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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:18 PM
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Pure gold from 1995. Op ed from Third Way prez Cowan calling to privatize Social Security.
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 03:14 PM by madfloridian
It's amazing browsing the internet and coming upon a jewel like this. Through the years these anti-Social Security groups have modified their message to make it more popular. However the goal is the very same. They want to turn Medicare, Social Security, and even education into profitable ventures.

And his group, Third Way, appears to have the ear of the president.

There is no doubt what Jon Cowan is saying in this op ed from the L.A. Times, March 1995.

Current payout levels can't be sustained; let the retirement savings system go private for all but the needy.

Despite the truth about this imminent collapse of the system, Senate Democrats recently killed the balanced-budget amendment with claims that it left Social Security vulnerable to budget-balancing. And House Republicans swore in the 1994 elections that they'd never touch the program. Why this doublespeak from both parties? A simple political calculation: Older Americans vote, and Generation X doesn't.

Unfortunately for America, this lie-to-get-elected approach is disastrous for our long-term fiscal outlook and will squander any hope of repairing the system before the crisis strikes early in the next millennium.

The time has come to reinvent Social Security based on a "cut and privatize" approach that will be fair to all age groups. This reinvention should be based on three principles:


I can't put the 3 principles in quotes or I risk an edit message for going over fair use. So I will just list them separately.

Start immediately to lower boomers' expectations of the returns they will get and encourage them to increase private savings.

Separate out the welfare portion of Social Security and pay out poverty benefits to today's--and tomorrow's--needy seniors from general government revenues.

Idea #3 is to lower the Social Security payroll to 10%
(where the heck was it in 1995...isn't it 6.2 now?) and "give workers the option of putting their money into private pension programs that offer far higher returns and sounder prospects than today's Social Security system."

Indeed, it is 6.2% and lower now. Wow.

Social Security and Medicare taxes
Main article: Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax

Federal social insurance taxes are imposed equally on employers<5> and employees,<6> consisting of a tax of 6.2% of wages up to an annual wage maximum ($106,800 in 2010) plus a tax of 1.45% of total wages.<7> For the year 2011, the employee's contribution has been temporarily reduced to 4.2%, while the employer's portion remained at 6.2%.<8> To the extent an employee's portion of the 6.2% tax exceeded the maximum by reason of multiple employers, the employee is entitled to a refundable tax credit upon filing an income tax return for the year.<9>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax


Also enlightening is an article from 1992 in Businessweek. These guys sure got the publicity then. It's amazing how easily their voices were/are heard, and ours are ignored by the media.

Cross my heart and hope to die, I'll cut the deficit.

Their movement, called "Lead or Leave," has the great virtue of reducing the complexity of restoring fiscal balance to a bumper-sticker slogan. But why would politicians promise to end their careers because of a collective failure that's not any single member's fault? Because, say the "Lead or Leave" organizers, the deficit won't be attacked seriously until a majority of Congress accepts personal responsibility for it. By November, they hope to secure the pledge from 100 elected officials. Says Nelson: "If we tie members' political careers to this, reducing the deficit will become the highest priority."

GRINCHES. That may sound like civics-class wishful thinking. But Cowan and Nelson are off to a surprisingly strong start. Seventy candidates for the House and Senate, including 10 incumbents and 15 likely winners, have sworn to lead or leave.

Other backers include such budget grinches as investment banker Peter G. Peterson, former Democratic Presidential contender Paul Tsongas, and retiring Senator Warren B. Rudman (R-N. H.). They've formed a nonprofit outfit called the Concord Coalition to force politicians to discuss deficit cuts. Trade hawk Clyde V. Prestowitz Jr. and Richard Dennis, a well-known Chicago commodities broker, are helping to bankroll Lead or Leave. Ross Perot, who made deficit reduction the centerpiece of his abortive Presidential bid, has also endorsed the pledge. But he has given no money.

