831764753452&oid=188788917808981&comments

Map shows the extent of the facility. It's just south of the larger one at Qa'laa that was recently raided by ff:
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=31.4494605&lon=12.9206944&z=14&l=0&m=b&search=mizda

Weapons from here supply Gaddafi troops in Gharyan and Tripoli. Remember, he started with 9000 weapons bunkers.

I knew I should have checked first:

Egypt court orders 14 Libyan state TV channels off air, after lawsuit by Libyan citizens
By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, July 11, 4:45 PM

CAIRO — Egypt’s state news agency says a court has ordered the state-owned satellite operator Nilesat to take 14 Libyan TV stations off the air.

The court decision Monday follows a lawsuit by Libyan citizens and Egyptian lawyers who said the stations owned by the regime of Moammar Gadhafi incite against the rebels fighting to topple the leader, in power for 42 years.

The stations are off the air until they can find another satellite to beam them.

Libya’s rebels have launched their homegrown satellite TV station in May to counter the regime’s powerful media machine, which depicts the opposition as terrorists and drums up patriotic fervor by beaming images of burning buildings hit by NATO airstrikes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/egypt-court-orders-14-libyan-state-tv-channels-off-air-after-lawsuit-by-libyan-citizens/2011/07/11/gIQAmhjs8H_story.html


A bit OT, but thanks everyone for such great work, as usual.

Sorry I haven't posted more in the past month. It has nothing whatsoever to with Libya or anyone here (the finest people I've never met), but has simply been a matter of health and some fruitless LRDPs.

Starting late Tuesday though (suddenly a week earlier than expected), I'll be off for an annual week+ maintaining a friend's nearly orphaned 1950's era farm up in the mountains (think Appalacia, not Alps). There's nothing more modern there than a ten-pound phone with a thich black cord and the occasional antenna tv, so I'll be effectively off the map with a useless laptop, an old tractor, an axe, and a pitchfork. The upside is that work after 5pm is just not done there and you're left with a terrible thirst...
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 12:29 PM
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62. So it's time for your militia group's summer exercises already?
:evilgrin:

That sounds like a nice respite at the farm, but it looks like it will be a rough week for Josh and Tabatha. I'll be away at the same time to attend a military reunion for 4 days (Thursday through Sunday) in Branson, MO. But I think our other posters will likely step in to help take up the slack.

Have a good time on the farm. With you going to the country and me going 'country,' we'll both need some remedial retraining when we return!


:hi:

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:15 PM
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71. I hadn't thought about that
It ought to at least be worth a rumor. A militia group for people who are easily distracted and tend to wander off.

I'm not happy about the timing, but maybe those will be light days, or better yet, the one where a few big tweets are all that matter. At any rate, tell your reunion buds that there's a dufus with callouses and sunburn out there somewhere raising a glass to them, Prost! :hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:05 PM
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73. Despite the code, your posting about the "farm" was transparent
And we already know the name of your militia whose members are easily distracted and tend to wander off. It's called 'F Troop.' :)

But seriously, just make sure you take care of your keyboard fingers. We need you back after your 'return to the land.'


:yourock:

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 01:07 PM
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64. Have a grand time, especially in the evening
looking after that thirst!! Hope you return hale and hearty.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:53 AM
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89. It's hard it is to tear away.
Much more difficult than I imagined.

I hope it doesn't leave you or Josh or anyone in a pinch. Interconnected world= plans change because one old coot farmer won't share his hay wagon next week.

That's the official story. I'll paddle a few hours downriver to meet GH, then back over and down the Danube, out to the Med. and Tunis, where some "travel agents" can get me into Tunisia...

Don't think I haven't considered it. See you in Tripoli.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:51 AM
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103. Please say hi to GH.
He has a remarkable family.

"my grandfather fly out 112 people to swiss between 1941 and 1944 . and recive a lot of thanks from this people after the war. his brother was killed by nazi regime 1945 becouse he resist to lead his men into a senceless attack against the us.
we are an traditional officer clan but with pride ."

Make sure the travel agents teach you Tamazight.

:-)

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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 01:31 PM
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66. Thanks for your posts to these threads
Enjoy the hiatus from modern, plugged-in world. I think we all would do well to take one every now & then. And here's to slaking that thirst come the end of the day, :toast:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 01:57 PM
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67. I'll toast to that
:toast:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:35 AM
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59. Map of areas under Gaddafi and FF control
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 11:36 AM by tabatha
This map shows the locations of Gaddafi's army and cities under his control as well as the freed cities of the Western Mountain Area.

http://tinyurl.com/6ztbtvd
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 01:30 PM
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65. Kick
:kick:
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:51 PM
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75. Libyan Revolution Day 145 updates below, current time in Libya, 1:51am Tuesday, July 12
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:08 PM
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76. Thanks, Josh
I must have spaced out--completely forgot to do the day change. Good thing you're off early today! :toast:

In Post #62 I mentioned that I have another trip coming up and will be away Thursday through Sunday. I'll try to pop in, but not having a laptop I'll be at the mercy of the hotel's guest computer demand or depending on the kindness of others to get online. At least I won't have to do militia drills like Iterate! :evilgrin:


:hi:


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:40 PM
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79. Yes I saw your comment about "carmegeddon" in another thread. You're amazing!
Please have no worries, I'll do updates before I head to work, best time to update anyway (when I'm not distracted by other DU threads). I hope you have a good trip!

And :rofl: @ the Iterate milita quip! I saw that exchange. :hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 02:35 PM
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69. Revolt revives Berbers: 'They all hate Gadhafi'


Indigenous North Africans join Arab rebels to bring down Libyan dictator

By Peter Graff




JADU, Libya — In a packed classroom on a cool evening near the front line in Libya's civil war, 15-year-old Mira is teaching children to spell out the names of animals in the ancient Berber script, an act that once could have landed her in one of Moammar Gadhafi's jails.


The indigenous people of north Africa, known to others as Berbers and among themselves as Amazigh, were brutally suppressed under Gadhafi, who considered the teaching of their language and culture to be a form of imperialism in his Arab country.


They have become crucial supporters of the rebellion seeking to topple Gadhafi, with their stronghold in the Nafusa Mountains southwest of Tripoli emerging as one of the main fronts.

...


"We are friends for now," the fighter replied, pausing for a moment to consider. "For the revolution." Anfusi acknowledges that hostility between Arabs and Berbers will probably outlast Gadhafi's time in power.

...


