Plan for a purge

[tcaudilllg]

I argue that any changes to Social Security beyond raising pay caps on those making more than $100k and/or reducing benefit payouts to those who were rich most of their lives, is contrary to the Democratic platform and treason against the party. Pursuant to that, I believe that we should storm state and local party meetings around the country if this deal includes any changes to Social Security other than the above.

And what is the worst we could lose? The Republicans get total control of government? They undo the whole New Deal legacy? Well sometimes you've got to lose to win, as far as that goes. I don't think we should think about losing, only about nominating the best people for the job. And the standard by which we measure the job, is decided by us every four years as our party platform. We need to stand by it and only support the best candidates who will vote the platform body, mind, and soul.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. 1000+ My question is, which Democrats are against this? And more importantly....

Are they stupid, mega-rich, or fake Democrats?

[polichick]

2. I think they're too afraid that the GOP will win, and that fear keeps them in line.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Why would the Repugs win again? Why do they EVER win? I don't understand that.

Are we not campaigning properly? Are we seeming like GOP Light and therefore uninteresting? Are they getting the church-sheep out to the polls again? (I am hating church people more and more every day).

[TK421]

4. we cave n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. I think so. I really want to know why we cave, tho. The real reason. nt

[TK421]

27. well...we're perceived as spineless and haven't done anything to shed that away

so far as I can see

Do you ever get tired of hearing a bunch of talk about what "could" happen instead of seeing what happens? That is how I view the current Democrats representing us...

Sure, there are a few good ones...genuine ones that really do speak for us, but they are outnumbered by the blue-dogs and the ones tied into special interests with their Republican golf partners.

I think sometimes some of us just get apathetic about the whole process, and certain representatives of "us" just don't give a shit anymore

[Sarah Ibarruri]

30. But apathy is our biggest enemy. It's the reason we're in the bind we're in...

And punishing our own is also not brilliant.

[TK421]

31. aw hell..I don't know what the solution is...I'm just tired

I'm so very tired anymore

[Sarah Ibarruri]

32. I know, I know. Please don't give up. nt

[polichick]

9. Looks to me like campaigning as a real Dem works - did for Obama in 2008 - but...

...becoming Republican lite doesn't inspire voters - as in 2010.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. I agree. Republican Lite will not work for a Dem. nt

[BeFree]

14. Why pubs win and win again?

Maybe, just maybe, since the companies that program and have complete control over the voting machines are owned by republicans? Maybe?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. Could be. Once we have answered this question (why repugs have been in power 30 years)....

We will know how to kick their evil, fascist behinds out.

[BeFree]

18. Here is an experiment

Have all federally elected office holder race ballots be hand marked and hand counted.

The feds can determine by law how the fed officials are balloted.

[polichick]

5. I'm with you - if this party doesn't stand for protecting Social Security...

...and other Democratic ideals, it has become irrelevant. Either we fight or walk away - to accept it is unthinkable.

(Actually we have already been expected to accept a lot of unDemocratic behavior, which is especially obvious in this administration's continuation of sicko Bush policies.)

[mia]

6. "vote the platform body, mind, and soul" - We already tried that and look at

where we are. Politicians will say anything to get elected. We need to nominate those with proven track records.

[Buns_of_Fire]

15. (Trouble is, with some notable exceptions, those track records are pretty sorry...) nt

[NNN0LHI]

7. Wait until you hear what the Dems making more than a hundred grand a year have to say

They will never say it is the raising of the cap that is pissing them off. They will look for another wedge to use. But it will in fact be raising the cap that will have them going berserk. They just won't admit to that.

Don

[leveymg]

10. Almost every Dem in upper incomes I know wants the SS cap lifted.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. I do not agree. My income has been over and under

and I have pushed for removing the cap since I first found out about it by benefiting from it. Not one person I know who earns over the cap would give a shit, it is not that much of a difference, and for those whose incomes cause it to be a goodly sum paid, it matters even less. A person making 110K would only be paying 'extra' on 10K. Not much money at that level. And so it goes.
Your post is just an assumption with no reason given for your opinion. I do not agree, for the above reasons of personal experience. There is nothing there to rate 'going berserk' over. At all. Most such earners would never even notice the difference, much less care about it.

[leveymg]

8. Most State & Local Party Officials will agree with you. I know, I am one. If you're pissed

about this, try expressing it a little higher up. Good luck.

I am afraid the greater danger is a purge of the Democratic Party Left, as happened in 1948 and 1996.

[Cleita]

13. Unfortunately, the party I joined no longer exists.

Our party platform has been usurped by corporate friendly DLC Democrats who are DINOs. The rest of the party, the liberal, progressive side has been shoved aside and marginalized by big money that plays both sides of the aisle for their benefit and enrichment. We no longer seem to stand for labor, main street and minorities, which were the traditional cornerstones of this party.

[leveymg]

17. It exists. It just isn't in the upper leadership. The real problem - to get & stay there, you have

to make the deal with the guys who write the checks:



Reform campaign finance, and that will kill them.

[Cleita]

22. You will never get that. They won't pass anything like

that and they are the ones who have the power to do it. Good old fashioned sixties style protests will. I mean the kind that disrupts their complacency and makes them a little afraid.

[leveymg]

25. I know, but ultimately politics must be denied money, and vis-a-versa. It's poison for a democracy.

Be very careful about the scary stuff. They can be scarier, but no smarter. In fact, most of them are fuck-ups and amoral degenerates -- with some major exceptions -- which makes most of them very dangerous when aroused. The smart ones generally go into more creative fields.

[blkmusclmachine]

19. We have no Party anymore.

And with the Citizens United decision, we are truly useless and dead to these "New Democrats." That's why they've turned so brazenly against the old Democratic Party Platform.

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. Yes. How about an extra helping of "Underground". n/t

[southernyankeebelle]

23. I have come to the conclusion we are going to get F'd over no matter the party. This

is a congress bought and paid for by corporations. Until the left, right and center raise up and start marching for our rights. Nothing we do or say is going to help the working people.

[H2O Man]

24. Recommended!

I agree 100%.

[KittyWampus]

26. Ah, the Ralph Nader argument. It lead to Bush and many thousands of deaths.

Fuck Nader and the argument "you've got to lose to win".

[Marr]

28. And sycophantic devotion has led to a Democratic Party that extends the Bush Tax Cuts and

cuts Social Security.

[jtuck004]

29. Should I bring doughnuts or coffee? n/t