..."Even before Cowan and Nelson appeared on the scene, some pols were swearing similar oaths on their own. In 1986, Senator Kent Conrad (D-N. D.) promised voters he would make a big dent in the deficit or he wouldn't try for a second term. To everyone's shock, Conrad meant it: He announced his retirement earlier this year. "This is a way to get enough people to take the pledge together so that nobody has to fall on their sword again," says Cowan.


There is little doubt that Third Way is controlling Democratic policy as witnessed by their publications website.

Perhaps Newsweek was wrong in 1995 when they called their group, Lead or Leave, a flame-out.

Looks like Cowan has come a long way, baby, to having the message control for the Democrats.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:19 PM
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1. Good catch..Recced..
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:27 PM
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2. My question...how did he get all this power?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:17 PM
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12. He started out at Pete Peterson's front man.
That surely helped.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:19 PM
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16. Peterson's Fiscal Times helped push the work of the fiscal commission.
He's making himself heard all over the place.

The WP even had to post about their alliance with the Fiscal Times....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/08/AR2010010803589.html

"The Fiscal Times is one of the nontraditional news organizations being created to provide specialized reporting. The Post and other media outlets have begun partnering with them to bolster coverage diminished by staff reductions.

The groups have been underwritten by wealthy benefactors or foundations. Governance structures have been established to ensure autonomy. All are staffed by quality journalists, including some of the nation's best reporters and editors.

In a letter to me Thursday, Peterson said he is funding the Fiscal Times "with no strings attached." He hadn't known of the Dec. 31 story in advance, he said, adding, "I do not intend to review any articles prior to publication, and will not influence nor in any way be involved in decisions about editorial content." He said the same goes for his son, Michael, who helped create Fiscal Times. In a separate e-mail, Michael Peterson said he "played no role whatsoever" in the story and was "not aware" of it until it appeared.

So is The Post off the hook? Hardly. The story had serious deficiencies."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:27 PM
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3. Kick
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:28 PM
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4. Note that Kent Conrad is now in charge of negotiating the Democratic Senate side in the budget deal?
We know where he's coming from. So do the other Dem leaders who put him in that key role.

It's like playing Russian Roulette. Every year these Wall St guys throw millions into this. Eventually, we're going to get shot in the head.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:50 PM
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9. I had forgotten that. Scary thought.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:29 PM
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5. Bill Daley: “I believe in Third Way’s unique mission"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:02 PM
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23. That's a great link to the Sunlight Foundation article.
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2011/01/06/the-revolving-door-shouldnt-spin-again-for-william-daley/

"The President once told a meeting of bankers that he was "the only thing standing between you and the pitchforks." That apparently wasn't good enough. Picking Daley would send the message that the pitchforks--normal people--matter less than the continued flow of campaign donations from the uber-wealthy. Barack Obama raised $39 million from the finance, insurance and real estate sector in his 2008 bid for President, the most raised from this sector by anyone in one cycle seeking political office in the United States ever.

Even more problematic than the need to corral donors for 2012 is that Daley's presence would allow him to control the time of the President. Daley could choose who the President sees and what information gets to the President. Based on the praise the financial sector has for the Daley selection, it is clear who those people are and what that information would be. In essence, Daley would act as a stovepipe for the interests of Wall Street, as if bankers didn't have enough influence already."
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:32 PM
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6. Apparently my rec wont count. The Third Way in DU speaks out via unrec's but not discussion. nm
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:33 PM
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7. The very moment I post...
the unrecs begin. But thanks anyway.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:55 PM
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10. Third Wayers are a vocal minority here.
You've presented important info -- REC.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 07:04 AM
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36. Are the unrec's pre-programmed? Posts scanned for words like NSA does to phone calls?
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 07:08 AM by Divernan
That would be more economical use of funding/time by the White House staff tasked with "responding to", i.e., suppressing progressive bloggers/posters.

http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/the-white-house-hires-terminator-to-squash-online-critics/
The White House Hires ‘Terminator’ to Squash Online Critics
Posted on + by Christopher di Spirito
Online critics of President Obama take note.