But in his own way, Gadhafi had inadvertently helped. The Libyan leader's crackdown on the rebellion this year had united the Arabs and Berbers of the mountains for the first time, Anfusi said.


"The people, they all hate Gadhafi."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43714950/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:02 PM
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70. UN envoy calls for redoubled efforts towards political solution to Libyan conflict
Source: UN News Centre


11 July 2011 –
With the conflict in Libya entering its fifth month and showing no signs of waning, it is critical for the parties to redouble efforts towards a political solution as well as to alleviate the suffering caused to the people of the North African nation, a senior United Nations official stressed today.


“The process of negotiating a solution has begun, though we are still, regrettably, a considerable distance from finding the solution,” Abdul Elah Al-Khatib, the Secretary-General’s Special Envoy for Libya, told reporters in New York after briefing the Security Council in a closed-door meeting on the latest developments.


“For the sake of the Libyan people, I sincerely hope the time required to reach a solution can be shortened, but this will require greater vision and the will to move in that direction.”

...


“Enough Libyans have lost their lives. It should be clear that any lasting end to the conflict will require a political solution, and this solution must fulfil the Libyan people’s legitimate aspirations for a peaceful and democratic future,” Mr. Al-Khatib stated.


“Fighting to the bitter end will only lead to more unnecessary suffering,” added the envoy, who visited the Libyan capital, Tripoli, on Saturday and held discussions with the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister.


He urged the parties to increase their focus on working towards a political solution, stating that he would like to see indirect discussions evolve into direct talks.


...


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39003&Cr=libya&Cr1=




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:27 PM
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74. Obama tells Medvedev US backs Russia’s mediation in Libya as long as Gadhafi goes

By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, July 11, 3:51 PM


WASHINGTON — The White House says President Barack Obama told Russian President Dmitri Medvedev that the U.S. is prepared to support Russian-led negotiations in Libya.

However, Obama told the Russian president the U.S. would only back the negotiations if they lead to a democratic transition and longtime Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi steps aside.

...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-tells-medvedev-us-backs-russias-mediation-in-libya-as-long-as-gadhafi-goes/2011/07/11/gIQAcOla9H_story.html




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:30 PM
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77. Libyan youths from Gaddafi towns join rebels
Scores of youths who fled towns and cities held by Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s forces have joined rebels on the front line in the Nafusa mountains, armed with local knowledge and enthusiasm.

The youths from around Tripoli, Zawiyah and Gharyan have trekked long distances to deliver information and moral support to rebel fighters in Libya’s western mountains.

The majority of the recruits have never held a gun and have scant military training but say they have acquired a taste for freedom and the will to fight.

Shenber, a 27-year-old computer scientist from Tripoli, braved the desert for a whole day to reach a port, take a boat, enter Tunisia without papers and return to the front line southwest of the capital.

.....

Among the latest arrivals is Ahmed, 25, a construction worker who was arrested at the outset of anti-Gaddafi demonstrations in February and released only recently.

“From day one, I wanted to join the revolution. I thought I would never get out alive of prison. They tortured and beat us,” he said.

Once free, he left immediately, without a word of warning to his mother. “She had begged me not to join the rebel fighters, had I told her she would have cried.”

http://feb17.info/news/libyan-youths-from-gaddafi-towns-join-rebels/#more-26621
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:33 PM
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78. Libya: Government Lays More Mines in Western Mountains
(Zintan) – Libyan government forces have placed at least three minefields containing antipersonnel and antivehicle landmines outside the village of al-Qawalish in the western Nafusa Mountains, Human Rights Watch said today.

“The government’s blatant disregard for the safety of its civilians is shameful,” said Steve Goose, arms director at Human Rights Watch. “Landmines are a weapon that will claim civilian limbs and lives for years to come.”

Government forces had apparently been positioned at the boy scout building outside al-Qawalish until rebels seized the area and the village in the early afternoon of July 6, 2011.

All three minefields are in areas with civilian traffic. Anti-government fighters have put up signs and markers to keep people from entering the areas.

Human Rights Watch observed anti-government fighters removing Brazilian-made T-AB-1 antipersonnel mines and Chinese-made Type-72SP antivehicle mines from the two dirt road sites on July 6. The antipersonnel mines had been placed atop the larger antivehicle mines.

http://feb17.info/news/libya-government-lays-more-mines-in-western-mountains/#more-26624

(Will be ignored because it is only Gaddafi.)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:42 PM
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80. Libya's ragtag rebels discover discipline in battle
By Nick Carey

EAST OF ZLITAN, Libya, July 11 (Reuters) - Midway through the morning, as Grad rockets whooshed through the branches of trees overhead, some of the young men of the 1st battalion Al Marsa regiment began to sing.

A slow, melodic and gentle version of the Muslim call to prayer that begins "Allahu Akbar" or "God is greatest," drifted along the front line.

Some of the men who were hunkered down behind the sand bank that forms the front line looked tense. Others, between songs, told jokes to pass the time. No one broke ranks.

Just a couple of weeks ago, the scene would have been very different. The rebels would often rush forward chaotically, celebrate their advance by firing off dozens of rounds into the air, then scatter in all directions when government troops started firing artillery rounds.

In the farmland outside the city of Misrata, 200 km (130 miles) east of Tripoli, one of the fronts where the Libyan uprising against Muammar Gaddafi is being fought out, the rebels have found discipline.

They are organising into formal units with a chain of command, fighters are getting rudimentary training and starting to practise basic battlecraft such as digging into defensive positions and conserving bullets.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/11/libya-misrata-fighters-idUSLDE76904S20110711
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:45 PM
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81. Insane video showing FF advance westwards to Zliten
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 07:45 PM by tabatha
http://youtu.be/gnTPh69UaVU

I look forward to the day when mankind does not have to make a lot of things explode to settle disputes. It is so childish.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:42 PM
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84. Can you imagine being a Daffy-loyalist to have that coming at you?
99% of all small munitions expended during war is suppressive / intimidating.

I too look forward to that day.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:18 PM
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85. Suppressive fire
A classic study of performance of U.S. Infantry troops in the Korean War found that a low percentage fired their weapons in a firefight. Receiving incoming fire, they were down in their foxholes, isolated from each other and from their leaders.

In response to the study,the Army instituted a program called 'Trainfire,' in which troops were trained to put out suppressive fire, even when they were isolated and didn't have targets to shoot at. The new training, which was given to troops being sent to Vietnam, was to have troops put out a 'base of fire' to suppress enemy fire. In Vietnam, the training worked.

