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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:05 PM
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Loughner's supposed manifesto
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 09:06 PM by Ellipsis




Classitup10 writes –> Hello, and welcome my classified leak of information that’s of the United States Military to the student body and you. Firstly, I want you to understand this from the start. Did you know grammar is double blind, listener? Secondly, if you want to understand the start of revelatory thoughts then listen to this video. I’ll look at you mother fuckin Anarchists who have a problem with them illegal illiterate pigs. :-D If you’re a citizen in the United States as of now, then your constitution is the United States. You’re a citizen in the United States as of now. Thus, your constitution is the United States. Laugh. I’ll let you in on their little cruel joke that’s genocidal. They’re argument is appeal to force on their jurisdiction with lack of proof of evidence. Each subject is in question for the location! The police don’t quite get paid correctly with them dirty front runners under section 10? Their country’s alliances are able to make illegal trades under section 10. Eh! I’m a Nihilist, not someone who put who put trust in god! What is section 10 you ask? If you make a purchase then it’s illegal under section 10 and amendment 1 of the United States constitution. You make a purchase. Therefore, it’s illegal under section 10 and amendment 1 of the United States constitution. We need a drum roll for those front runners in the election; those illegal teachers, pigs, and politicians of yours are under illegal authority of their constitution. Those dirty pigs think they know the damn year. Thirdly, tell them mother fuckers to count from 0 to whenever they feel a threat to stop their count. We can all hope they add new numbers and letters to their count down. Did you run out of breath around the trillions, listener? Well, B.C.E is yet to start for Ad to begin! What does this mean for a citizen in any country? Those illegal military personal are able to sign into a country that they can’t find with an impossible date! How did you trust your child with them fraud teachers and front runners, listener? Did you now know that the teachers, pigs, and front runners are treasonous! You shouldn’t jump to conclusion with your education plan. The constitution as of now, which is in use by the current power pigs, aren’t able to protect the bill of rights! Do you now have enough information to know the two wars are illegal! What is your date of time, listener? Fourthly, those applications that are with background checks break the United States constitution! What’s your riot name? I’ll catch you! Top secret: Why don’t people control the money system? Their Current Currency(1/1) / Your new infinite currency (1/~infinte) This is a selcte information of revoluntary thoughts! Section 10 – Powers prohibited of States No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress. No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay. Each subject is unlocatible!

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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:08 PM
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1. Complete gibberish.
The guy needs a permanent rubber room and lots of Thorazine.

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:21 PM
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24. ***Editing time expired. Here's the Youtube Video***
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 10:27 PM by Ellipsis
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 01:16 AM
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33. It's still gibberish.
I wasn't referring to your transcription of his words, but to the rant itself.

The guy may have scrambled his brains with meth or may have some other kind of mental problem, but whatever the reason, he's barely coherent and spewing gibberish.

Rubber room. Thorazine. For life.

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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 01:26 AM
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34. Oh I know... just wanted to post the link at the top of the thread is all.
:)
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-11 01:33 AM
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35. Oh, sorry!
I thought you felt the video version might make more sense.

I was thinking that you shouldn't be hard on yourself for a transcription of gibberish looking/sounding like gibberish. :D

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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:10 PM
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2. Gee, I wonder if he bought gold
just like his Lord Beck told him to.

Wonder if he took Beck's "course' in "history."

Wonder if we will ever know.
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:19 PM
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Link? n/t
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:03 PM
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15. Just google the first few sentences ... it's foating around all over the internets.
I found it on a blog site...
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:19 PM
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3. What is he talking about?
OK, he's a basket case. I'll pass no other judgments until we find out more, but it might not make any more sense that that.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:44 PM
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7. He strikes me as Schizophrenic.
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 09:49 PM by Ellipsis
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:47 PM
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12. +1. My first impression also. I asked my wife (counselor) and she agrees
with the caveat that a true diagnosis is impossible without spending some time with the suspect.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:53 PM
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14. Unfortunately I have spent a lifetime with someone who was.
One could cull a strange paradoxical logic sometimes in conversation. Some times the clouds would clear and he could be absolutely brilliant for brief periods.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:23 PM
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4. Deleted Face Book Pictures at smoking gun of Him and Weapon
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astroBspacedog Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:23 PM
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5. whoa, --- South of No North
Heavy doses of Fox can do that to people.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:40 PM
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6. Interesting verbage form xpostfactoid's blog on Loughner
Saturday, January 08, 2011
Jared Lee Loughner, "fallenasleep"
While new data will surely come in about Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged shooter of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, his YouTube text-videos indicate that he is not a right-wing politico, not a tea party type. He seems to be a sui generis make-your-own reality psychotic.