In the lead up to the reelection campaign, the White House has hired some cat named Jesse Lee to a new position within the communications department titled Director of Progressive Media & Online Response.

According to FishbowlNY: Lee’s new gig will be to plump up Obama’s online presence as he enters the 2012 reelection season and squash any negative online stories:

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/white-house-dedicates-new-position-to-deal-with-unfavorable-online-media_b36292

" The post is a new one for this White House. Rapid response has usually been outsourced to the Democratic National Committee (DNC), if not done on an ad-hoc basis by administration officials. And it signals that the White House will be adopting a more aggressive defense of the president and his policies as his re-election campaign gears up.

"Apparently, the subtext is Lee is going to be the one to handle you. Considering that his first tweet about his new position includes a picture of The Terminator.Considering that Lee’s first tweet about his new position included a picture of The Terminator, we suggest you watch what you say OR BE DESTROYED."

Okay that was a little dramatic, but you get the idea.

(Back to first link)

Well, all I can say is, BRING IT ON, and make sure you spell my name correctly."
_____________________________________________________________________

In 2008, Obama was the first “internet president.” Collecting millions of small dollar donations from energized liberals ready to put the Bush nightmare behind them.

In 2012, the internet represents a threat to Obama and will be monitored for pests who no longer feel the need to genuflect before his greatness.

Furthermore, this activity blurs if not violates the line dividing campaigning from governing as to how it is funded and where it is operated from.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:35 AM
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38. Lee actually put that picture at his twitter account??
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:40 PM
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42. Whoa! I'm not a Twitter person, but that is his name on the account
If only Obama would pay federal employees to attack the GOP, like this guy is evidently getting paid $72,500 plus platinum bennies, to attack progressive bloggers!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:43 PM
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43. I wonder if we will know...
when he does it? Or if it will supposedly be disguised as well as their motives on education and social safety nets?
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:34 PM
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8. I remember.
Wall Street wants the money?

"Idea #3 is to lower the Social Security payroll to 10% (where the heck was it in 1995...isn't it 6.2 now?) and "give workers the option of putting their money into private pension programs that offer far higher returns and sounder prospects than today's Social Security system."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:15 PM
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11. Yes, Wall St. wants the money.
:)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:19 PM
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13. I will NEVER vote for any DLC/corporate Dems.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:40 PM
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14. And all 3 have been accomplished.
Remember the furor a while back when they lowered the payroll taxes, then said they would make up the Social Sec. shortfall "from the General Revenue fund"??
by making ANY Soc. Sec. payment from that fund, they have successfully done #2 of the list.
A lot of DU folks talked bout that, and WARNED about that.

There is no doubt in my mind that #1 is a done deal:
Start immediately to lower boomers' expectations of the returns they will get and encourage them to increase private savings.

Yep, and when people start to stash savings away, the gov't enabled crooks will take it, too, just like they are stealing pensions and have killed ANY return on 401 Ks and other retirement schemes they talked us into joining
20 years ago.
It was NO co-incidence that this economic collapse happened just when the 60 year olds were ready to withdraw their
retirement savings and collect on their Soc. Sec.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:04 PM
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15. Great point about the 2nd one.
Yep, they did that around the end of last year. And with Obama's new offer to lower the employer side tax, they will add more the general revenue fund I imagine.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:26 PM
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17. it's not 6.2% now, it's 12.4%
6.2% from the worker plus 6.2% from the employer

but why is this such a bad idea? "Separate out the welfare portion of Social Security and pay out poverty benefits to today's--and tomorrow's--needy seniors from general government revenues."

