"If ballots don’t work, bullets will"..Radio host in S. Florida. "Make them afraid...."

[madfloridian]

to come out of their houses"

Those words were spoken by South Florida people, one a congressman supported by the tea party, the other a radio host.

I was thinking today that it is not just Arizona that is having to deal with hate-filled rhetoric...Florida is well on its way to being host to just such an incident.

Just think...our new governor was responsible for the hostile atmosphere and threatening talk at the Democratic town hall clinics during the health care debate. He paid for those groups to organize and go to the town halls with the purpose of disrupting.

Yes, I have posted it before..I will keep doing so.

Rick Scott: Multimillionaire, Mastermind of Town Hall Riots

If you’re wondering who is primarily responsible for organizing the barbaric efforts to sabotage the Democratic town halls across the nation, wonder no longer. The man’s name is Rick Scott, and he is in charge of the Web site Conservatives For Patients Rights. He is a multimillionaire ex-hospital CEO whose company was charged with the largest case of financial fraud committed against the government in United States history.

He is not the only one who encouraged angry rhetoric and hateful spin. A newly elected congressman for the Palm Beach area is master of such language. He is going to bring "liberals" to their knees.

New FL congressman to bring "vile, vicious, despicable" leftwing to its knees.

The man who would have been right wing shock jock Joyce Kaufman’s boss in Washington, newly minted Congressman-elect Allen West, issued a sober statement in response to her withdrawing as his chief of staff Thursday … and then he went on the radio …

Letting his bandanna down, as it were, the biker mag columnist, ex-military mock executioner and musket musterer chosen to lead a District that includes toney Palm Beach, ripped the people he thinks brought Joyce down. From Naked Politics:

The incoming congressman just called into Joyce Kaufman’s radio show and told her while she’s taking on the left in South Florida, he’II “fight them on the battle field in Washington DC.

“I’m even more commited, even more focused on making sure that this liberal, progressive, socialist agenda, this leftwing vile, vicious, despicable machine that is out there is soundly brought to its knees,” he said.

Allen West also recently said to make someone afraid to come out of his house.

PFAW picks 10 Ten Scariest Republicans

West also has close ties to the Outlaws motorcycle gang, which an NBC News report found had criminal ties and a website that features a page honoring members who are in prison, extolling "members convicted of violent crimes, including murder." In a letter, West wrote: "Please, no more references to ‘criminal' because I can tell you, they have the utmost respect for me and that which I seek to achieve. I was never more amazed at how members of the Outlaws guarded me during a one hour cell phone radio interview."

West has addressed events sponsored by Outlaws-linked organizations, used Outlaws members to harass his rival's campaign workers, and writes a column for the group's magazine. The magazine, "Wheels on the Road," has published anti-Semitic, racist and sexist material, and once called women "oral relief stations."

West encouraged his supporters to use violence in suppressing the votes of opponents, saying, "You've got to make the fellow scared to come out of his house."

That Joyce Kaufman mentioned by West? She had made some threatening statements quite often, including the one in the subject line.

Miami Herald on Joyce Kaufman, including videos.

About an hour into Thursday's program, West called the show and promised to take on her liberal critics.

``I'm even more committed, even more focused on making sure that this liberal, progressive, socialist agenda, this leftwing vile, vicious, despicable machine that is out there is soundly brought to its knees,'' West said.

Kaufman blames the liberal media for trying to bring down conservative politicians. Liberal MSNBC host Rachel Maddow this week featured video of Kaufman supposedly inciting violence, and other websites have accused her of suggesting hanging illegal immigrants.

According to The Reid Report, a blog authored by political columnist Joy-Ann Reid, whose work has appeared in The Miami Herald, Kaufman, who often talks on the air about her weapons collection, was recorded at a July 4 political rally telling attendees ``if ballots don't work, bullets will,'' to remove politicians with contrary views to their own from office.

Kaufman also had an explanation ready about her words about exterminating the left.

In her radio program Thursday, Kaufman pushed back against depictions of herself as a person who would incite people to take up arms. After saying she wants to ``exterminate'' the left, she laughed and said, ``I mean in a humane way, trap them and release them in their homes."

Well, then, Joyce Kaufman..talk like that is okay as along as you don't want to be inhumane.

[Ilsa]

1. All of the ugly rhetoric needs to come out and be reviewed. Thank you. nt

[snagglepuss]

26. Exactly nt

[Hissyspit]

32. VIDEO of Kaufman is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x541803

[madfloridian]

35. Ah, thanks. I was looking for that clip.

:hi:

[XanaDUer]

2. I forgot about what West and his minions said

thank you for reminding me.

[madfloridian]

19. We need to remember.

I know some get tired of reading it, but it needs to be posted all along.

[Angry Dragon]

3. They sound like terrorists to me

[madfloridian]

5. Yes, the homegrown kind.

Instead of the usual international variety.

[Angry Dragon]

6. We create both kinds

The international terrorists by our wars in their countries
and the ones here by the vile hate that comes over the air waves

[madfloridian]

4. Scott and West are Republicans, NOT Democrats. It is NOT the left that is violent.

And we will learn nothing from this tragedy if we don't stop saying the "fringe on both sides."

