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Derechos Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:38 PM
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Where The Money Went (stimulus) - Krugman
Look at the peak quarter of stimulus (pdf - http://www.bea.gov/recovery/pdf/arra_table_01b.pdf), which was the first quarter of 2010. I’m going to rearrange the categories a bit. Here’s how I read it: at annual rates (in other words, actual numbers in the quarter were only 1/4 as large), the total budget impact was $357 billion. Of that, we had:

Tax cuts and refundable tax credits: $151 billion
Aid to individuals (mainly unemployment insurance and food stamps): $70 billion
Aid to state and local governments: $103 billion
Everything else: $33 billion

Note that the aid to individuals was basically safety net, and the aid to state and local was about mitigating spending cuts rather than spending expansion. Basically, this was at best an attempt to beef up automatic stabilizers.

So much for “we tried Keynesian policies and they didn’t work.”

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/where-the-money-went/
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IndianaJoe Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:40 PM
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1. Yeah, now we'll spend no money and see how that works. n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:41 PM
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2. The geniuses on the right and in the "center"..
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 03:53 PM by girl gone mad
honestly believe (or pretend to believe) that once the government gets out of the way, money will start falling from the clouds.

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The Big Vetolski Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 03:52 PM
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3. I thought government created the money. Silly me. nt
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:07 PM
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7. Yep.
Where would they get the money to pay their taxes if the government didn't create it in the first place?

They want to make it a zero sum game and twist the screws even harder into labor, retirees and savers.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:00 PM
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4. Thanks for this. I plan to use it in my new piece coming soon.
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 04:01 PM by mmonk
This shows the joke the Republicans have regarding their claim of failure of Keynesianism along with their allies, the Libertarians and the New Democrats.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:03 PM
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5. When you have a stimulus that was a third
tax cuts of one sort or another, it ain't Keynesian.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:05 PM
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6. How much of that is stimulus dollars that couldn't be spent fast enough
Because there are no such things as shovel ready projects?

Maybe our system is too cumbersome to do the best types of stimulus.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:19 PM
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9. IMO our system is broken and obsolete, and needs to be retooled for the
Edited on Sun Jul-10-11 04:38 PM by RKP5637
21st century. Of course, none on the gravy train are going to do that and unfortunately money = power = bribing = running the country. It will take a major crisis wherein the really monied are losing lots of cash before anything might get changed. I think similar, "Maybe our system is too cumbersome to do the best types of stimulus."

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:26 PM
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11. The part that went to the states was to replace the Freidman
economics of budgets cuts during a recession. Therefore, it wasn't Keynesian in that it did not add spending in the states.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:11 PM
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8. K & R !!!
:kick:
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-10-11 04:21 PM
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10. K&R !!! n/t
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