"John Boehner is a good man who really cares about America."

[theophilus]

...nuff said, really. If he believes that he's a moron. If he doesn't he's a liar. The idea that we must "put our financial house in order" before there can be any new programs to help the vast majority or any increases in those programs is Republican b.s. IMO. Color me unimpressed. We have been sold down the river.

[BeyondGeography]

1. Oh, shut up

[SidDithers]

2. +1...nt

Sid

[Flubadubya]

10. So, if you and "Mr. Shut up" believe John Boehner is as President Obama describes...

then :puke: :thumbsdown:

[ej510]

15. He's not going to say that, and even though I disagree with him a lot now. He

cannot say that. He would be casts as the angry black man. Even though Boehner is a fascist. Obama cannot state those words.

[Flubadubya]

20. Say what? I didn't suggest he should have said...

ANYTHING! Please see post #14. :shrug:

[FiveGoodMen]

44. If Obama can't speak the truth because of his race

then we can't afford to put a minority in the White House.

That job's too important to fill with someone that you're going to make excuses for later.

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. +1000

They want Obama to say "Boehner's a neo-fascist asshole evil-doer" at a Presidential press conference.

Yeesh.

:rofl:

[dissidentboomer]

8. Why not? I think the time has come.

[JuniperLea]

13. As if to illustrate!

Ah jeez... seriously... good god.

[theophilus]

9. Do YOU believe that? Anyway, "if you don't have anything nice to say (truthfully)

just say nothing at all. That is what I wish would happen. Mr. Obama's playing nice has resulted in no positive benefits for most folks.

[JuniperLea]

16. Nonsense...

The list of accomplishments is quite long.

[BeyondGeography]

21. My take is he sees an opening with Boehner, to get an acceptable deal and split the GOP

If it's ultimately fantasy, he should stop with the air kisses. At this stage of the game, he gives Boehner some cover by being civil.

[Foolacious]

41. He's NOT playing nice.

He's just manoeuvred Boehner into a difficult position. Boehner is now tainted by the hand of That One in the eyes of his constituents and caucus-mates; at the same time, expectations are raised among the public at large about what Boehner should be able to do with his caucus. What can Boehner say now? "No, I don't care about America"? "No, I'm not a good man"? "No, I can't corral my caucus"?

When you want good behaviour from children, you treat them as if they are good children, and make it clear that that's what you expect of them. I'm not certain it will work in this case, but it's worth a shot. Better than being silent, better than publicly castigating him.

[immoderate]

47. And Boner is an honorable man, but so are they all honorable men...

He came to praise him, not to bury him. :rofl:


--imm

[SidDithers]

30. Amazing, huh?...

:banghead:

Sid

[Karmadillo]

3. Please stop posting the truth. We prefer to wallow in fantasy.

nt

[Bobbie Jo]

17. That has been quite obvious. nt

[WinkyDink]

4. Under Clinton, we had a surplus. Before that, a deficit. SO WHY NOW do we have this over-arching

concern?

WHY???????

There's more to this approach to governance than we are being told.

[originalpckelly]

22. Actually, no we didn't. They stole money from Social Security.

Taxes were still too low then and we were really running a deficit, but they stole money from Social Security.

And remember the taxes that feed the Social Security trust funds are regressive, poor and middle class folks pay more in these taxes than do the rich. It's a way of shifting the tax burden away from the rich to the poor and middle class.

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. I'm seeing the same buzzwords that started in Iceland

by the Banksters. It has spread all through the West, from Greece, Spain, Italy, GB,France......
Obama is even doing the same buzzwords.

Conspiracy? Well I do think that its not a coincidence.
That these measures save the Banksters and not
the people....

When Geithner tells NBC's "Meet the Press" that it's a very tough economy. He says that for a lot of people



"it's going to feel very hard, harder than anything they've experienced in their lifetime now, for a long time to come."

There is no WE it is THEY in that statement.

The IMF thing was just a coincidence, ..........
nothing is related or connected....... Right?

[QC]

6. How heartwarming. n/t

[dionysus]

7. yes, he should call him an asshole on live TV, just to make you happy.

[theophilus]

11. I think several would be happy. Not just me. But, let's just make it all about me. Fine. n/t

[theaocp]

12. How about that he's an obstructionist?

Instead of agreeing that he's a swell guy? Seriously, WTF is wrong with the Boehner-is-a-great-guy folks here? Did you hit your head this morning?

[theophilus]

25. Mr. Obama is not differentiating the Democratic brand from the Republican on

in my opinion. He never has. They are just like us but have some misguided notions. That seems to be what he is saying. Why change your vote to Dem from Rep? No difference really. They are great folks who really love America.

[Flubadubya]

14. Better to say nothing at all than to lie...

especially at least 3 or 4 times in one press conference. :eyes:

[Bluerthanblue]

34. who are you to say it's a lie?

Pres. Obama stated what his view of Boehner is. Do you see those who you disagree with, even vehemently as "bad people who don't give a shit about anything?"

