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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 02:59 PM
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(Brooks/Murdoch) OK, cognoscienti--WTF is THIS about?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2011/07/09/third-man-arrested-in-news-of-the-world-investigation.html?om_rid=NsfuEg&om_mid=_BOGKxYB8cRt76W

Rebekah Brooks, News International's chief executive, told staff that further revelations will soon bring "another very difficult moment in this company's history," and that when that happens they will understand why she didn't resign.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:01 PM
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1. Republiborg, Inc, UnLtd has its greedy mitts all over GB,too?
Not really a surprise
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:53 PM
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6. Yes, the same moneymen behind Repliborg, Inc., also own UK, Ltd. See, below.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:52 PM
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11. ...and they are the same DarkSiders who pull the sucker strings on Freepers & TeaBaggers
...who meekly pay their monthly cable fee to sit like sheep in front of Fox propaganda and have the lies and spin poured into their PuppetNoodles (R).

If the Freepers and TeaBaggers ever wake up and realize what Suckers they have been played for, they are going to be MaxiPissed.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:18 PM
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12. Tell that to all those Good Germans.
They just acted ashamed and went back to being industrious and perverse in a sort of regimented way. When the Freepers revert to form after their bubble has been truly burst, I wonder what they'll do? Deer hunting and old pick up trucks come to mind.



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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 02:52 PM
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21. I'm guesing you've never heard of Stanley Milgram
who basically proved any of us, including Yale students, would kill if told to by an authority figure (guy in a white science coat).
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:50 PM
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23. I would hate to have to hump that Lahti 20mm all day
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:29 PM
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2. I think I found the money line for you. A quote from David Cameron in The DailyMail:
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 03:49 PM by leveymg
"He also promised action to 'get to the bottom' of the phone hacking scandal but said it was not just about the press but about the police and 'about how politics works too'.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2012326/News-World-phone-hacking-Will-Rebekah-Brooks-FINALLY-go.html


That comment "about how politics works too" is particular notable in a political system like the UK (and US) where elites in both political parties are heavily compromised by al-Yamamah, the $80 billion Saudi-BAE slush fund. Doubly so, given that the major investor in Rupert Murdoch's NewsCorp is the Saudi Royal family. See, "Bandar Bush" was running "Yamamah" slush fund that was used to buy US and UK politicians, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6212624&mesg_id=6212648

NewsCorp is, in effect, being run as an agent of influence for the Saudis, and they've been behind some very dirty tricks, including political wiretapping and bribery of police and other officials. Murdoch isn't the only pet shark in the pond, but he's a very big fish, more like Moby Dick.

The Foreign Corrupt Practices investigation into Yamamah-BAE was never resolved on either side of the shark-infested pond. I would not be too surprised if the phone-hacking scandal is the harpoon they'll finally use to lance the Great White.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 02:12 PM
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19. THIS "Bandar Bush"?


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:02 PM
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24. That's a fascinating insight
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 04:02 PM by starroute
I'll confess it never occurred to me there might be a Murdoch/Yamamah connection -- and I'd assumed Yamamah was mainly a British deal, anyway.

If what you say is so, it raises real questions about just how far the Saudis will go in attempting to subvert democracy. It's clear they've been trying furiously to head it off in the Middle East -- but would they go to the extent of trying to undermine Western democracy as well, just to save their own asses?

There are a lot of really nasty implications to this particular tangle of influences and motivations.

I have picked up, by the way, that the Yamamah question may have been reopened by the WikiLeaks cables -- so perhaps some secrets will finally come loose.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8377562/Revelations-in-BAE-Saudi-case-prompt-inquiry-call.html

A senior MP has demanded a parliamentary inquiry into Britain’s £43 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia after a leaked US diplomatic cable disclosed the full case against BAE Systems, the defence contractor.

The Serious Fraud Office dropped the investigation in December 2006, after intense diplomatic pressure from the Saudis. BAE was fined by US authorities last year after it admitted a relatively minor charge of making false statements. It faced no action in Britain over the Saudi allegations and until now the full details of the case have been kept secret.

However, a US cable given to the WikiLeaks website and obtained by The Daily Telegraph discloses the strength of the investigators’ case.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:33 PM
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3. Check this link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8627525/James-Murdoch-could-face-corporate-legal-charges-in-US-and-UK-over-News-of-the-World-phone-hacking-scandal.html

I suggest that you follow everything on the UK Guardian site.
There are interviews and very important videos.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/phone-hacking

This scandal is going to be huge. Remember the WSJ big boy was promoted for silencing this scandal.

