For all those "helpful" people pointing out that Loughner has been linked to liberal sites (like DU)

[TalkingDog]

I've heard a lot of "militia" and "freeper" types touch on these topics. But not so much the people on DU.

I'm just sayin'.

From his YouTube Account:





This Student At Pima Community College: An Unconstitutional Crime!
From: Classitup10 | November 30, 2010 | 23,296 views
Fraud
If I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment then I'm a victim of fraud. I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment. Therefore, I'm a victim of fraud.

All purchases for an educational course in The United States as of now are unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution. A student paying for a Pima Community College course is a purchase for an educational course in the United States as of now. Therefore, a student paying for a Pima Community College course is unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution.

If you're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class then the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. You're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class. Therefore, the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. The grading you purchase from Pima Community College is unconstitutional at tuition.

The United States Department of Education is allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate or the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate. The United States Department of Education isn't allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate. Thus, the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate.

If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. The police remove you from the educational facility for talking. Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. This situation is fraud because the police are unconstitutional!

Every police officer in the United States as of now is unconstitutionally working. Pima Community College police are police in the United States. Therefore, Pima Community College police are unconstitutionally working. The police are unconstitutionally working!

All United States of America's college programs are unconstitutional colleges that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution. Pima Community College is a United States of America's college program. Hence, Pima Community College is an unconstitutional college that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution.

Every Pima Community College class is using free sources for education from the internet. Algebra is a Pima Community College class. Thus, Algebra is a free source for education from the internet. Every Pima Community College class is always a scam!

If you're literate in English grammar then you know English grammar. You don't know English grammar. Thus, you're not literate in English grammar. Most of the teachers and students at Pima Community College are illiterate.

If I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system then I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. Thus, I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. You control the grammar!

Don't be scared to know you can't find the location of a subject: Most students can't locate a subject! Most people know all the subjects are for mind control and brainwash! The students are unconstitutionally paying for free education! The students are attending a torture facility! You know the teachers are con artists?

You now know - every college's unconstitutional crime! You shouldn't pay unconstitutional money for free speech! Don't trust the current government, listener!
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[gateley]

1. What exactly does "linked to" mean in their statements, I wonder. Some here

go to Feeperville to get a look at what they're saying, so would they be "linked" to Free Republic? :shrug:

I'm just curious what these people mean by that.

I agree with your statement by the way, you don't see that crap here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. The meme in some quarters is

that this kid is a hard lefty who went after the Congresswoman since she is not left enough. Mind you, she is a classic Blue Dog, but that is another matter.

Fox started that, CNN quickly followed.

[gateley]

8. Oh, please. I can just imagine in which "quarters" that meme resides.

(But we do the same too often - find a way to blame "them").

Crazeeeee times, crazy times.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Flashback to my years doing research into the militia movement

Lordly thanks, I think.

I tagged him this afternoon as hard right libertarian with streaks of Randian...

[Ellipsis]

12. Yup.

[The Gunslinger]

39. +1

And not too much crazier than the typical ones.

[beyurslf]

3. I think reading that just gave me a headache.

[DCKit]

7. Geez, I skimmed and have a migraine.

I guess the point is, how long would this person have lasted at DU? I'm thinking four posts, max, but only if every one of the mods were drugged (or in the hot-tub).

Sure they can say we hosted this wackadoodle, and they may yank some salty posts to prove their point (until they're disproven), but that's just not us, never has been, and won't be, until the shit really hits the fan... in the real world.

[BR_Parkway]

31. The mods get a hot tub? I should volunteer next time...

[Bragi]

41. Great point. Thanks.. /nt

[LisaL]

14. I am sure it made perfect sense to him.

[Jamastiene]

18. It actually made me long to find an archive of the Lee Mercer, Jr. Campaign site...

to be honest. The Lee Mercer Jr. web site is damn fun fine reading compared to the killer's disjointed ramblings. :silly:

[Z_I_Peevey]

37. And I thought I was the only one to see that

particular similarity.

[kwenu]

5. The only thing that is perfectly clear is that he is deeply disturbed.

[TalkingDog]

16. I agree. If I had only read the text, I would consider that he might have some

personality "issues".

