For those feeling sorry for Obama, remember his cabinet is full of

[ej510]

right wingers, wall streeters, Chicago School of Economics, and war hawks. Basically he has a corporate cabinet.

[emulatorloo]

1. Who is feeling sorry for Obama?

A bit of a strawman, I think.

[ej510]

4. Did you miss the thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1449661

[StarburstClock]

43. Are you feeling sorry for strawmen?

Or just hijacking threads?

[polichick]

2. Try to remember the cabinet we thought we might have...

I recall talking about people like Bobby Kennedy Jr.

[villager]

6. It was during those appointments you started to realize we'd been had...

n/t

[ej510]

7. Sadly even then I gave him a chance, but as he started to govern he became

more corporate friendly.

[slipslidingaway]

17. Yes n/t

[Poll_Blind]

22. I blocked it out during the appointment process. It was just too weird so I...

...just ignored it. I know it sounds idiotic but I just thought..."Naaaah!"

PB

[villager]

63. we all did -- somehow, we wanted to believe this administration would be better than its components

It isn't.

[robinlynne]

33. Yes. howard dean wanted to be in. Van Jones WAS in for a second...

Al Gore could have been asked to head the EPA.

[polichick]

38. So true - it could have been amazing! My heart breaks at the opportunity lost...

...or stolen, as the case may be.

[xchrom]

3. Recommend

[somone]

5. Birds of a feather

[LiberalAndProud]

8. Can we make candidates name their cabinet before we elect them?

It would be some sort of measurable test of their true leanings. There have been no adjustments toward the left since the beginning, so we have an accurate measure of the viewpoints Obama values.

It would have been nice to know before I voted. I doubt, though, that we really had a choice about where our policies were going to move. I suspect that we would be seeing much the same if either Clinton or McCain (dimentia or no) had been chosen.

[Jack Rabbit]

12. That's one of the benefits of a parliamentary system

Voters have a much better idea of the party's program and leadership in parliamentary elections than in presidential elections. This is modified when coalitions are necessary to form a government, but presidential government is modified at the president's pleasure, like when the latest public opinion poll is released or when a large corporation pays a bribe gives a huge sum to the president's re-election committee.

[blindpig]

14. Even before the cabinet there was the campaign staff.

Full of the same sort. It was obvious the course this administration would take even then, though nobody I know had any idea it would be such a hard right with hardy a bone tossed.

[chill_wind]

64. True. Laura Tyson, arm twisting House Dems against more regulation

during the bailout negotiations, right in there along with the CoC and other Wall Street interest groups, is one name of many I won't forget.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8299273&mesg_id=8300179

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8299273&mesg_id=8299273

[Tesha]

55. Many of us tried to warn many folks here that Obama was NO DAMNED GOOD, ...

...that he (and Hillary) were both Corporate Tools
cast from the same mold.

But too few people believed us. Now, more do. But
now, of course, it's far too late.

Tesha

[LiberalAndProud]

56. By the time most in our country got around to choosing,

Clinton and Obama were all that were left. A small number of states choose our candidates for us. And from the candidates, who would have done better? In a perfect world, someone with Dennis' ideas would stand a chance. And honestly, the reason he doesn't is he's short and his voice is not a resonating baritone. At any rate, the money wasn't there for him.

By the end of the primaries, Clinton and Obama were forced to campaign from the left. They know that's where the numbers lie. Yet, here we are. We keep moving policy to the right.

In the end, we weren't given a choice. And that bothers me profoundly.

[Tesha]

60. You may have answered your own question.

Kuch probably would be a good President but we'll
never know because he routinely offends the Party's
"Big Whigs" (sic).

Edwards, in any society that valued the political
work of its politicians over their sexual backgrounds,
would have been a *GREAT* President. This time around,
he was selling the correct prescription for America's
woes.

Bill Richardson probably would have been pretty good.
At least the odds are fair that he wasn't outright
lying to us about what he was going to do.

But the real problem is all the good Democrats who
won't even consider running for President. After the
political "assassination" of Dean in 2004, who would?
So we didn't have Russ running. We didn't have Boxer
running. We didn't have Barney Frank running. Or any
of a dozen or so other really good people.

And with the system we have now (which you accurately
assessed as having two or three small, white, very
conservative states acting as gate-keepers for the
rest of you poor ignorant sods), we *NEVER* will
have a really good small-d Democrat as our standard-
bearer.

The political process in this country needs fundamental
change if people are ever to be valued over the monied
elites and the Corporations.

Tesha


Tesha

[jaxx]

9. Is this a call out of DU members?

[Rex]

10. Why? Do you want this OP locked?

Fair is fair.

[jaxx]

13. It's not my job to lock a thread.

I asked a question. Is this a call out spinning from another thread?

[Rex]

16. I think it is in reply to another thread that asked people to 'feel sorry for Obama'.

We can't have both views expressed here?

[jaxx]

25. Call outs are not productive.

The views could be expressed in the original thread.

[Rex]

27. Or they could be expressed in another thread since it is the polar opposite view.

Sorry, but this thread should not get locked and you should stop trying to get it locked.