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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:39 PM
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4. You & I keep having essentially the same discussion.
I'm a lot moe pessimistic than you about any of this stuff making any difference in how things are.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:05 PM
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7. Bro we'd still have slavery if people didn't have hope about
changing all that is evil.
After the last 30 years and the last decade of unbelievable lawlessness, people are waking up.

It was the UK Guardian and in particular Davis who led this struggle.

Note last week Cameron was going to give Murdoch BSkyB - this week this scandal is the beginning of the end of Cameron. Every the LibDems are saying they warned him.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/08/ed-miliband-broken-omerta-old-monster
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:10 PM
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9. Cameron's just another thug crook with a fancy Brit accent. Hope he goes down...n/t
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:44 PM
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5. The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act investigation stands out for me - see my response, above.
There's a much bigger conflict going on than some petty journalistic hacking and small-time bribery of Metropolitan policemen.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:07 PM
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8. Absolutely
This is on both sides of the Atlantic and it is going to be huge.
I expect some strange and sudden deaths along the way.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:20 PM
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25. John W. Dean's Twitter feed is a good source of links on this
He's been fascinated by the developing scandal because he sees it as parallel in so many ways to Watergate. He's just started tweeting in the last few weeks, and he's been hitting this story pretty hard -- including the mysterious disappearance from Twitter of ExNOTWJourno and the appearance of ExNOTWJourno2, who may or may not be the same person

http://twitter.com/#!/JohnWDean

JohnWDean
@ExNOTWjourno2 Hiding? Why is she on the front page of the paper being embraced by Murdoch?
3 hours ago

Marie X
ExNOTWjourno2
@DMailReporter Wait til tomorrows bombshell. Duckshoving comes to mind. M
3 hours ago

JohnWDean
Vry strange re Deep Tweet or @ExNOTWJourno: 22 hrs ago she had 21,000 + followers. Now none. & removed from my follows. #murdoch
3 hours ago

JohnWDean
Per this acct most of the doc evidence of #NOTW phone hacking is long gone. S.O.P. for cover-ups. telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ph… #murdoch #Media
15 hours ago

JohnWDean
Devestating analysis by a true expert: Murdoch's Watergate http://zite.to/qytzlm via @zite #Murdoch #politics
9 Jul

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:12 PM
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10. THIS is where you want to be right now:
http://twitter.com/ExNOTWJourno

ExNOTWJourno

**UPDATE** "NOTW axing was planned as far back as November! possible sop to ease BSkyB deal!"This is info i'm getting from different sources

ExNOTWJourno

in my possession:transcripts of 37 text messages sent by NEWSINTERNATIONAL executive to various staff over the years.Who could they be from?


*UPDATE* Sad to say we can't release the blog tonight.We've had legal advice&support and all agreed to postpone to tomorrow.Been a crazy day

It'll be a PDF available to view on the site(tba)and also via direct download.We've done our best to make it worthwhile and informative.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:23 PM
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13. Way Cool !!! - Thanks For Sharing That !!!
:yourock:

:hi:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 12:08 PM
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17. But today the page doesn't exist. Scam?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 01:00 PM
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18. New twitter account to follow:
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 01:01 PM by aquart
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 02:43 PM
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20. code 404 on that twitter account. n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:25 PM
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14. My guess is something to do with the Jonathan Rees story
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 05:35 PM by muriel_volestrangler
Tom Watson MP said this in the Parliamentary debate (where you cannot be sued for libel), on Wednesday, the day before the NotW was shut down:

I want to inform the House of further evidence that suggests Rebekah Brooks knew about the unlawful tactics of News of the World as early as 2002, despite all her denials yesterday. Rebekah Brooks was present at a meeting with Scotland Yard when police officers pursing a murder investigation provided her with evidence that her newspaper was interfering with the pursuit of justice. They gave her the name of another executive at News International, Alex Marunchak. The meeting, which included Dick Fedorcio of the Metropolitan police, told her that News of the World staff were guilty of interference and party to using unlawful means to attempt to discredit a police officer and his wife. She was told of actions by people she paid to expose and discredit David Cook and his wife Jackie Haines so that Mr Cook would be prevented from completing an investigation into a murder. News International were paying people to interfer with police officers and were doing so on behalf of known criminals. We know now that News International had entered the criminal underworld.

