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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:50 PM Original message |
Poll question: If a married drunk man has sex with a sober person other than his spouse, |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. i find the drunken consent issue to be very complex |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I think if we're going to call every act of drunken sex "rape", there's a ridiculous amt. of rape |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Short of an IV and restraints... |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. slipping something in their drink. giving someone larger amts of alcohol |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Implicit in the OP is the assumption that he wasn't involuntarily drugged. n/t |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I changed my OP to make this more clear. nt |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
3. If he is a victim of rape ... |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Sigh. Another thinly veiled attack on George Soros? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. Depends on how drunk. N.T. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Too drunk to drive, but he can walk. nt |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Is his head clear enough to give informed consent? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. How is his partner to know that his consent is informed? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. If in doubt, assume not, of course. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. There is the gray area. Can a drunk person give consent? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
74. There is a difference between consent and legal consent, wanting to clarify since that was part of |
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Countdown_3_2_1 (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. Adultery! Stop looking for loopholes. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I invite you to check out the thread linked in my OP. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
8. Surprise! |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
10. It depends on the marital status and gender of the other partner |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. I should have stated I was not referring to the law. I should probably edit my poll. nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. My take is, there is the real world for 99.999% of us, and then there are isolated circles |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. When I was raped at age 19 my having consumed alcohol was used to discredit me |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:32 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. If you were raped, you were raped. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. And my point is cut the disingenuous crap. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I'm not going to get in a fight with you. I'm sorry- honestly- for your experiences. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. No one in this thread is claiming police stations are full of women who have |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
63. +1,000,000,000,000,000,000 |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
15. ...he's an asshole. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. What if an unmarried woman, who is just as drunk, has sex with a sober man, and then |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. I would think she's an asshole too. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. My agenda is logic and argumentation. I love it. nt |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Okay, but what if the sober person were Sigourney Weaver? Doesn't that change things? |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
45. An asshole with good taste is yet an asshole. |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
16. Depends on if he was drunk voluntarily. Had he been slipped some GHB (roofie)... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. He drank the alcohol voluntarily. nt |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
21. Oh man...I wish I could have rec'd the thread you linked to |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
26. There's too much relativism in this thread. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
27. According to some, he was raped. |
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negativenihil (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
28. Had the gender been reversed... |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
29. Nice try, Mr. Draper. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Funny. nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
33. Thanks so much for keeping us apprised of this widespread problem |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I am looking for faulty logic. How about you? Do you detect any faulty logic? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. You have hypotheticals. Here's a real situation: |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. I agree with you about the rape of the Japanese woman. She was raped. |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. It depends on the circumstances. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
39. Quid pro quo - if he sees it as rape, then it is |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Post facto? Does he have to see it as rape that night, or is the next morning okay? n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. What's the rule for women? |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
40. One thing I've learned after many years on DU... |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Unfortunately, you are correct |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
70. Well I guess that is my word of the day... |
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laundry_queen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
43. I'm just thinking out loud here... |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
49. I think if there's no claim of blackout or coercion, it's adultery. |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
50. I have said "adulterer" but... |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
51. I think it depends on how drunk they are. Having been married to an |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
54. what you would be |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
55. Would he have had sex if he wasn't drunk? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. No. He would have resisted and kept his marital vows. nt |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Interesting argument. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
58. Straight out of the soap operas |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
59. I don't even understand where rape comes into the equation. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Some DUers explain the logic in the link in the OP. |
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Township75 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
60. The keyword is "man". If it were "woman", she would have been taken advantage of... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
61. Neither |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
64. If the one takes advantage of another's drunkeness to fuck him/her it's rape. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Several years ago on New Year's Eve I went out with friends and got really drunk |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. Whaa? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Maybe I didn't convey the creepiness of the situation well enough |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Thanks, that helps clarify. n/t |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
65. This is an interesting question. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
66. Unconscious is rape. Tipsy is self-impaired judgment. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
68. I voted Cheater... Booze: helping me get laid since 1989. |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
69. You would be an adulterer |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
71. Forget it, Charley, as the New York saying goes...nt |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
72. I never buy the "I was drunk" excuse from guys. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Not all sex requires "function." nt |
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