Loughtner seems to have developed his own formula for taking control of his world and rejecting the world controlled by government officials. His key terms are currency, grammar/language, sleep/conscience and land and law. The government controls the dominant currency, language, (false) law and land; most people are brainwashed into accepting this reality.


Loughner, like Lewis Carroll's Humpty-Dumpty, asserts that he can create his own language and hence reality -- that is, currency, consciousness (through sleepwalking), and law; he can teach his "listeners" (as he calls readers of his text videos) to do likewise. To create that reality, he uses a syllogism-like structure: 1) an "if-then" statement; 2) an assertion that one part of that statement is true; 3) a conclusion that the second part of the if-then is true. For example:


more...

http://xpostfactoid.blogspot.com/
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:16 PM
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22. More on Lewis Carroll and the paradox of modus ponens (the argument structure he is making use of)
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 10:17 PM by coti
here:

http://www.mathacademy.com/pr/prime/articles/carroll/index.asp

Agreed on the rest, too. Put bluntly, he's just out of his mind. There's no political belief or agenda there.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:23 PM
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25.  Daft for sure. I would think the Pig reference is an Animal Farm thing.
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coti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:34 PM
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30. Could be. His list of books was pretty much a high school reading list
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 10:34 PM by coti
along with some beginner college stuff.

He did throw in some basic formal logic. Not just the modus ponens- like others have said, he was using categorical syllogisms, too, coming to tedious, meaningless conclusions when his "arguments" weren't simply unsound because they were based on faulty premises.

I have no idea what the dude was trying to do, if anything at all. There was no cohesiveness between any of his statements. I think he's just a wacko.
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Takket Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:45 PM
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8. grammar
For someone supposedly so concerned about grammar, he sure did suck at it.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:09 PM
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18. Schizophrenics make up their own reality.
In his mind/reality his grammar was perfect and anyone not adhering to this flawed standard was wrong.
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Takket Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:34 PM
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29. Schizophrenics
you are right.... this guy was clearly Schizophrenic and regardless of who he was influenced by, his actions were the result of mental illness.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:42 PM
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32. Right... but he culled the thought process from the media, Palin, Beck, who spit this vitriol...
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 11:08 PM by Ellipsis
and all the others are complicit in stirring his voices in this direction. No doubt about it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:46 PM
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9. Link?
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:15 PM
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21. Daily Kos Link... it's from his Youtube video.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:46 PM
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10. I guess spell-check was not his friend.
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Recovered Repug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:04 PM
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16. Neither are paragraphs. nt/
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:18 PM
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23. Here's the Youtube video.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:46 PM
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11. I have it right here:
GOLD!!!

GOLD!!!

I FOUND GOLD!!!!


GOOOOOOOOOOOOLD!!!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 09:47 PM
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13. That looks like the same crap Beck puts on his black board
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:08 PM
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17. I'll be his lawyer claims he was sleep walking. NT
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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:10 PM
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19. Bush's grammar, Palin's syntax, Limbaugh's logic and Cheney's penchant for shooting people.
How very Republican.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:11 PM
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20. classic word salad. Psychotic.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:26 PM
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26. those applications that are with background checks break the United States constitution
ok I guess he appreciates he can buy guns unfettered.....
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:29 PM
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27. nutball alibi.
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 10:29 PM by lonestarnot
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:32 PM
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28. I'm betting he's schizophrenic.
He's talking in word-salad, using repeated phrases, bizarre associations only he can understand, tied together with what he would call logic, but deeply flawed logic in the real world.

Hence my assertion in another thread that Loughner is but the murder weapon, and that the people in the right-wing hate machine: Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, etc. etc. etc. are the real murderers.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:39 PM
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31. He's in the right age bracket for it, late adolescence and early adulthood are peak years.
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