She cannot deny being present at this meeting when the actions of people she was paying were exposed. She cannot deny now being warned that under her auspices unlawful tactics were being used with the purpose of interfering with the pursuit of justice. She cannot deny that one of her staff, Alex Marunchak, was named and involved. She cannot deny either that she was told by the police that her own paper was using unlawful tactics, in this case to help one of her law-breaking investigators. This in my views shows her culpability goes beyond taking the blame as head of the organisation. It is about direct knowledge of unlawful behaviour.

And was Mr Marunchak dismissed. No. He was promoted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/jul/06/news-of-the-world-phone-hacking-live#block-57


NI replied:

"It is well documented that Jonathan Rees and Southern Investigations worked for a whole variety of newspaper groups. With regards to Tom Watson's specific allegations, we believe these are wholly inaccurate. The Met police, with whom we are co-operating fully in Operation Weeting, have not asked us for any information regarding Jonathan Rees. We note again that Tom Watson MP made these allegations under parliamentary privilege."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jun/08/phone-hacking-kate-middleton-tony-blair


I'd like to know if Rees was the 63 year old arrested and released on police bail last night (though I doubt it, since I think journalists would have been able to work out if he was, and would probably have published it).
(On edit: no, it appears Rees is 56. More detail on him here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/mar/11/news-of-the-world-police-corruption - found via a thread on DU from March this year. Thanks, CHIMO!)

More on Rees:

The agency's two principals, Jonathan Rees and ex-detective sergeant Sid Fillery, had both been arrested in connection with the 1987 murder of Rees's former partner, Daniel Morgan, found in a pub car park with an axe embedded in his head. For some years, the agency and its associates had played a part in setting up newspaper stings, providing information and bodyguards to the likes of the News of the World's "fake sheikh", Maz Mahmood.
...
But it was not to be. Instead, in 2002, Rees, another man and a detective were all jailed after being found guilty of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice which involved the planting of drugs on an innocent woman. Fillery received a community rehabilitation order after admitting 15 counts of making indecent images of children.
...
After Rees came out of prison, he resumed working with the media, particularly with Marunchak of the News of the World. But in early 2008, Rees and three other men were charged with the axe murder of Daniel Morgan, and Fillery was charged with conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

Their Old Bailey trial was expected to hear details of the agency's dealings with the media, and the allegation that Morgan was murdered because he was about to expose police corruption. But after long legal argument the trial collapsed earlier this year without it even getting in front of a jury.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/08/news-of-the-world-payments-to-police


If the News of the World was helping out a criminal with whom they had a business relationship, by tailing police officers, it's very bad. If there's anything about why the trail collapsed (disappearance of evidence? Blackmailing of witnesses?) it could be a lot worse.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:44 AM
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15. I never doubted Murdoch was involved in murder.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 05:44 AM
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16. my guess... tied to Cameron having been a NoTW target of hacking
and the political questions that will arise given his later hiring of Coulson even after recieving serious warnings about Coulson's involvement in wrong doing per the Rees case(s).

Was he blackmailed or just cowed or just dumb? What political decisions might have been made that put NewsInt in advantage (think BSkyB deal)?

I think it is going to get ugly. And per Brooks not being forced out (yet) my guess she is positioned to take a later fall if such events unfold getting to close to the mediaking and his heir apparent.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:02 PM
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22. there are rumors that Cameron admitted using cocaine
not that I care but might not go over well. If true, they are blackmailing him with it. Problem is, do they have enough to blackmail all involved to stop the screaming?

The British, although they love tabloids more than we do, appear to go to extremes when they get pissed at a new provider. Check out the Sun's actions, and the reaction, to the Hillsborough disaster. the Sun blamed the football fans when it was really the fault of the police so they boycotted the paper (this was back in 1989)

"Many people in the Liverpool area continue to reject buying The Sun as a matter of principle, and the paper's sales figures within Merseyside remain very poor. It is the only major newspaper not to have articles published on Liverpool's official website. As of 2004, the average daily circulation of The Sun in Liverpool was just 12,000 copies a day.<55> Some Liverpudlians refer to the paper as simply: The Scum.<56>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

If Rupert's papers get that kind of reputation throughout the country, it could be fun :)
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