How bad could Obama's Social Security compromise be if Howard Dean supports it?

[LoZoccolo]

[Electric Monk]

1. I doubt Howard Dean will ever be dependent on Social Security

but he is a career politician who knows when to tow the party line.

So, I dunno, how bad could it be, in that context? You tell us.

[LoZoccolo]

3. If he's dependant on anything, it's Democracy For America which tends to veer left.

[gateley]

4. Dean has not been one to toe the party line - he's outspoken

in his criticism which is why I think the Obama administration has essentially given him the cold shoulder x(

[Liberalynn]

7. Exactly

as long as your not the one depending on it, its not that bad.

Just screw all the people who are. :sarcasm:

Roosevelt is rolling over in his grave, saying " I gave you something good and decent, and right, and you screwed it up!" :wtf:

[gateley]

11. You honestly think Dean doesn't care about the recipients of

Social Security because he won't be dependent on it? Really?

He's the first one I heard express concern about Medicaid, and I doubt his kids needed it.

Boy, tough crowd.

[Liberalynn]

40. Do you honesty believe any of them give a damn anymore about any one but the rich?.

that's what I am coming to truly believe. As long as they can keep collecting their consulting and talking head fees and the ones in office can keep filling their re-election coffers, none of them actually care what happens to the country or its people.

There is no damn pony. Its all just a pile of manure being piled on thicker and thicker by both sides.

This is sure not the party my professor used to teach about.

The whole "ask not what your country can do for you but you can do for your country."

The party of FDR.

Maybe I am just too tired, depressed, and scared and my cyncism will ebb somehow, someway, but right now, I feel like that song in 1776. "Does anybody care? Is Anybody There?"

[gateley]

50. Yeah I do. Dean, for one. Bernie for another. And there

are more but whose names I don't have in my memory.

The Republican Party isn't the same any more either. It's all fucked up across the board.

But I do think there are those who truly care. I saw a guy from Colorado on TV earlier, and I can't remember if he's a Senator or Congressman, but I'll add him to the 'good guys' list.

I know it's frustrating. And heartbreaking. But I'm still hopeful we can swing this back somehow before we TOTALLY implode. Don't NOT fight. To paraphrase those Teabaggers, We Want Our Country Back, and we have to keep on keepin' on.

:hug:

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. Progressive icon and beacon and everything good and just progressive Dean

isn't calling for Obama's head right at this very moment?!!!

:wow:

I guess he must've just drunk the Kool-Aid. Why, he must just be giddy that Social Security is about to be cut!!!

Do I need the sarcasm thingy?

:wtf:

[ProgressIn2008]

25. Ah. Well put. nt

[gateley]

2. Dean's support put my mind SOMEWHAT at ease, making me realize I

don't know all that's going on (imagine that).

He also stressed AT THIS POINT, saying who knows what the final agreement will be...

I saw him yesterday which is what I'm referring to. Have you seen him since? Or, do you remember more of what he said?

Thanks.

[LoZoccolo]

6. I rarely watch TV so I haven't seen him much at all.

[gateley]

9. So where did you see/hear about Dean? I've been half ass quoting

him but I invariably get it wrong or leave big gaps.

[LoZoccolo]

10. I heard it from people talking about it here.

[CakeGrrl]

19. Here's the thread with his quote and video:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1439863

[pscot]

26. Thanks

I trust Dean, but I still want to see the final deal.I also feel better having Pelosi at the table.

[TomClash]

5. What exactly is "Obama's compromise?"

And what about the other programs?

[LoZoccolo]

8. It's something of a rumor.

[TomClash]

12. So the we don't really know what it is exactly nt

[Fire1]

14. Exactly!! All rumors and conjecture. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. IOW, Dean doesn't know what he's talking about, either.

You castigate people on this forum for talking without knowledge - yet use Dean doing the same as if that somehow is any different.

[FreakinDJ]

15. Howard Dean supports "Strengthening Social Security"

Nancy Pelosi is worried they'll Raise the Cap and use surplus funds to fund additional Tax Cuts

[Dept of Beer]

16. So there is a compromise with the pubbies then?

Why should there be a compromise? Screw the GOP and their threats.

[DJ13]

17. He eventually supported the HCR mandates too

There are times I think he is really defending the party's image instead of criticizing what he knows is wrongheaded.

[MannyGoldstein]

18. Suddenly, Howard Dean is your hero

Fascinating.

