president bachman and your principles

[rdking647]

before you decide that you cant support Obama as matter of principle ask yourself if you could live with having to tell your daughter that because of your stand on principle she lost her right to choose due to president bachman.
are you prepared to tell your son that because of your principle his marriage to his lover is no longer legal?
are you prepared to tell your parents that they no longer get any social security thanks to your principal
are you prepared to make that kind of sacrifice

because no matter what kind of fantasy world you might think we live in thats the real cost of not supporting Obama in 2012. you can complain about it all you want but thats whats at stake.

look at the damage scott walker caused in wisconsin. are you willing to accept that on a nationwide scale because of your "principles"
and here I though the left cared about others instead of just themselves.

[mdmc]

1. meh

merika gets what merika deserves..

I live in nys, so obama will get my electoral vote..

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[rdking647]

3. this is bachmans pledge

Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage – faithful monogamy between one man and one
woman – through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous,
polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc.


Earnest, bona fide legal advocacy for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) at the federal and state levels.

Steadfast embrace of a federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which protects the definition of marriage as
between one man and one woman in all of the United States.


are you willing to accept that?

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Of course not, but I am also not willing to accept this fakery

of yours. You claim marriages which are legal now would not be then, but on the Federal level, of which we are speaking, same sex people are currently denied all rights of marriage, civil Union, anything. Barack Obama himself frequently says he is a Christian who believes marriage is just for the sanctified straight people, he says we do not have the same spirituality as his sort of person, and other vicious lies.
There is absolutely no excuse for posting falsehoods about the major civil rights battle of our day. Our marriages are not legal now, and to imply that they are to serve your fear mongering is beyond the pale. Rude, uncalled for, pointless, and shameful.

[Bluenorthwest]

5. Wow, another of these posts that foists the idea that

marriage equality is already a fact. Hint, a marriage that has never been legal can not become 'no longer legal' and to suggest so is inaccurate. Straight folks need to comprehend that we have zero marriage rights in the US. Get it right.

[TheKentuckian]

6. What do you think Obama will have to horse trade with in a second term?

The ones turning over the store are those that would rather have President "insert boogieman de jour here" than to support those that work for the people because of their Obama fetish.

Rather than replace broken parts in our machine so we can fix our structural failures, they are defended by pointing at nutjobs.

The problem is some are more loyal to an ambitious politician with a thin track record and a bizarre uniparty agenda that combines Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush into a clusterfuck of anti-labor/discard the poor/sell out the future destructive nonsense that will set out country back decades or move us into some corporate rule that is a brand of progress that I'd rather be dead than see.

The Social Security line is a throwaway. Obama is a bigger threat to the program than any past President other than arguably Reagan (including the last Bush). Democrats will at least stand up and oppose a Republican.

Maybe if these out of touch, bored by politics dimwits feel some pain they will wake up and help us push the barbarians back not for my personal benefit but for their's and their country.

Some of these comfortable Turd Wayers must need a bite in the ass.

So fuck your caddy call out. They aren't principles if you don't stand for them when the going gets tough.

There is no need for any President "insert boogieman de jour" if certain folks weren't more loyal to Obama than to their country, their children, their parents, our habitat, and our collective future.

It is you guys that declare Obama or Bachman, it is the choice you lay out. I'm not committed to a personality but rather ideals, principles, and policy that works for good of the people.

Give up your lame fetish and get your head into what is going on in the real world.

[rdking647]

9. you talk about teh real world

but in the real world its either Obama or a rethug..
personally I chose Obama over any chance of a rethug.

But I care about others more than any "principle"

[blkmusclmachine]

7. How do we know these "Democrats" won't bi-partisan it all away in a 2nd term?

We know we can't trust them.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. That which has never been legal can not be made 'no longer

legal' and that is the case with marriage rights, there are no Federal marriage rights now, so no such marriages are legal now, so they can not be made 'no longer legal' until they are at least legal for an hour. To foist such a false representation of the state of civil rights in this nation just to spread fear is not cool. There are so many, many horrible things about Bachmann, there is no need at all to feign current rights that do not exist to make her look bad, she is a raving nutter. No need to pretend DOMA is not the law of the land right now, nor to pretend that Obama supports marriage equality, because he has been very clear that he does not.

[Cyrano]

10. So you're living with the delusion that Obama won't sell us out on all these issues?

Given his track record, he might just join with fanatical Republicans to declare America a "Christian Country."

I did everything I possibly could do to get Obama into the White House. And his betrayal of us is extreme and inexcusable.

You know who scares me as much as Michele Bachmann? Barak Obama.

I really believe he needs to be primaried. Just because that seems like a losing proposition, doesn't make it so.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

11. Unrec for swipe at "the left."

It's tiresome, and will not win anyone any votes.

[rdking647]

12. wow an unrec

like that changes any FACT....

it may be tiresome but thats the way it is...

[WorseBeforeBetter]

13. Because it's fact in your beautiful little mind doesn't make it so.

Besides, once Mr. Pray-Away-the-Gay Bachmann is outed for his hypocrisy (Ted Haggard style), his similarly whacko wife and her presidential ambitions will be over. You can then fret about some other Republican.