I look forward to that day, too. I've been to war, and that's something human beings should not be doing to each other. :cry:

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:56 PM
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82. Italy is rocky shore for Europe's boat people
Gaddafi's labourers

The migrants were originally from countries like Nigeria or Ghana. They were Colonel Gaddafi's "Gastarbeiters" - his guest workers. They did the jobs that Libyans chose not to. They learnt Arabic and sent part of their wages home. They worked, but enjoyed few rights.

Why they are leaving now, and in such numbers, is difficult to unravel. Several young men said it was the bombs, the war, the fighting. But another man hinted that he had been put aboard by the Libyan government.
Arab Uprising

It was also strange that everyone we spoke to denied they had paid any money for the crossing. It is possible that the migrants are now being encouraged to leave Libya, so fulfilling Gaddafi's threat to "unleash an unprecedented wave of illegal immigration" into Europe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14103752
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:41 PM
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83. As Ramadan approaches, Libyan rebels worry about mounting odds
Source: Washington Post


By Ernesto Londono, Monday, July 11, 3:57 PM


ZINTAN, Libya — Rebels battling Moammar Gaddafi’s forces in Libya’s western mountains fear that supply shortages and other hurdles could prevent them from making major headway before fighting is likely to slow for Ramadan next month.

Rebel leaders say that limited fuel, water and food could take a toll on the fighting force as temperatures soar in the arid mountain ridge where the rebels have been slowly but steadily gaining ground on troops loyal to Gaddafi.

“It will be more difficult for us,” Col. Juma Ibrahim, a senior rebel commander, said of the period of religious observance during which many Muslims fast from dawn to dusk. Ramadan begins toward the start of August.

...


Most people are thinking only about weapons,” said Ibrahim, a Libyan air force pilot who defected and is one of the senior rebel commanders in the Nafusa Mountains. “But we should be thinking about everything: water, food, shoes, clothes, equipment.”

...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/as-ramadan-approaches-libyan-rebels-worry-about-mounting-odds/2011/07/11/gIQA4dgV9H_story.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 10:15 PM
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86. Jumblatt tells Gadhafi to leave

July 12, 2011 06:13 PM

The Daily Star (Lebanon)


BEIRUT: Progressive Socialist Party leader Walid Jumblatt urged Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi Monday to step down, saying Libyans had a right to freedom and democracy.


“It is now time for Moammar Gadhafi to depart and abandon rule in Libya so that his people can live in stability after he ruled them for 42 consecutive years,” Jumblatt said in his weekly statement to be published by Al-Rai newspaper Tuesday.


It is the Libyan people's right to dream of change and to achieve it and to head toward a new different stage highlighted with freedom, democracy, human, economic and social development,” Jumblatt said, urging the people needed to take advantage of the country’s oil resources rather than drag it into an oil conflict.

...


http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Politics/2011/Jul-11/Jumblatt-tells-Gadhafi-to-leave.ashx




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:14 PM
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87. Yes, it is pretty obvious that Gaddafi has no thoughts for the Libyans.
At all. Ever.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:48 AM
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93. Yes, I have to agree with another poster here, Gaddafi's insistance on power is disgusting.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:52 AM
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88. Misurata's Newly Famous Pizza Guy
The long-besieged Libyan port city of Misurata is usually associated with NATO airstrikes, artillery barrages, humanitarian concerns, and the occasional camel stumbling upon a minefield, which helps explain why the decidedly lighter story of a Libyan pizza maker who returned home to Misurata from Sweden has gotten a lot of traction in recent days.

We first learned about Emmad Daihy in early July from The Daily Telegraph's Ruth Sherlock, who explained that the 32-year-old chef had left his pizzeria in Stockholm to return to Libya in June. After hearing on Free Libya radio that the rebels needed food, Daihy established a restaurant in a Misurata farmhouse nestled in an olive grove, spiriting away industrial ovens from the city's destroyed hotels and asking merchants to donate ingredients and delivery boxes. Now, Sherlock noted, volunteers in war-battered pickup trucks deliver 8,000 pieces of pizza a day to fighters on Misurata's three front lines. She added that the young men who knead the dough and the boys who sprinkle cheese and tomato sauce on top must contend with falling mortars and "the rip and boom of incoming rockets," which often shake the cooking pots. The story was picked up all over--be it in Libya, the United Arab Emirates, Spain, Italy, or Australia.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/07/misuratas-newly-famous-pizza-guy/39835/
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:51 PM
Response to Reply #88
127. Such a brave man.........
Hope he makes it out okay. :-)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:50 AM
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133. Expat Pair Among Libyan Rebels Fighting For Zawiya
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/12/137799678/american-father-son-join-libyan-rebels">Expat Pair Among Libyan Rebels Fighting For Zawiya
In western Libya, rebel fighters are continuing to battle forces loyal to Moammar Gadhafi on several fronts.

Rebel commanders say one of their objectives is the city of Zawiya near the Mediterranean coast, the site of a major oil refinery. But for some rebel fighters, the battle for Zawiya is about much more than a refinery.

In the boiling sun, at a dusty concrete factory that is littered with shrapnel, members of the Zawiya Brigade are holding the line. Zawiya was one of the first cities to rise up against the Libyan regime, but because it is located so close to the capital, Tripoli, the rebellion was brutally crushed. Many who fought there ended up fleeing.

Some of them made it to the western mountains; about 300 to 400 formed a fighting force focused on regaining the city. They've been joined by expatriate Libyans — a father and son who have traveled from Pittsburgh to fight.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:57 AM
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90. Libya: Frontline folklore keeps Misrata rebels going
Libya: Frontline folklore keeps Misrata rebels going
By Gabriel Gatehouse BBC News, Misrata

There seems no imminent prospect of an end to the fighting. Yet inside Misrata itself, morale is high as the people of the city construct an image of themselves as the invincible underdogs of the Libyan revolution.

On a recent weekday evening, thousands of Misratans took to the streets of their city. "Free Libya," they chanted, as they waved their revolutionary flags of red, black and green.

Men fired their guns from the back of pick-up trucks. They were shooting not in anger, but in defiance.