SOMEONE must stand up and say no, the left is not violent like hard right is. Otherwise we just go on this way.

[savalez]

8. I agree. The tendancy to "equalize"

is not gonna solve the problem. It's the far right who ALWAYS resolves to lying and cheating, and when that doesn't work they threaten violence. Whether the shooting today was committed by a right-winger or not, this behavior has got to stop.

[madfloridian]

24. And it is even worse when our party does it...makes us sound like the right wing.

And they are doing it more and more lately.

[savalez]

27. So how do we retaliate?

Do the provoked eventually have the right to fight back? If so, what better way then fire with fire? This needs to be discussed.

[madfloridian]

29. I doubt there will be much fight in us. More likely apathy.

I feel it every time our party leaders refer to us as just like the right wing. It is so discouraging.

Unfortunately we don't seem to have the same kind of fight....maybe because we don't have a leader for our wing of the party.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. It's domestic terrorism. Plain and simple.

[madfloridian]

9. Yes, it is.

Making people afraid of them is their goal.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. They don't even try to hide that's their motivation.

Everyone hears them say it, and nobody in authority does anything about it.

[fascisthunter]

16. it is.... funny how our homeland security didn't see this coming

gee, dontcha feel safe?

[madfloridian]

20. Good point about Homeland Security not noticing.

And the DOJ is too busy going after Assange to worry about domestic terrorists who are shooting congress folks. :shrug:

[madfloridian]

46. Didn't DHS take down a report last year on the rise of hate groups?

And then apologize to the right wing for putting it up in the first place. :banghead:

[Ikonoklast]

11. As with many Republican Teabaggers, they assume one thing, incorrectly.

They make the assumption that all Democrats walk around unarmed, or have no clue as to how to handle a firearm.


Or have ever served in the Armed Forces, and have never used deadly force in the line of duty.






Big. Mistake.

[somone]

12. Highly recommended

West is a truly vile piece of garbage.

[Faryn Balyncd]

13. K and R.

[butterfly77]

14. Kick,kick,kick &recommended!

[tabasco]

15. We cannot blame the peace-loving teabaggers!

[madfloridian]

17. That picture gives me the chills.

:scared:

[Edweird]

18. I know some of the guys in West's scene. I used to work with them.

I would call them on their RW bullshit. They didn't like it, but things never escalated because they were intimidated by me :evilgrin:

There were "wheels on the road" mags all over the place.

[Name removed]

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[madfloridian]

22. Remembering the hate map of the SPLC....Florida one of highest numbers.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map

FL 3rd after CA and TX in number of hate groups.

Interactive map.

[madfloridian]

28. Number of hate groups: TX 66, CA 60, FL 51. Don't see left-leaning listed.

Scary. None of those on the list appear to be left leaning.

[madfloridian]

23. You can not be "bipartisan" with folks like this.

And our party leaders need to reexamine that word and think about what they are doing.

[truth2power]

25. I appreciate your efforts, MF.... Keep posting about this. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. And don't forget they murdered Dr Tiller here in Kansas

[Bluzmann57]

31. Here in Iowa, gay marriage is legal

Because of a ruling by the State Supreme Court. In November, three of the justices were voted out because of a concerted effort by the extreme rw to oust them. Now the same group of extremists want to impeach the remainder of the judges simply because they voted to legalize gay marriage. The point I'm eventually getting to is that there are likely insane murderous people who may be egged on by the extremists who advocate for impeachment. I hope that these judges have round the clock protection.
We like to think that we are better than this here, but let's face it, crazies are everywhere. It's sad that this is their vision for an "ideal" society. Sorry to ramble, but I just wanted to express concern. And let's hope that no incidents like this happen in Florida, Iowa, or anywhere else ever again.

[madfloridian]

40. I did not know that about the Iowa justices.

I think the rw tried the same thing here about ousting judges they considered "activist", but it did not work. I hate to say that at the time it was put on the ballot, most did not understand what it was about.

[AzDar]

33. K & R

:kick:

[RockaFowler]

34. Thanks for posting this Mad

:hug:

I do blame all of these wackos. They are all responsible for all of this hatred in this country right now.

[madfloridian]

43. FL's own governor paid for the ugliness at the town halls

That's a pretty sad thing.

[Chimichurri]

36. Despicable.

[Rex]

37. And where are the Rwing apologists on this thread?

nowhere to be seen...come on kids! I'm certain you can come up with some weak ass excuses if you just have the courage to post in this thread! :eyes:

[nxylas]

38. "Bbbbut the Black Panthers"

"My sister and my mother saw a post on Free Republic what said that the Black Panthers were forcing people to vote for Obama. She didn't say where it happened, but it's true anyway, you just won't hear about it in the liberal media because they don't want you to know the truth". (© All Teabaggers).

[madfloridian]

39. Hissyspit has the video posted of Kaufman..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x541803

I know he posted it in this thread but I don't see it now?? Maybe I am crazy after all.

[madfloridian]

41. Okay..

I do see the post with the video clip...sorry about that.

[boomerbust]

42. Back in the 60's

The Outlaws were considered a radical left wing group.

[madfloridian]

45. Why was that?

What did they stand for that made them left wing? Or was it just rhetoric then as now?

[pnorman]

44. K & R!

n/t