Ladies And Gentlemen, We Have A Totally New Scariest Jobs Chart Ever

[Yooperman]

From the Business Insider... this chart tells it all. Our recovery is really a non recovery. I still see around 400,000 NEW unemployment claims each week, a number that has been pretty steady for over 2 years now. As a person that lost his job nearly 3 years ago and used up all my unemployment benefits, I certainly can relate to this chart. I have had to take a part time job at minimum wage to at least have some money in my pocket. Thank goodness I have a Mother that allows me to live with her and help her around the home rent free. Not bad for a 54 year old eh?

Deregulation starting with Reagan and Nafta signed into law by Clinton did this country in. Bush didn't help things by giving rich more money. Now we are reaping the benefits of those policies. 50,000 manufacturing companies leave taking with them hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs.

We have no chance to ever get back what we lost. A former fellow employee of mine saw an ad in his local paper for "experienced" woodworkers. Since that is our profession he called on it... starting pay $9.00 hr. A living wage isn't part of the U.S. equation anymore.

Sad isn't it. I am disgusted with all politicians and wondering why the Democrats let it all happen.




http://www.businessinsider.com/details-from-the-awful-june-june-jobs-report-2011-7

[dixiegrrrrl]

1. the only people who seem "surprised" by this are gov. economists.

as marmar headlined it so well in a post a couple of days ago:

Economists ‘Stunned’ that they are clueless

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1444415

[ck4829]

2. And with unemployment discrimination becoming the new hot thing, how many of these people will never

even have an interview ever again?

We need drastic measures, an employer of last resort and regulations to tackle discrimination against the unemployed and using credit scores as a hiring filter.

But noooo, we're just going to get another 10 years of "Just wait for the tax cuts to give the job creators the confidence they need to begin hiring!"

[Jim Warren]

3. I'd like to see that chart go back to the 1930's

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[jtuck004]

13. Chart on page 46 of this link goes to 1948

I am not sure if the BLS goes stats go that far back, but I will continue to look

http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/economists/sahin/duration.pdf

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Did a little more looking, I think they started collecting this stat about 1948, so there is no earlier data.

[gkhouston]

21. Pity. It would be interesting to see the stats for the 1930's. n/t

[pinqy]

30. There aren't any

Unemployment statistics weren't regularly collected until the 40's.

[Starry Messenger]

4. recommend.

[democrat_patriot]

5. "I am disgusted with all politicians and wondering why the Democrats let it all happen."

Democrats 'let it all happen'? Really?

We should vote Republican then.

[Yooperman]

7. No... that isn't the option....

Clinton signed NAFTA... he could have vetoed it. Period!

We have NO choice but to vote Democratic. It is just in my opinion they let us down.

[Divernan]

9. They don't give a flying **** about our opinions, as long as they have our votes.

[hfojvt]

26. or don't bother to vote

"they all suck"

There sure does seem to be a concerted push to disparage the Democratic recovery. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/155

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[Divernan]

8. OP's link is to a US Dept. of Labor chart - and you can't dispute that, can you?!?

Thanks OP. If that's the best they can throw at you, they got nothin'!

And oh, oh! Mr. Kotter! It's against the DU rules to refer to the low number of posts!

[Yooperman]

11. I really don't see your point. Reality is reality...

Job numbers haven't improved.... would they be worse with a Republican president... I am sure they would be.

It doesn't change the facts. NAFTA was the worst piece of legislation ever passed in my lifetime. I wish it were different...but it's not.

I haven't voted Republican since I fell for Reagan's sweet speech his first time around. Once I saw in the first couple of years of his first term what he was doing, I never ever fell for the Republican bullshit again.

Since, 1997... I have had 6 different woodworking jobs.... 5 of the 6 companies that I worked for shut down completely or moved to a foreign country. The last one laid off over 3/4 of the workers and is barely hanging on.

So don't give me shit on how I feel. I am sure you haven't lost your job recently.

[amborin]

10. K&R

[slipslidingaway]

12. knr nt

[ileus]

14. Looks more like the scariest jobless chart to me...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. "These jobs are gone, boys, and they ain't comin' back.." Bruce Springsteen

The unpleasant truth is that labor is viewed as a commodity by the corporations and they'll get where it's cheapest. Further, getting cheap labor provides cheaper products which will be bought by unemployed/underemployed people here because they can't afford to buy more expensive products made here.