Their message to Col Muammar Gaddafi and the world was this: Their city may still be surrounded, but Misratans will not give up the fight.

more... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14109000
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:08 AM
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91. Beyond disgusting, in more than one aspect.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:47 AM
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92. Libya: Paris denies claims it is in direct talks with Muammar Gaddafi
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/11/libya-paris-muammar-gaddafi">Libya: Paris denies claims it is in direct talks with Muammar Gaddafi
France has denied claims that it has changed its policy towards the Libyan conflict and is negotiating directly with the regime of Muammar Gaddafi, but has called for political flexibility over the terms and timing of his departure.

The country's foreign ministry said on Monday that the Libyan leader must go and insisted there were no direct negotiations with him, as claimed by his son.

The comments followed an interview in which the French defence minister, Gérard Longuet, urged the rebels to talk to the government in Tripoli. "We have … asked them to speak to each other," he said on BFM TV on Sunday.

"The position of the TNC is very far from other positions. Now, there will be a need to sit around a table."


Figures. Unsourced claims in an Algerian newspaper can't be trusted.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:33 AM
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95. Libyan gov. envoys tell France Gadhafi ‘prepared to leave,’ says French foreign minister

By Associated Press, Published: July 11 | Updated: Tuesday, July 12, 3:30 AM


PARIS — France’s foreign minister said Tuesday Paris has had contact with emissaries from Moammar Gadhafi who say the embattled Libyan strongman is “prepared to leave.”

Alain Juppe said that while the contacts do not constitute proper negotiations, “everyone (involved in Libya’s civil war) has contacts with everyone else. The Libyan regime sends its messengers all over, to Turkey, to New York, to Paris.

“We receive emissaries who are saying, ‘Gadhafi is prepared to leave. Let’s discuss it.’”

...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/libyan-gov-envoys-tell-france-gadhafi-prepared-to-leave-says-french-foreign-minister/2011/07/12/gIQAoUvEAI_story.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:07 AM
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96. Switzerland to open a liaison office in Benghazi

Jul 12, 2011 - 11:06


Switzerland will send a diplomat to the Libyan city of Benghazi with the aim of strengthening ties with the National Transitional Council.


In a statement on Tuesday, the foreign ministry said the envoy would open a liaison office in Benghazi within the premises of the Swiss Humanitarian Aid programme office which was opened in March.


“By sending a special envoy to Benghazi, Switzerland is signalling its intent to strengthen its presence there, and to intensify its political relations with the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC),” the ministry said.


“Until such time as a legally elected government is in place, the NTC is the sole legitimate partner for contact between Switzerland and Libya.”


http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/Diplomat_to_strengthen_ties_in_Benghazi.html?cid=30665130




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:57 AM
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97. Libya's wealthy use cash to take fight to Gaddafi

Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:49pm GMT

By Nick Carey


MISRATA, Libya (Reuters) - When the battle for Misrata began in late February, Mahmoud Mohammed Askutri started out with a Kalashnikov rifle and four bullets.


Standing alongside his former schoolteacher, who was armed with a sharpened piece of metal, Askutri spotted and shot a soldier loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.


He took the dead soldier's Kalashnikov and bullets, thereby adding much-needed firepower at a time when most Libyans participating in the uprising against Gaddafi were fighting with knives, petrol bombs and hunting rifles.


In the subsequent months, Askutri, a local businessman who owns a construction company, has formed the rebel 1st battalion of the Al Marsa regiment, which he funds and supplies with weapons and ammunition bought on the black market.

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http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE76A0DE20110711




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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:24 PM
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129. Revolution.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:29 AM
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98. Libya warns rebel-held east of water shortages

(AP) – 20 minutes ago


TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — Libyan officials warn that the lack of maintenance on the country's water system because of the fighting might mean the rebel-controlled east could be denied water soon.


Agriculture minister, Abdel Maguid al-Gaud, told journalists on Tuesday that only one of six turbines in the power plant pumping water from deep desert aquifers to rebel-held Benghazi is working.


The project, known as the Great Man-Made River, provides 70 percent of the arid country's water.


The minister called for a cease-fire to allow the turbines to be repaired.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hr6wdN70AlNPtwtASUa9IMFVzd7w?docId=a600636943024aafb69823f6ed1a09ee




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:38 AM
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99. NATO: Bombing of Libya may continue during holy month of Ramadan

By The Associated Press | The Canadian Press – 23 minutes ago


BRUSSELS - NATO says its warplanes may continue bombing Libya during Ramadan if Moammar Gadhafi's forces attack rebel-held areas during the holy month.


NATO spokesman Wing Cmdr. Mike Bracken said Tuesday the alliance would wait and see whether pro-Gadhafi units cease their operations during Ramadan, which starts around Aug. 1. If they don't "then I think it would be highly appropriate to continue to use the mandate that NATO has to protect those lives," he said.


http://ca.news.yahoo.com/nato-bombing-libya-may-continue-during-holy-month-131227648.html




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:50 AM
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100. Libya's Tribal Dyanmics
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:54 AM
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101. Hey Josh, ya see this?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:32 PM
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121. Yes, well aware of these reports which are sent to me every other week.
Even more aware of the distortions used by such reports, in particular the omission that Gaddafi has 1) forced black Africans on to overloaded boats at gunpoint, boats which later sank killing many on board 2) conscripted black Africans and "offered" them citizenship to fight. Meanwhile black Africans in Misrata are being cared for in Benghazi.

I grieve for every casualty of this bad war, but a lot of people aren't even looking at the full picture, and chose to demonize the freedom fighters. We cover everything (pinboy3niner is amazing like that). Look at the recent C. J. Chivers report about the unlawful looting of a Gaddafi-loyalist town. I think it's horrible and every one of those people deserve reparation and New Libya will have a lot of stuff to work out to maintain unity.

No side in war is pure and that's what makes war very bad. The anarchists in Catatonia psychologically tortured prisoners. The French Resistance committed atrocities (reprisal killings and the like) in a half dozen instances. I can denounce it when both sides do it, can you?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:11 PM
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123. And there were some ANC revenge-takers
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 09:12 PM by tabatha
who necklaced their own people.

But that does not mean that all of the ANC was/is bad.

That does not mean Mandela would have done the same thing.

The difference is whether the brutality comes sanctioned by the government or is done by those are not forgiving enough not to take revenge.

Long after Apartheid was over, there were still Blacks in South Africa taking revenge by killing White farmers.

Do I think all Blacks are bad because of that - absolutely NOT - I have known enough and been friends with enough to know that like all populations there are good, bad and downright evil.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:44 PM
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124. Nevermind that the Green Book (Green Libya's philosophy) denigrated black Africans.
And that Gaddafi threatened Europe that he would http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/7973649/Gaddafi-Europe-will-turn-black-unless-EU-pays-Libya-4bn-a-year.html">unleash the floodgates if they didn't pay for his bribery.