[Electric Monk]

20. ROFLMAO

:applause:

[CakeGrrl]

24. And suddenly, Howard Dean was 'unfriended' by others:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1441075

[LoZoccolo]

33. My posts from 2003 to early 2004 establish that I was a Dean supporter.

[MannyGoldstein]

37. How about since 2004?

Thanks.

[LoZoccolo]

41. I don't remember him running in 2008.

[MannyGoldstein]

43. If I do a search, will I see that you've dissed him,

called him "increasingly irrelevant", or similar? Will I see posts supporting him?

[LoZoccolo]

46. I'm not really "either/or" on him.

[MannyGoldstein]

47. OK, I did a search - looks like you win this round

:toast:

[Unvanguard]

21. I have never cared in the slightest what Howard Dean thinks. n/t

[Karmadillo]

22. Dean once suggested raising the retirement age for Social Security to 70,

so one may want to think twice before following him in supporting Obama's approach.

http://www.slate.com/id/2086804/

Whopper of the Week: Howard Dean
"Oh, that statement about raising the retirement age …"
By Timothy Noah
Posted Friday, Aug. 8, 2003, at 1:16 PM ET

"Dennis Kucinich: <M>y good friend, Mr. Dean, has said that he'd move the retirement age to 68. One time he talked about moving it to 70.

"Howard Dean: <edit> "I'm not going to go back and ask you to change the rules, but I think I'll take 20 seconds just to tell everybody that I have never favored Social Security retirement at the age of 70, nor do I favor one of 68."

<edit>

"The way to balance the budget, Dean said, is for Congress to cut Social Security, move the retirement age to 70, cut defense, Medicare and veterans pensions, while the states cut almost everything else. 'It would be tough but we could do it,' he said."

—News story on a breakfast meeting Dean held with reporters by Miles Benson, Newhouse News Service, March 3, 1995

"Just six weeks ago, Dean told NBC, 'I would also entertain taking the retirement age up to 68.' "

—Deborah Orin, "Is Dean Being Honest? Well, Define 'Honest,' " New York Post, Aug. 8

more...

[ProgressIn2008]

23. I couldn't give a tinker's damn what Howard Dean supports. Bullshit is bullshit. nt

[tekisui]

27. Dean is not my standard. I will judge it when made known.

It could still be very bad.

[LoZoccolo]

34. I'm not promoting him as a standard, but using him as an index.

[tekisui]

39. He's neither?

:shrug:

I don't defer to personalities. I evaluate each policy action based on its merits and faults. You assumption that people are loyal to personalities tells more about you.

[LoZoccolo]

42. For the second time, I am not promoting him as a standard, but an index.

[tekisui]

44. For the second time, it is still irrelevant. Why not judge issues and policies

independent of personalities?

[LoZoccolo]

45. You can do that if you want and I'm not telling anyone not to.

[U4ikLefty]

28. Swing...and a miss!

[TheKentuckian]

29. I don't need "icons" or "leaders" to tell me what to think.

I'm not open to "not too bad" and respect no flesh and blood enough to be moved on fucking Social Security.

My language isn't even being spoken, the age must be lowered and folks need their little money to keep pace with the cost of things like utilities, food, and fuel.

[LoZoccolo]

35. See post #34.

[abq e streeter]

30. I am a Howard Dean admirer in general, but he's not perfect, by a long shot.

He also supported moving the Islamic center in NYC, among other positions I disagreed with. How bad could it be? Judging from the incessant caving of this president and the "leadership" of my party, it could be very bad. I'm withholding judgement for the time being, until I see how it all shakes out, but I have learned the hard way to expect some combination of spinelessness, capitulation , or worse, collaboration with the repubs for quite a while now. I'm hoping still to be pleasantly surprised by the final outcome, but unfortunately, it's come to where it'd be a surprise.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Dean is not my idea of a standard to follow

I had to call his office once when he was chairman and he was running all over TV saying the DNC platform had a plank against marriage equality, which was a full tilt lie, or worse, a mistake about an important aspect of the platform of the Party he allegedly headed. No, Howie has his moments, but he runs off at the mouth about things he is incorrect about. Not the sharpest blade in the box.

[LoZoccolo]

36. See post #34.

[kath]

38. Didn't he eventually support the Insurance Company Profit Protection Act too?

[neverforget]

48. Howard Dean doesn't think for me. Nor does anyone else.

I think for myself and this is a bullshit deal.

[demwing]

49. Just because Dean is a GOOD guy, doesn't make him CORRECT

He's made some errors in the past, and this may be just another example...