Steinbeck on why no socialism in the US

[yurbud]

[Youth Uprising]

1. That's a great quote and oh, so true.

:thumbsup:

[Jim Warren]

2. Social conditioning

The public enthusiasm for socialist politics peaked in the early 1930's, after the last big heist by the rentier class. There was organizing going on in every corner of the land for socialist reform. The rich got scared, let the New Deal slide, and began the social conditioning that culminated with the McCarthy era, "Better dead than Red".

Depressions are when wealth comes back to it's rightful owners.
JP Morgan

[pnorman]

10. "Selling free enterprise: the business assault on labor and liberalism, 1945-60"

This book explains in detail that "social conditioning" process. Useful extracts are at: http://books.google.com/books?id=W4p8-BAs0dcC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Jim Warren]

12. Thanks!

I just read the introduction and it looks excellent.

[pnorman]

13. I have the book, but the Google Book excerpt seems to be adequate for the purpose.

There's also plenty of stuff on the web, if you know some pertinent keywords. Try "Mohawk Valley Formula" as in this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawk_Valley_formula

[baldguy]

3. "Joe" the "Plumber"

[ipaint]

4. Substitute middle class for poor and he's right. nt

[Name removed]

5. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Jim Warren]

7. Thanks to the New Deal...............so far

but many are hungry and many more will be for it's early in the latest Raw Deal.

[ixion]

8. uh, you do realize that BOTH the depressions over the last century have been

caused by crony corporatism, capitalism's evil twin brother.

And further, Capitalism, in and of itself, doesn't really care who eats and who doesn't. That is, plenty of people have starved under capitalism.

And I say this as a staunch, old-fashioned capitalist.

[yurbud]

15. yep, capitalism is amoral like gravity: it doesn't care if you jump out of the plane with or without

a parachute, or whether you were shoved--you're going to hit the ground just as hard.

[Diclotican]

9. Harry Callahan

Harry Callahan

As if not most of Europe, who in one way or another have had, or have a "love affair" with elements of sosialism, is starving all day?.. At least the Powers that be, and the government are afraid of the working man in Europe.. In US you are all a laughting stock for the rich and powerfull..

One thing is eating 3 meals a day, but US are not eating, you are collectively over-eating far worse than every another nation on the face of the world.. And even then, millions and millions of you, are starwing becouse they are not able to get what they need.. So I guess, a little "evil socialism" would have been great for US when it came to solidarity for the poor and striken down..

Diclotican

[msongs]

11. or because there is an inverse relationship between the workers who produce and management who dont

[Major Hogwash]

6. We're proud to eat dirt.

And to never complain about not having napkins.

My grandmother had more hope for this country clear back in 1932 than all of the members of the Tea Party coalition have today!!
Can you imagine what the Great Depression was like when umemployment was over 40%??
I really like Steinbeck, but the era of Eugene Debs died without a wimper.

[Bluerthanblue]

14. I'd never read this quote- he nailed it imo.

- read "The Moon is Down" for the 1st time not long ago.


thanks for sharing this!