In the Green Book he wrote:

"Black people are now in a very backward social situation, but such backwardness works to bring about their numerical superiority because their low standard of living has shielded them from methods of birth control and family planning. Also, their old social traditions place no limit on marriages, leading to their accelerated growth. The population of other races has decreased because of birth control, restrictions on marriage, and constant occupation in work, unlike the Blacks, who tend to be less obsessive about work in a climate which is continuously hot."


:puke:

Here's a fascinating read (PDF): http://www.normangirvan.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/claxton-the-libyan-conflict-the-moment-of-truth-for-the-caribbean-anti-imperialist-left.pdf
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:34 PM
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125. Good grief.
"unlike the Blacks, who tend to be less obsessive about work in a climate which is continuously hot."

Spoken like a true Boer. Almost the same words.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:36 PM
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126. Very interesting read.
I have downloaded it, and will use it when necessary.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 07:38 AM
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138. You are supporting imperialism.

Gaddifi ain't no sweetheart but when has that bothered the imperialists? Only when they have ulterior motives, in this case to neutralize Gaddafi who has supported sub-Sarahan Africa in resistance against the imperials, provide them a base against the Arab Spring and of course Libya's resources.

Yes, bad shit happens in war but if you lose sight of the big picture you got nothing but nattering.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:55 PM
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128. France says Libya political solution taking shape -- What do you think?
France says Libya political solution taking shape

TRIPOLI (Reuters) - Emissaries from Libya's Muammar Gaddafi have been in contact with NATO members to say he is ready to leave power, France said on Tuesday, the latest sign of a possible negotiated end to the crisis.

"A political solution is more than ever indispensable and is beginning to take shape," French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said in Paris.

NATO powers have until now been focused firmly on airstrikes and backing the rebels trying to overthrow Gaddafi. But five months into the insurrection and with no sign of a breakthrough, attention is switching to a political solution.

Earlier, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe had said emissaries from Gaddafi's government were in contact with several NATO members, though there were no fully-fledged negotiations yet.

"Emissaries are telling us Gaddafi is ready to go, let's talk about it," Juppe said. "The question is no longer about whether Gaddafi goes but when and how."

http://news.yahoo.com/contacts-underway-libya-crisis-gaddafi-exit-france-075641156.html
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:44 PM
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130. It would be the best way to end it.
But Gaddafi cannot be trusted.
He also wants his sons to remain - in one tweet I read.
But things change all the time.

You can be assured that Gaddafi will seek the best possible deal for himself and his family, and to hell with everyone else (the rats).

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 11:57 AM
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139. What's really the greatest threat of Gaddafi, imo, is that he has show other dictators ...
that if you are well enough armed and are willing to set new precedents of

violence against your own people, evidently the world can't do much about it!!


It's that eternal struggle we've had with those who are willing to be violent --

we've never figured out how to control them or stop them!!

Violence always wins!!

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:37 AM
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102. James Wheeler is one of the more reliable tweeters
He sees things first-hand:

He witnessed the #Gaddafi thugs not only rape these 11 young women, but also cut off their breasts and murder them.

How many more untold stories.The world has to hear these stories.our arab brothers have to hear them 2 know da real #Gaddafi

@ thugs, he breaks into tears. 11 female med students were raped in the prison. And the guards raped any guys who were 'pretty'
When he describes his own torture, his eyes r closed & his voice is quiet. But when he speaks of the prison rapes by #Gaddafi
his house, car & shop, and emptied his bank account. But he still has family at risk in Tripoli. For now, an anonymous story.

Visited a tortured man from #Tripoli #Libya in a Tunis hospital today. Can't show his face or disclose his name. #Gaddafi forces destroyed
then she jumped to her death out a window. They burned his house, destroyed his car & shop. Said he had nothing to live for.
He left prison with a friend, who then commit suicide. Hung himself in Ben Gardan. #Gaddafi forces had raped his wife, and
in those early protests in #Tripoli. The bullet wasn't removed until yesterday, here at this hospital in Tunis. #feb17 #libya
Burned with cigarettes. Beaten. Ligaments crushed. The list goes on. Too much for Twitter.. He was shot in the foot on Feb 19
This man was tortured in prison in #Tripoli for 84 days. Electrocuted in his groin. Gun shafts twisted in his stomach. twitpic.com/5p0qj6
3 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/wheelertweets
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:01 PM
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107. Tales of torture and rape in Libyan prison Abu Salim – from @WheelerTweets
(Someone has compiled Wheeler's Tweets into an article.)



This man was tortured in prison in Tripoli for 84 days. Electrocuted in his groin. Gun shafts twisted in his stomach. Burned with cigarettes. Beaten. Ligaments crushed. The list goes on. Too much for Twitter…

Can’t show his face or disclose his name. He still has family at risk in Tripoli. For now, an anonymous story.

He was shot in the foot on Feb 19 in those early protests in Tripoli. The bullet wasn’t removed until yesterday, here at this hospital in Tunis.

He left prison with a friend, who then committed suicide. Hung himself in Ben Gardan. Gaddafi forces had raped his wife, and then she jumped to her death out a window. They burned his house, destroyed his car and shop. Said he had nothing to live for.

When he describes his own torture, his eyes are closed and his voice is quiet. But when he speaks of the prison rapes by Gaddafi thugs, he breaks into tears. Eleven female med students were raped in the prison. And the guards raped any guys who were ‘pretty.’

He witnessed the Gaddafi thugs not only rape these eleven young women, but also cut off their breasts and murder them. This occurred in Tripoli’s notorious Abu Salim prison. He said they were divided into groups; tortured in stages…At one point, electrocution. At another, burning. At another, hanging by their toes. At another, rape…

http://www.sandraoffthestrip.com/2011/07/12/tales-of-torture-and-rape-in-libyan-prison-abu-salim-from-wheelertweets/

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:29 AM
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104. French lower house votes to extend Libya mission


The National Assembly voted overwhelmingly to grant further funding for the military operation nearly four months after French planes started bombing troops loyal to Gaddafi in eastern Libya, with 482 deputies voting in favour and 27 against.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/12/france-libya-vote-idUSP6E7I103020110712



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:09 PM
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105. Libya rebel minister opens Western Mountains air link

Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:47pm GMT


• Rebel predicts "breakthrough" within days against Gaddafi

• Air strip will allow rebels to bring supplies

• Rebels have scored successes in recent weeks


By Peter Graff


RHEBAT, Libya, July 12 (Reuters) - A senior minister in the Libyan rebel Transitional National Council opened an airfield on Tuesday linking the rebel capital Benghazi with a remote Western Mountain stronghold south of Tripoli, and promised a military breakthrough within days.