I vehemently disagree with several on DU, especially lately- but I also believe that they are good people, sincere in their position, (even if wrong) ::p: and don't doubt that they believe they are defending what is 'best'.

:shrug:

[JuniperLea]

23. Exactly...

So many are suffering under the delusion that real life should be managed like discussion message boards.

All this would be fixed with a couple of well placed 'fuck you' or similar comments.

That'll whip things into shape!

:banghead:


Personally, I'm sick of being told to 'grow up' by those who would have the Prez and all Dems flinging poo... just like they do.

Disgusting.

[shanti]

18. well, he's certainly not a moron....

:eyes:

[OHdem10]

19. To be fair, Boehner is not a Tea Party Whacko. He has a problem.

If it had not been for the TEA PARTY, Boehner would
not be Speaker of the House. Nancy Pelosi would be
speaker and the Republicans would still be down at
the bottom. The GOP embraced the Tea Party and this
gives the Tea Party huge advantage within the Republican
Party. Boehner is boxed in by the Tea Party. If the
truth be known many Republicans are frustrated with
their Whackos but they are stuck with them.

I would be willing to bet if it were not for the TP,
Boehner and Obama could draw up a good deal if you
can call anything that is managing a crisis good.

Tea Party will primary and get rid of anyone including
Boehner. These are some new kind of politicians.

This is not your father's Republican Party.

[theophilus]

26. I agree he has a problem. I think Mr. Obama and the Dems could have gone

a long way to actually fix many of our problems if they had acted, early on, in a more Progressive manner. If they had not spent their wad on the healthcare fiasco but had invested in a really strong jobs program I don't believe we would be in this mess. Mr. Obama is still using Republican weasel words and is still not solving the job situation. Now it's, "Oh well, we have to get our finances in order then we can put people back to work....in the long run." Great.

[BeyondGeography]

28. That's the political story

Cantor and the teabaggers want him out. Their party is a mess. If Obama starts treating Boehner like one of them, what's Boehner's incentive to do anything with Obama?

[theophilus]

31. If Boehner works with Obama the baggers will get him out. So what will

Johnny do? Resign?

[BeyondGeography]

33. That has nothing to do with why Obama is smart to keep his relationship with Boehner

as healthy as it can be for now.

I'm still betting against a happy ending, but why wouldn't you want to expose the baggers for the nuts they are in the meantime? That's why you don't publicly question Boehner's intentions right now.

[TheKentuckian]

36. It doesn't matter because Boner can't get votes for anything loosely describable as fair

or broadly beneficial nor does he want to, he wishes to extract cuts and funnel wealth to the wealthy.

Bachman may make Boner SEEM reasonable but her presence does not MAKE him reasonable.

You are allowing your view of the world to be dictated by framing.

[BeyondGeography]

39. Has nothing to do with my view of the world

Calling out Boehner right now gives the baggers cover. Wrong move.

[AlinPA]

50. Boehner is on the same page as the teabaggers and there is "no daylight between them" as they say.

He will lose his seat if the debt ceiling is raised. No matter what is negotiated, the republicans will vote against raising the debt ceiling. They want to hurt the president and don't care about Wall St. This is not the republican party of 2009 and earlier. Except for a few, those people are all crazed including Boehner.

[Ganja Ninja]

27. Yeah it makes me sick too.

It reminds me of Joe Lieberman and the friendly debate he had Darth Cheney back in 2000.

You can't even begin to fight the enemy if you're afraid to speak critically of them. Obama is a coward and a piss poor leader.

[Bluerthanblue]

29. our response to that statement

says far more about who each one of us are as individuals than it does about anything else imo.

I hope you will take the time to really consider that.

[theophilus]

32. Would you expand on that, please? I'm interested. n/t

[xphile]

40. Apparently we're supposed to be nice to the assholes who would have us starve to death in the

streets.

Fuck that noise.

[Bryn]

35. You owe me a new laptop!

hahahaha! Boner a good man?

[theophilus]

38. Hey, I didn't say it. Send the bill to Mr. Obama. n/t

[KamaAina]

37. "KamaAina is a billionaire with a bevy of nubile young women living in his Beverly Hills mansion."

As if. :eyes:

[ProgressIn2008]

42. Meh, "bipartisanship" isn't a painful reality - they're all rich men in the same golf club anyway.nt

[theophilus]

45. That is one of my strongest fears. n/t

[G_j]

46. painful for the American people

for them.. not so much...

[n2doc]

43. It just depends on how he defines 'America"

Your problem is that you keep thinking Obama means all of us. What he means is "Those 1% of Americans who contribute heavily to my re-election funds, and those of my fellow pols, and hire our wives and children, and fund our Libraries when we retire" And Obama is right. To those people Boehner is a 'good man" and he really does care for them (and only them).

[theophilus]

48. Point taken, sadly. n/t

[mzmolly]

49. Reverse psychology.

Love your post! < see? ;)