[jaxx]

31. You are out of line with that comment.

[Rex]

37. Well then hit alert if you think I am wrong.

Nothings stopping you. :eyes:

[jaxx]

42. No, they should stand so everyone can see.

[Rex]

54. Okay so basically you have no real point.

K

[TK421]

57. then the "original" thread would be locked n/t

[robinlynne]

36. It is not a call out. it is an OP. a great one at that.

[EFerrari]

18. It doesn't negatively characterize other members. n/t

[jaxx]

24. Actually, it does.

Saying it is a corporate cabinet full of right wingers and wall street people....and then the Chicago slam and war hawks isn't negatively characterizing members who may feel sorry for PBO?

[Rex]

28. But that is the point, you have a thread to go feel sorry for Obama

they have a thread for people that don't feel sorry for Obama. It is called 'fair and balanced' imo.

[EFerrari]

32. No, it doesn't. "For those feeling sorry"

has no negative term in it.

Edit for accuracy

[Rex]

39. Pretty obvious what the poster wants for this thread.

[stuckinarut]

62. That doesn't sound like a call-out

As much as it sounds like a whole lot o' truth-that-hurts. There does seem to be a meme that we can blanket negate/ignore all the negative actions of the President one of two ways.

1. Blame the Republicans (yes, they suck. But didn't your mom tell you that you are responsible for your own actions? and something about jumping off a bridge...)

2. Threaten a President **INSERT REPUBLICAN** (as if my morality/vote hinges on the letter that follows a mass murderer's, scuse me, President's name...I care not murder is murder, tax cuts are tax cuts etc.)

Obama hired his original (corporate) cabinet, and when he ran into problems with them, replaced them with other corporate hacks. echem, Bill Daley.

What REALLY gets me is that we still have the same economic secretary sitting, that presided over the whole mess....Utter ignorance on the part of the administration...

And seriously, don't get me started on his rogue DoJ.

[Obamanaut]

34. Rather than a callout, it looks like (to me) a rebuttal to this earlier thread

requesting sympathy. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1449661&mesg_id=1449661

I don't think any sympathy is due. The President sought out the position, asking people to vote for him for two years. He was not drafted.

[robinlynne]

35. huh?

[Angry Dragon]

11. ..............

:popcorn:

[TomClash]

15. Hard to feel sorry for . . .

. . . a guy who basically wants to be the National CEO.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. But his job is so tough!

[woo me with science]

20. Being President is HARD.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

21. and look at the staffers he inherited.

Oh, wait. He PICKED those.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Yep. Really. Exhausting. Stressful.

[Arkana]

44. Oh please.

Even you people are better than this.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. You people?

Doesn't he (and his golf buddies) look exhausted? Stressed out? Worn down?

[Arkana]

50. Yeah, DAMN that Obummer, right?

He probably takes time to eat and sleep too! What a lazy bum.

[vssmith]

23. All picked by Milton Friedman?

:sarcasm:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Yeah...but, remember who appointed them. Oh, wait..

But, did he really have a choice? Could he have appointed somebody else? Didn't he need to have a clear 8000 vote margin in congress? And, keeping track of all the tee/tea/coffee dates with the Republicans is hard work.

Give the poor, powerless, guy a break. I mean it's not like he's the president or anything.

[hifiguy]

51. That

x 1000.

[girl gone mad]

29. k & r

[Name removed]

40. Deleted message

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[Fire1]

41. Well stated and +100,000,000. n/t

[StarburstClock]

45. Just replace "Obama" with "Bush" in your rant and it reads like this:

Reads like completely empty trash talk:

---....Bush will shove it down their throats......again. I've read a lot of shit here over the years and recently there has been a whole lot of fucking whining. Not that folks don't have a right to whine, they do, it's just that there's been an excessive amount of late. Bush will be re-elected. Of that, I have no doubts. Bush wasn't my candidate in the primaries, I was a Clinton supporter, but quickly jumped on board once Bush was nominated. I have been impressed with both his actions and leadership. I will be voting for him, as most here will be. You can bitch and moan all you like, but it will have no effect on the outcome of the next election....Bush will win handily. We all have opinions and this is mine. Whether or not you agree, I don't give a flyin fuck......just you probably feel the same about my thoughts. But, I will continue to disagree with what I know is bullshit, and I'll be callin it bullshit.----

[JoePhilly]

46. +1

[ej510]

47. Of course, you are a DLC, New Democrat, and Third Way supporter.

[hifiguy]

52. What color is the sky in your world?

Seriously.

[Name removed]

53. Deleted message

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[bvar22]

49. You mean like this?

The DLC New Team
FDR/LBJ Working Class Democrats need NOT Apply.
Position are open for 3rd Way "New Democrat" Centrists Only.

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254886&kaid=86&subid=85


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone

[OwnedByFerrets]

58. Who is feeling sorry for him. He is SET for life

[johnaries]

59. You mean like his SOS, Hillary Clinton?

:shrug:

[onenote]

61. why would you so publicly reveal your lack of knowledge about Obama's cabinet?

Here is who Obama's cabinet is full of:

Hillary Clinton, Leon Panetta, Eric Holder, Ken Salazar, Hilda Solis, Tom Vilsack, Kathleen Sibelius, Gary Locke, Janet Napolitano, Shaun Donovan, Steven Chu.
Only someone with a distorted sense of reality would consider these individuals right wingers and wall streeters. Most of them are lifelong Democrats who spent the better part of their lives in public service.

But enjoy your fantasy if it makes you feel better.

[Long Shadow]

65. When it comes to war, there is little difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

Both parties' leadership is power hungry and blood thirsty; for clearly there is no logical, ethical, or lawful argument for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan (maybe) and now, Libya.