Ali Tarhouni, oil and finance minister in the council opposing Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, arrived and departed by air at the Rhebat air strip, a stretch of mountain highway, where a giant yellow arrow painted on the tarmac marks out the runway, next to a blue and white shack flying the rebel flag.


He told Reuters he was bringing aid to the mountains, a region where the rebels have made significant military gains in the last few weeks against Gaddafi's forces and are preparing for another major advance.


"I am hoping you will hear very good news in the next 24-48 hours on all fronts, economic, military, all fronts."


Asked later to clarify, he said he said he was expecting a "military breakthrough" that would see Gaddafi driven from power by the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, which begins in about two weeks.


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http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE76B1CF20110712?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:57 PM
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106. Gaddafi regime seeks conditions for exit
Source: Financial Times


July 12, 2011 6:39 pm

By Peggy Hollinger in Paris and Roula Khalaf and James Blitz in London


Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has suggested he would be willing to step aside if certain conditions were met, according to people familiar with unofficial contacts between the Libyan regime and members of the Nato-led coalition supporting the country’s rebels.


Col Gaddafi’s demands include being allowed to remain in Libya. The parties have also discussed whether International Criminal Court charges against the Libyan leader could be dropped. However, one person close to the coalition said such a highly controversial move would only be examined if the Libyan leader stepped down.

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People close to the international coalition cautioned that the colonel’s moves could be designed to buy him time rather than strike a deal. The regime, moreover, appears to be insisting that the colonel’s son Seif is allowed to play a role in any post-Gaddafi transition.


“Gaddafi thinks the international alliance is losing patience so he’s making contacts but he’s not serious,” said one person. “Only when the rebels get closer to Tripoli will real negotiations begin.”

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http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5c374204-aca1-11e0-a2f3-00144feabdc0.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:45 PM
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108. Libyan rebels make gains against Gaddafi forces in western mountains


Weeks of fierce fighting sees troops consolidate positions less than 100 miles from the capital, Tripoli

David Smith in Qawalish, Libya
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 12 July 2011 19.23 BST


...


The advance in the Nafusa mountains has raised hopes of a significant breakthrough for rebels striving to reach Tripoli and topple Gaddafi. Whereas the battlefields in eastern Libya have reached a virtual stalemate, rebel soldiers have seized 25 miles of this arid, hot, rocky terrain in recent weeks, putting government troops on the defensive.


But it is a hard campaign, an attritional struggle unlikely to meet Nato's timetable for an end to the war, especially with a further slowdown expected for Ramadan next month. The rebels are forced to consolidate their incrementalgains before they can think about moving forward.

...


The next major prize, about 30 miles away, is Gharyan, a heavily fortified city 60 miles south of Tripoli along a government-controlled road. A previous uprising in Gharyan was brutally crushed but it is believed that rebel sympathisers remain. Capturing it would sever a crucial supply route to the capital and could potentially break the will of Gaddafi's army.


Colonel Juma Ibrahim, of the military council in western Libya, said: "Gharyan is the capital of the western mountains. When we finish Gharyan, all the western mountains are under our control. There is no other way to Tripoli."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/12/libya-rebels-fighting-near-tripoli




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:14 PM
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109. Gaddafi's government warns of food shortages

Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:19pm GMT


TRIPOLI, July 12 (Reuters) - Libya could face a shortage of food because a lack of fuel has prevented it from bringing in most of this season's grain harvest, Muammar Gaddafi's agriculture minister said on Tuesday.


Libya has struggled to maintain supplies of motor fuel and some foodstuffs since a rebellion against Gaddafi's rule in February escalated into a civil war.


"It is harvest time and we just harvested 20 percent (of the crop) because we do not have means of transport because of the fuel shortage," Agriculture Minister Abdul Almajeed Elgowood told reporters.

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http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFCHI24462920110712




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 02:57 PM
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110. Libya's rebels prepare for critical battle on road to Tripoli



Libya's rebels say they are poised to launch an imminent attack on a strategic garrison town near Tripoli whose fall could turn the tide in their campaign against Muammar Gaddafi.

By Adrian Blomfield, Qawalish

7:27PM BST 12 Jul 2011



After months of stalemate, opposition fighters have begun to make slow but steady gains in the Jebel Nafusa, a sand-swept mountain range in Libya's west that is increasingly seen as the most promising of the rebels' three principal battlefields.


The prize now lying in front of them is Garyan, a heavily fortified town whose capture would bring the rebels within 50 miles of the capital city and hand the opposition control of the main southern road leading from the capital.


The planned assault to liberate the Nafusa's biggest town represents the most ambitious offensive since the rebels finally captured Libya's third city of Misurata at the end of May.


Senior rebel commanders said they believed an attack could come "within days".


But the challenge of taking Garyan, said to be defended by thousands of Khamis brigade soldiers, is likely to prove far sterner still.

...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8633279/Libyas-rebels-prepare-for-critical-battle-on-road-to-Tripoli.html




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:30 PM
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111. Gaddafi recruiting women and children.
Gharyan - Gaddafi recruits his last loyalists but not nearly ready to hold FF advance
http://youtu.be/0bT1M0pmPx4
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:32 PM
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112. Factbox: Libya's military: what does Gaddafi have?

Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:29pm EDT

(Reuters) -

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* GROUND FORCES - REALITY:

-- Even before the uprising, Libya's military was undermined by sanctions and neglect although Western powers had begun to sell it weapons again. Much equipment is poorly maintained or unusable, leaving it hard to estimate genuine numbers.


-- Analysts have said Gaddafi tried to emasculate the regular army to avoid the emergence of commanders who might rival his immediate family, relying instead particularly on three loyal "regime protection" units often of his own tribe.


-- That leaves him with what most estimated to be some 10-12,000 loyal Libyan troops. The most reliable formation is seen to be the 32nd Brigade commanded by Gaddafi's son Khamis.


-- Repeated reports from witnesses, rights groups and others talk of African mercenaries flown in by Gaddafi to help put down the revolt. Exact numbers are impossible to obtain.

...