A consumer economy without consumers doesn't bode well for "recovery".

[woo me with science]

16. K&R nt

[woo me with science]

17. Kick. nt

[Urban Prairie]

18. That graph is really going "off the chart"...yikes!!

How very realistically and unfortunately depressing.

And what are the (slim) chances of electing Democrats as POTUS for 3-4 consecutive terms?

That is what would be needed, to attempt to offset and repair the damage that has been done during the past 30 years of Rethug and Rethug-lite implemented policies and administrations.

Maybe Obama will be elected for one more term, half of that as a lame duck, but by the fall of '16, all bets may be off...

Much less the chances of electing Dem majorities in both the House and Senate.

I have a feeling that by 2020, there may very well be no need or perhaps even worse, no way to hold any national, state, or local elections.

I "should" officially become a senior citizen by the end of this decade, but only if the Rethugs fail to legislate me out of existence beforehand.

:scared:

[xmas74]

19. Totally off topic,

but after seeing your name I looked at your profile. I lived in the U.P. for a couple of years as a child and wish I could move back someday. I find myself looking at property online in Marquette Co. all the time.

[Yooperman]

24. It's a great place to live... I had been away for nearly 30 years...

I was born and raised in Marquette county... married a Loper and ended up living downstate for several years.

The economy and lack of being able to find a job with adequate pay was the catalyst for my wife of 29 years and I to separate. Kids are grown... my Mom needs someone to help her in her final years... it all works out. I am so happy to be back. I have been able to do more fishing this year than I had done in the last 10 years...:-)

I have over 30 trout in my freezer - brookies, rainbows, brown and steelhead(planted rainbows) My daughters are coming up to visit this weekend and we are going to have a Trout Feast at my brothers home in Baraga. There is a small but great music festival there Saturday also.

Not a lot of jobs up here...although the iron mining seems to be doing ok.... one of the few industries that our government protects with tariffs. If they didn't ... all the iron mines would close also. Does that tell you something on how we should handle cheap labor countries that can produce products at a lower cost than we can.

Peace

Hope you make it back someday... if you do ... look me up and I will take you fishing...:-)

YM

[xmas74]

29. We go every few years.

If I could I'd move up there but I have a child custody thing over my head. (Meaning: he has no contact but can refuse us any chance to move even out of this county.)

Maybe someday I'll move back.

[Liberal_in_LA]

20. K&R

[Qutzupalotl]

22. 400K or fewer new unemployment claims is considered healthy.

We've been close to that for awhile.

[Maru Kitteh]

23. Your assertion that "Democrats let it all happen" is a stinking pile.

Your concern is duly noted.

[Yooperman]

25. Clinton could have vetoed NAFTA and he didn't ... that is my basis for them allowing it to happen.

If NAFTA had not been allowed to pass... we wouldn't have had 50,000 manufacturing companies leave the U.S.

It was a Republican idea that Clinton could have stopped. He chose not to - end of story.

Peace

[ElboRuum]

27. Put a vertical asymptote around 2015. n/t

[SoCalDem]

28. The 10-year span between 1990 & 2000

was when children-of-Boomers mostly entered the job market, and since their own parents were still of working-age and need, there needed to be EXTRA...MANY extra jobs being created, but that was also the time when outsourcing was being mass-marketed...and so it goes..

There were jobs being created, but they were "service economy" jobs for the most part, and those types of jobs do NOT support families...

Where once a "good" job was necessary for ONE breadwinner, that left the bulk of OTHER jobs available to would-be workers. BUT if it takes TWO (or more) breadwinners per family to keep the lights on, and the GOOD jobs are gone, people now needed two or three jobs per perdon to make up for the loss of pay, so job numbers got hopelessly skewed..

It's highly possible that one household could now be accounting for as many as 9 jobs under one roof, and still not making enough money to live comfortably.

[pinqy]

31. The chart is a little misleading

Before Jan, 2011, when collecting information on duration of unemployment, the max allowed answer was "2 years." Anything beyond that was classified as "2 years" (note that that does NOT mean people unemployed longer than 2 years weren't counted, just that they were only counted as being unemployed 2 years). Starting Jan 2011, it was expanded to 5. The only thing this affected was the mean (as shown in the chart). The median remained unaffected.

[KurtNYC]

32. thank you

Used to make a living doing charts. Always have to look for stuff like that. Thanks for the research.