So, what's the whiplash going to feel like around here if Obama is playing 11D Chess?

[Fumesucker]

It's certainly a possibility, I think most of us just disagree about how strong a possibility it is.

The Karmic Earthquake, to put it mildly, should be entertaining.

:hi:

:grouphug:

[postulater]

1. If he is, we will never know it because any victory will be hidden behind another eight dimensions.

[Fumesucker]

3. I doff my hat to you sir..

Your cynicism is magnificent, you must spend a lot of time exercising it.

;)

[postulater]

9. I have become quite proficient over the years. Thank you for the acknowledgement.

:toast:

[PDJane]

2. Depends.

On what he does when he the ability to keep medicare and medicaid in his sights.
On what he does when Julian Assange is in US hands.

I don't disbelieve that he can do well. What I have some doubts of is what he will do.

[frazzled]

15. "what he WILL do"

I see. There is nothing he can accomplish that will be sufficient. There will always be something he may (or may not) do in the future that will prevent you from accepting him. On permanent probation.

75% of the complaints about Obama on this board are lodged with respect to something he may do in the future.

"what he does when Julian Assange is in US hands": I almost coughed up an entire cup of tea laughing on that one.

[Fumesucker]

21. There really aren't that many places on the internet that are even as sane as DU..

Not for politics, the whackjobs, both conservative and just plain flying mammal guano types dominate just about everywhere.

Obama has given plenty of reasons not to fully trust him.

[murielm99]

4. If I am wrong, I will say so.

I will start a thread that says, "I was wrong."

I hope I am wrong. I pray I am wrong.

[Fumesucker]

6. I'm with you..

:scared:

[gkhouston]

19. I would LOVE to be wrong about this. Who the hell wouldn't?

If what we believe is going to happen comes to pass, it's going to be horrible, in so many ways. I'd much rather be wrong.

[Dept of Beer]

27. I've already said I would do the same to...ClarkUSA.

[Dept of Beer]

28. But if I am right I will be saddened beyond words.

[myrna minx]

31. Me too. n/t

[aquart]

5. I can take pure delirious joy in being wrong this time.

I would happily be wrong every day and twice on Sunday if what I need and cherish is protected. You know, like my country.

[nc4bo]

13. Love the way you put that and I share your sentiments. nt

[woo me with science]

26. +1

[Liberal Veteran]

7. Given the "Boehner Blinked" and related headlines popping up...

I'm thinking we might find out.

[deacon]

34. Yep. Obama has him now. He just has to throw the haymaker. n/t

[Autumn]

8. I will be so delighted to wear a neck brace

if it is 11D Chess, in fact I would be down right tickled to wear one.

[WillyT]

10. LOL !!! - GMTA !!!

I was just gonna post the same thing!

:D

:hi:

[gkhouston]

20. +1. I will not, however, embellish my brace with that dipshit "circle D" symbol.

It's still ugly and stupid-looking.

[Autumn]

23. Isn't that just the stupidest thing that was

ever created? I can't stand it.

[gkhouston]

25. It looks like an elevator button to me. Press "D" for down. n/t

[QC]

37. It's always made me think of a corporate logo,

which is, come to think of it, very fitting.

[Zorra]

38. Me too. And I absolutely love crow. It's actually my favorite dish.

The tastiest crow is usually served in DC.

But, unfortunately, it's downright impossible to get decent crow these days.

[sendero]

11. We hear this every time..

... at this point is has become insulting.

[Fumesucker]

22. Which is why it would be so sick if it happened..

It would totally blindside a bunch of people and I know several on here who would think I was one them.

[msongs]

12. it's about observable and measurable outcomes that can be verified. talk means nothing nt

[MannyGoldstein]

17. +1 nt

[Jakes Progress]

14. What's it going to be like if the game is checkers and he loses?

Bet there won't be many who admit it though. Somehow, whatever comes out of the "game" will be declared a victory. republican politicians and Democratic politicians will both pat themselves on the back, strut before the cameras, and announce their "win".

Meanwhile the people I work with at the center will still be out of work, still be without medical care, and still be trying to feed their family. They'll just be doing it without the "fair share" that they will kick in for the "win".

Sorry if this seems like a downer to you. But this is what will happen. This is what these beautiful people have to deal with. Despair and lost dignity is what they get when rich politicians win.

[Fumesucker]

16. My OP wasn't really about what's going to happen in the world..

Just DU..

Not that I disagree with you much but that's not what I was talking about this particular time.

:hi:

[Jakes Progress]

40. Neither was my first paragraph.

On DU, neither side will admit error. On DU, no matter what crap the world has to suffer because of the "deal" the centrists will claim victory. DU is in exactly the same state as the rest of the country. Polarized with little introspection or reflection. The party has split and DU just reflects that. You have the old time, wild-eyed, activist liberals and the new party centrists. That is the bulk of the Democratic party right now. Both claim to be the heart of the party. But we are split. What the old guard will see as capitulation and caving will be hailed as brilliant strategy by the new third-way Democrats.

So no. Unless the deal that passes calls for an end to corporate well-fare, an end to the bush tax cuts, and a return to a progressive tax policy there won't be any whip-lash. Just the slow shaking of the head from side to side.

Now. I would be joyous in my sore neck if it meant that a substantive progressive deal passes. My mea culpas will be effusive.

My question goes the other way. Will there be a whiplash of insight if the president caves by making a deal that limits SS and Medicare by cutting those funds and gets only a slight cut in yacht taxes or a small reduction in corporate entitlements? How bad does the deal have to be before the ever faithful begin to question?

[Fumesucker]

43. Good question..

It would be interesting if someone were to make an OP of it, this one wasn't very popular so I'm not inclined to throw yet another brilliant thought brain fart into the abyss that is DU.

[elocs]

18. I would be more than satisfied if I were sure that Obama was adept at playing regular chess.

This multiple D chess playing is just so much bullshit.

Cynicism is part of being a Democrat. It's bad enough when you get screwed over by Republicans because that is what they do. It's hard to take when you get betrayed by your own party.

Apparently no cherished Democratic Party ideals or values are too important not to be compromised or bargained away.

[DrinkBeerNotTea]

24. he already looks weak, regardless of how debt deal resolved

[Bobbie Jo]

29. Not to worry, the negative framing won't miss a beat...

You can bookmark this now.

[lamp_shade]

30. I applaud those who will be happily admit they were wrong. I'm unaffected by those who

will inevitably disappear and stop posting until the next call to outrage. Same old bunch.

[DiverDave]

32. HUH? He ain't playing anything

Someone sat him down at some point and told him the facts of life.

He is doing what he is told. period.

11D chess my aching ass

[deacon]

33. Boehner has dropped his hands and left his chin wide open. Obama needs to throw the punch. n/t

[kentuck]

35. Blind faith...

no different from the kooky religious nuts on the right.

[JVS]

36. I'm not too concerned about whiplash.

[mmonk]

39. It is a convincing round of chess with his recent rhetoric giving credence

to supply side falacies.

[TheKentuckian]

41. Chess to win what? I'm seeing no payoff worth the gamble and little that will be worth

whatever candy he passes out in his standard mode of operation.

No matter what the outcome, he has given credibility to the underlying TeaPubliKlan position. There is no "winning" from there whatever dimension of chess is played. We know the TeaPubliKlans are intransigent ideologues and history is stacked high with evidence of such including their own proud proclamations.

What "chess" is there to be played here and what is there to "win"?

[Capitalocracy]

42. He'll have a hard time explaining to me why putting SS on the chopping block

was good for the nation, regardless of whether it ends up getting cut in the end or not.