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/12/us-libya-military-idUSTRE76B67P20110712



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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:57 PM
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114. World defence list the Libyan OoB as:
Libyan Army

MBT:
145 T72 (Sov)
280 T62 (Sov)
460 T54/55 -250 in reserve (Sov)

AFV:
740 BMP1 (Sov)
540 BTR50/60 (Sov)
100 OT-62/64 (Cze/Pol)
118 EE11 URUTU (Bra)
35 M113 (USA)

Armored cars:
242 BRDM2 (Sov)
370 EE9 CASCAVEL (Bra)
100 FIAT 6616 (Ita)
200 FIAT 6614 (Ita)
AML90 (Fra)

AA-guns:
110 M53/M59 (Cze)
450 23mm (Sov)
CROTALE -SAM (Fra)
SA6/7/9/13 (Sov)

Artillery:
18 M109 155mm (USA)
158 PALMARIA 155mm (Ita)
55 2S3 AKATSIA 152mm (Sov)
120 DANA 152mm -wheeled vehicle (Cze)
The towed artillery is a mix of 650 US and Soviet antiques mostly.

Army aviation:
5 AB206 (USA)
8 Alouette III (Fra)
16 CH47C (USA)


Libyan Navy

Frigates:
2 KONI (Sov)

Corvettes:
3 NANUCHKA II (Sov)

Light Forces:
9 COMBATTANTE II (Fra/FRG?)
12 OSA II (Sov)

Minewarfare:
8 NATYA (Sov)

Amphibious:
3 POLNOCNY -LCT (Sov)
4 Ibn Al Idrissi (Pol)
20 C107 -LCT (???)

Naval aviation:
12 Mil4 -ASW (Sov)
12 SA.321 Super Frelon -ASW/SAR (Fra)


Libyan Airforce

Combat:
15 SU 24 Fencer -Strike (Sov)
80 MIG 23 (Sov)
40 SU 20/22 (Sov)
16 MIG 21 (Sov)
20 Mirage F1 (Fra)
26 J1 Jastreb -COIN (Yug)

AF-Transport:
7 C130H (USA)
15 L-410 (Cze)
1 Boeing 707 (USA)
10 AN 26 (Sov)
14 IL 76 (Sov)

AF-Helicopters:
4 Alouette III (Fra)
7 MI 8 (Sov)
40 Mi 24/35 (Sov)
12 A109 (U-K)
42 MI 4 (Sov)

AF-Training:
15 MIG 23U (Sov)
6 Mirage F1B (Fra)
84 GALEB (Yug)
4 MIG 25U (Sov)
12 CM 170 MAGISTER (Fra)
136 L39 ALBATROS (Cze)
80 SF-260W (Ita)

SAM:
CROTALE -SAM (Fra)
SA2/3/6/10/13 (Sov)

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:52 PM
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113. Libya’s other crisis: 2 million children at physical and emotional risk as conflict drags on
Source: UNICEF


By Christopher Tidey


BENGAZHI, Libya, 12 July 2011 – After months of media coverage of the conflict in Libya, one could be forgiven for thinking that the country is devoid of children. The vast majority of images in the media feature soldiers on the front lines, a defiant Muammar Gaddafi, NATO fighter jets streaking across the skies, and queues of mostly male migrant workers crossing the borders into Tunisia and Egypt.


Before I left for Benghazi, a colleague asked me sarcastically why I was going to cover the crisis for UNICEF when it was clear from newspaper and television reports that there were no children in Libya anyway.


Of course, there are children in Libya. In fact, there are more than 2 million of them under the age of 18, accounting for roughly a third of the entire population. As the conflict drags into its fifth month, they are feeling its impact more deeply every day. This is undoubtedly a children’s crisis.

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http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/laj_59204.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 04:43 PM
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115. American Father, Son Join Libyan Rebels
Source: NPR (All Things Considered)


by Lourdes Garcia-Navarro

July 12, 2011


A father and son from Pennsylvania are now in the western mountains of Libya to fight for their family's hometown of Zawiya. The father left Libya when he was a teenager to study in the U.S., marrying an American and settling down on the East Coast. His son is 21 and in his last year studying chemical engineering at the University of Pittsburgh. But when they saw what was happening in Libya, they came to fight. Even though they have no previous military training, they are manning the front lines.


Audio for this story from All Things Considered will be available at approx. 7:00 p.m. ET.


http://www.npr.org/2011/07/12/137799678/american-father-son-join-libyan-rebels#




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 05:02 PM
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116. LIBYAN REVOLUTION DAY 146: CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:01 AM WEDNESDAY, JULY 13
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, UTC +1 hour, GMT +2 hours







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:38 PM
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117. Libyan military falling apart?

Added On July 12, 2011

Libyan prisoners of war say their former army is disintegrating. CNN's Ben Wedeman reports (2:18):

http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2011/07/12/wedeman.libya.prisoners.cnn



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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:16 PM
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118. Libya's rebel fighters form united command


July 13, 2011 - 9:34AM

AFP

Libya's ragtag rebels said they had moved a step closer to becoming a coherent military force, as they announced a unified command structure for the first time.


After more than four months of battle against strongman Muammar Gaddafi's regime, fighters from the volunteer brigades said on Tuesday they would now fall under the command of the minister of defence, Jalal al-Digheily.


"Now the national army and the union of revolutionary forces have come under the ministry of defence," said Fawzy Bokatif, a rebel commander.


"This union comprises all the revolutionary forces which are present at the front lines," he added.

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http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/libyas-rebel-fighters-form-united-command-20110713-1hcm5.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:21 PM
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119. Libyan Rebels Accused of Pillage and Beatings in Towns They Captured
Source: New York Times


By C. J. CHIVERS

Published: July 12, 2011


ZINTAN, Libya — Rebels in the mountains in Libya’s west have looted and damaged four towns seized since last month from the forces of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, part of a series of abuses and apparent reprisals against suspected loyalists that have chased residents of these towns away, Human Rights Watch said Tuesday.

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A rebel near Qawalish on Tuesday confirmed Colonel Farnana’s view, saying that the rebels had instructions not to “break anything or burn houses,” but that orders ran up against the realities of waging war with a nonprofessional, quasi-military force.

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Such rebels actions, however, have paled next to the abuses of Colonel Qaddafi’s forces, which have fired on unarmed demonstrators and used artillery, rocket batteries and mortars against many rebel-held cities and towns.