That way those programs would be paid by progressive income taxes instead of by regressive payroll taxes.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:39 PM
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18. There are a lot of reasons.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:48 PM
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19. unfortunately, the payroll tax cut is a regressive tax cut
but that is a different issue than benefit payouts.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:49 PM
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20. How?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:26 PM
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29. It was 12.4. As of January 1st its 10.4.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 01:17 AM
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34. Pretty obviously I was separating the employee/employer percentage.
Which of course would add up to 12.4.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:59 PM
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21. Recommend
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:18 PM
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22. Great job. They are frauds.
Wonder where their real funding is coming from?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 11:45 PM
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32. Basically...
they are infiltrators. :hi:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:09 PM
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24. Thanks for taking the time - great find! n/t


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:43 AM
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47. ......
You are welcome. They have been at this for years.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:46 PM
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25. hmm...
Let's connect the dots, mad:

We have the 'education reform' du jour that INSISTS we are NOT educating our children, used by the corporatists as justification for the further dismantling of our vital system of public education.

We have our politicians du jour who patronize or condescend to their electorate, as though 'advanced degrees' and 'years of experience' render them much more likely than members of the 'lowly' hoi polloi to 'understand' difficult political and economic issues.

We have the Corporate Megalomaniacs who ruthlessly inflict Disaster Capitalism on the hoi polloi, all the while pretending to be concerned philanthropists and 'egalitarians.'

We have the ginormous 'Internet,' which enables ANY 'lowly' member of the hoi polloi to develop an accurate and unassailable foundation of knowledge about ALL politics and economic issues.

Well, now...

Is it possible that the corporatists--whose hegemony depends in part on our unquestioning acceptance of their 'superior intellects'--recognize that MANY more of us are getting a clue? Is it possible that the corporatists understand that their mendacious statements about our politics and our economy are falling on newly enlightened ears? Is it possible that the corporatists are beginning to fear our growing awareness of their decades of DECEIT and narcissistic hedonism?

Is is possible these vile uber wealthy elites are beginning to realize that their cold, filthy lucre will not protect them from our righteous anger?!?

Do NOT patronize us, Vile Corporatists. Do NOT underestimate us, you Morally Repugnant Cretins. ALL of us across this vast globe are joining our hands, our hearts, and our intellects to end the radical income inequity you’ve inflicted on us all.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:26 AM
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33. That's some good "dot-connecting" there.
Thanks for the post. :hi:
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:11 PM
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26. We need to start listing these senators and house members
every chance we get, if we expect to defeat them in the coming 'do or die' election.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 07:12 PM
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27. Kr nt
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:22 PM
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28. BIG k&r ... . . .n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:14 PM
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30. Someone's got to wear the sheep suit.


Thank you, madfloridian! A Kick & a Rec & a Bookmark, three.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 10:28 PM
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31. Great pic, Octafish.
And I always appreciate a rec from you as special.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 01:59 AM
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35. K&R, and thanks! I've added this to Cowan's Wikipedia bio
I edited his bio to start a new section.

We should not let these people send their past words down the memory hole.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 10:41 AM
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37. Good idea. He was very clear, wasn't he.
None of the wishy washy political speak the party leaders are pulling on us now.

I swear I hate that kind of stuff. All they do is change the words to fool us for a while...but the goals are the same.

:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:31 AM
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46. BTW you worded that well.
"Political views

In 1995, Cowan urged the federal government "to reinvent Social Security based on a 'cut and privatize' approach", the central tenets of which were benefit cuts, partial privatization (similar to President George W. Bush's later privatization proposal), and means testing.<10>"
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 11:36 AM
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39. K & R !!!
:kick:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:03 PM
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40. They simply change the words.
And we are supposed to accept that they are not advocating for the very same things they advocated for in 1995.

We are supposed to believe that.

I find that hard to do. I believe their goals are the same, just the talking points change.
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Long Shadow Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:21 PM
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41. Clearly, the "better way" was to let our politicians transfer SS funds into
the general fund and spend it all.
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Paka Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 06:59 PM
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44. Thanks for the post.
Tried to rec but I was too late. Since I am in Thailand, one day ahead, you would think I would be early. Scary stuff! :grr:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 07:06 PM
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45. It's the thought that counts.
Appreciate being read in Thailand. :hi:
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