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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:31 PM
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NYT: A Turning Point in the Discourse, but in Which Direction?
WASHINGTON — Within minutes of the first reports Saturday that Representative Gabrielle Giffords, an Arizona Democrat, and a score of people with her had been shot in Tucson, pages began disappearing from the Web. One was Sarah Palin’s infamous “cross hairs” map from last year, which showed a series of contested Congressional districts, including Ms. Giffords’s, with gun targets trained on them. Another was from Daily Kos, the liberal blog, where one of the congresswoman’s apparently liberal constituents declared her “dead to me” after Ms. Giffords voted against Nancy Pelosi in House leadership elections last week.

Odds are pretty good that neither of these — nor any other isolated bit of imagery — had much to do with the shooting in Tucson. But scrubbing them from the Internet couldn’t erase all evidence of the rhetorical recklessness that permeates our political moment. The question is whether Saturday’s shooting marks the logical end point of such a moment — or rather the beginning of a terrifying new one.

Modern America has endured such moments before. The intense ideological clashes of the 1960s, which centered on Communism and civil rights and Vietnam, were marked by a series of assassinations that changed the course of American history, carried out against a televised backdrop of urban riots and self-immolating war protesters. During the culture wars of the 1990s, fought over issues like gun rights and abortion, right-wing extremists killed 168 people in Oklahoma City and terrorized hundreds of others in Atlanta’s Centennial Olympic Park and at abortion clinics in the South.

What’s different about this moment is the emergence of a political culture — on blogs and Twitter and cable television — that so loudly and readily reinforces the dark visions of political extremists, often for profit or political gain. It wasn’t clear Saturday whether the alleged shooter in Tucson was motivated by any real political philosophy or by voices in his head, or perhaps by both. But it’s hard not to think he was at least partly influenced by a debate that often seems to conflate philosophical disagreement with some kind of political Armageddon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09bai.html?hp
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:47 PM
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1. A labeled blue dog democrat, a so called conservative judge, a little girl
And others. Republican, democrat whatever - none deserve to be murdered and all should ne mourned.
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KILL THE WISE ONE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:53 PM
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4. a blue dog ?
voted for heathcare reform repeal of DADT ?
may not be all that accurate a label.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:51 PM
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2. Except that "dead to me" just means ignoring someone
I can see why the Kos poster could have been uncomfortable enough to take it down -- but the phrase itself carries no overtones of violence. So to equate that to Palin's cross-hairs ad is just one more case of disingenuous both-sides-do-it-ism.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you%20are%20dead%20to%20me

old english saying that was used to announce that the person in question was disowned or would never be "seen, or heard" again.


http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/on-notice-dead-to-me

One early segment of Stephen Colbert’s The Colbert Report included two boards with slide-out nameplates. If a person or group ticked Colbert off for actions they took (directly towards Colbert or in general), he would add their name to the “On Notice” board. If the group continues the same action, they would eventually be moved to the “Dead To Me” board.

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Ramulux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-11 10:52 PM
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3. What bullshit
Edited on Sat Jan-08-11 10:52 PM by Ramulux
That comparison between Palin's map and some random person on Daily Kos saying that she was dead to them is such crap. Look at how far they have to stretch so they can play the "both sides do it game".

No one on our side is inciting violence in any way, no one on our side is even carrying out any violence, while the right does it over and over and over. Yet still, the media blames both side. The asshole who wrote this shitty article had to scour Daily Kos to find some random dude saying something violent sounding so he could compare it with one of the most prominent republicans in the country. Just think about that for a second, somehow some dude on a liberal blog saying Giffords was dead to them is comparable to a republican presidential candidate using violent imagery towards her. Such crap.
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