Phones taken from dead or wounded soldiers have yielded images that strongly suggested that some of Colonel Qaddafi’s units have executed detainees. The colonel’s forces have also ransacked and looted homes and businesses on many fronts throughout the war.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/13/world/africa/13libya.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:30 PM
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120. AP Sources: Rebels Gaining on Gadhafi Regime

By KIMBERLY DOZIER
AP Intelligence Writer

WASHINGTON July 13, 2011 (AP)


Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi is facing dramatic shortages of fuel for his soldiers and citizens in Tripoli, and he is running out of cash to pay his forces and what is left of his government, according to the latest U.S. intelligence reports. In France, the foreign minister reported that Gadhafi is prepared to leave power.


Rebel forces that captured towns from Nalut to Kikla in Libya's western Nafusa mountains cut a key crude oil pipeline that feeds one of the regime's major refineries in the town of al-Zawiya, U.S. officials told The Associated Press. They cited U.S. intelligence estimates that fuel shortages could occur within as little as a month.


The cash shortage follows Turkey's move last week to seize hundreds of millions of dollars held in the Arab Turkish Bank
, the U.S. officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters of intelligence.

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Intelligence analysts are pointing to the collection of indicators, including territory seized and looming fuel and money shortages, as the first shift from stalemate to momentum for the rebels since the conflict began in mid-March, the U.S. officials said.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=14058404




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:06 PM
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122. This Is War: Watch the Libyan Revolution Explode through the Lens of a Helmet Cam — Part I
This Is War: Watch the Libyan Revolution Explode through the Lens of a Helmet Cam — Part I

Humphrey Cheung — Humphrey Cheung worked in tech journalism and IT for years. Then, this spring, he had enough. But instead of switching jobs, he strapped on a digital camera, armor, and flew to Libya. This is what a real rebellion looks like.

What you'll see here is a unique crawl through the battle against Qaddafi from the helmet-mounted GoPro Hero attached to Humphrey—a digital camera imagined for ski slopes and skate parks, not warzones. You'll see rebels fighting not in fatigues and IR goggles, but in jeans and t-shirts. They're not outfitted with anything resembling a modern arsenal, but with whatever they can scrape together. Jeep and tank hybrids, welded together. Scavenged anti-aircraft guns stuffed onto the backs of pickups. Rusty tech refuse that works—most of the time. And you'll see it as the rebels see it every day. Improvised, dirty, and effective—and only possible to see like this because of an age in which you can capture hours of HD footage from a little box on your head.

Today we bring you part one of the Battle of Galaa—the rest will follow every day this week. Below, Humphrey's first-person account of to go with his first-person footage.

http://gizmodo.com/5819801/this-is-war-watch-the-libyan-revolution-explode-through-the-lens-of-a-helmet-cam%E2%80%94part-i

The Rebels are being watched by a LOT of "reporters".
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:07 AM
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131. Libya's Khadafy eyes exit
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/dafy_eyes_exit_CG0dCmlT82EQKzSom4R4qI">Libya's Khadafy eyes exit
TRIPOLI, Libya -- Moammar Khadafy is ready to leave power, emissaries have told French officials -- the latest sign that contacts were under way between the Libyan leader and NATO members to end the crisis.

"Emissaries are telling us, 'Khadafy is ready to go, let's talk about it,' " French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said, without revealing who the emissaries are. "The question is no longer about whether Khadafy goes but when and how."

NATO powers until now have been focused on launching airstrikes in support of the rebels who are trying to overthrow Khadafy, but five months into the insurrection and with no sign of a breakthrough, attention is switching to a political solution.

"Everybody is in contact with everybody. The Libyan regime is sending messengers everywhere, to Turkey, New York, Paris," Juppe said on France Info state radio.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:26 AM
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132. NATO, EU in talks with Libyan opposition
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jt9oYwXsDdbp2cRiW1jEl04z6P-Q?docId=6069c9a70bbc4916ba621ba0e31204d2">NATO, EU in talks with Libyan opposition
BRUSSELS (AP) — A delegation of Libya's National Transitional Council headed by its diplomatic chief Mahmoud Jibril is meeting with top NATO officials as the allied bombing campaign nears the end of its fourth month.

NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said the meeting would be an opportunity to hear from the Libyan opposition "about how they see the situation on the ground and how they see the way ahead."
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:52 AM
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134. Three more EU nations recognise Libya rebels
http://www.expatica.com/be/news/belgian-news/three-more-eu-nations-recognise-libya-rebels_162839.html">Three more EU nations recognise Libya rebels
Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands recognise the opposition National Transitional Council as the Libyan people's legitimate representative, the Belgian foreign minister said Wednesday.

"We recognise the NTC as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people during the transition period," Steven Vanackere told reporters before meeting with a rebel delegation along with his Dutch and Luxembourg counterparts.

The delegation, led by NTC leader Mahmud Jibril, held talks earlier Wednesday with NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen and the alliance's 28 ambassadors at NATO headquarters.


Jibril is an interesting force, he's still maintaining 3 recognitions a week.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:59 AM
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135. Rebels clash with Gaddafi troops south of Tripoli
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43736861/ns/world_news-africa/">Rebels clash with Gaddafi troops south of Tripoli
AL-QAWALISH, Libya — Forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi appeared to have launched an offensive on Wednesday to retake the frontline village of al-Qawalish seized by rebels last week.

One rebel fighter said the fighting started after a rebel unit tried to advance to the town of Garyan, which controls access to the main highway leading north into the capital Tripoli, less than 100 km (60 miles) away.

"The other side was ready and they were planning for this," one fighter said.

Another fighter, on the western edge of the city, said: "We ran out of bullets and we had to pull out."
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:01 AM
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136. Rebels gaining on Gaddafi
http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=637560&vId=">Rebels gaining on Gaddafi
Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi is facing dramatic shortages of fuel for his soldiers and citizens in Tripoli, and he is running out of cash to pay his forces and what is left of his government, according to the latest US intelligence reports.

Rebel forces that captured towns from Nalut to Kikla in Libya's western Nafusa mountains cut a vital crude oil pipeline that feeds one of the government's major refineries in the town of al-Zawiya, US officials told The Associated Press. They cited US intelligence estimates that fuel shortages could occur within as little time as one month.

The cash shortage follows Turkey's move last week to seize hundreds of millions of dollars held in the Arab Turkish Bank, the US officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity.

While the Libyan strongman could not access actual cash, he had been issuing letters of credit to pay his debtors, including fuel importers, the US officials said.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:12 AM
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137. Week 21 part 2 here:
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