[Lex]

6. What's his obsession with grammar about?

Seems odd. Reads like a whiny community college student: "Every Pima Community College class is always a scam!"

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Grammar and language control is a means of

mind control.

That is actually common fodder with some quarters of the hard right.

[Lex]

20. "Language" I can understand regarding control, but grammar?

I don't get it, but maybe I'm "illiterate."

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. nah your brain and mine don't work the same way

I am not kidding.

A local far righty sometimes goes into the rants... what can I say? When I was doing research on the Far Right grammar is seen as a means of authoritarian control by the government types, who impose that language... not my delusion. But that also explains in my mind all the bad spelling and grammar in signs. It is not just lack of education if you get me drift. That is a very small minority, but it exists out there.

[Odin2005]

28. probably a bastardization of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and Orwell's idea of "Newspeak"

The disproven idea that language structure is a straight-jacket on thought. It is a notion that is still popular in certain circles but has no empirical basis (Benjamin Whorf's data, especially his claims about Hopi, are crap).

[fishbulb703]

42. Depens on if you believe in universal grammar or cognitive development of grammar. nt

[LisaL]

10. Now, when someone here makes a complaint about grammar,

I think we should be concerned.

[TalkingDog]

13. Ha!

Grammar Nazis all.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Not necessarily... some Net Warriors

are Grammarians

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/grammarian.htm

by the way that site is full of good laughs.

[TalkingDog]

11. I think it's more akin to how the structure of language is used to

control the content of discourse.

Most political viewpoints use language in a particular way in order to sway the argument. Think memes, spin, talking points, etc.

While not encompassing the whole of reality, somehow are accepted as reality after enough repetition.

[Jamastiene]

19. Not his own, apparently.

Did you notice how disjointed his ramblings were? That was definitely headache material. I take it that by "mind control," he meant "Just wait until you read my crap and you'll have the worst headache ever."

[nc4bo]

34. Are there a high number of Spanish speaking teachers and students at this college?

I keep getting the feeling that this guy didn't appreciate a multi racial/ethnic society.

[nc4bo]

35. Would love to hear from any DUer who is familiar with this college chime in. nt

[gatorboy]

15. They obviously didn't pay attention to the sheriff's press conference.

He had one group in mind to chastise and it wasn't the left one.

[rug]

21. I knew it! He's a grammar nazi.

[Puregonzo1188]

22. Seriously, I think he was just disturbed.

[Kurovski]

23. He was also very political.

And obviosly chose a political target.

[jmowreader]

24. Lee Mercer's website is more coherent than THAT thing!

[Monk06]

25. Any discussion of this guy's politics is pointless. He is obviously a paranoid schizophrenic

Cognitive impairment, incoherent, paranoid fantasies
relating to mind control, delusions of grandeur, and
obsessive compulsive. He also is prone to constructing
arcane and magical systems to organize his thoughts eg
the "one new number and alphabetical symbol", in order to
control grammar.

Calling this guy left wing is like calling a Pitt Bull a
Trotskyite.

[readmoreoften]

26. +1

[Maru Kitteh]

30. +10¹º

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32. Deleted message

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[radikal dissent]

33. Agreed

There's just too little evidence to suggest this guy had any depth to his political beliefs. We can pick phrases here and there and take them out of context. In the totality of it all, not much of it makes sense.

[Odin2005]

29. the word salad of a paranoid schizophrenic.

[theothersnippywshrub]

36. Bush's grammar, Palin's syntax, Limbaugh's logic and Cheney's penchant for shooting people.

How very Republican.

[FloridaJudy]

38. Makes the Unabomber look like a model of clarity and logic

Obviously the ramblings of an unhinged mind. It doesn't negate the possibility that a lot of violent right-wing rhetoric could have set him off.

If, of course, this is really his YouTube account. There are some seriously sick individuals out there, and putting up some bogus uploads might be something one of them would pull.

[TalkingDog]

40. But would they be able to fake the dates of the uploads? conspiracy much?

There's a reason to use screen shots. It posts all the date available on that day as a record.

You can search youtube for his username and check the dates the videos were posted yourself.

Or you can suggest a convoluted theory that a bit of critical thinking could dismiss within seconds.

[FloridaJudy]

43. Not conspiracy - just natural skepticism

I don't trust anything I read on the Internet unless I know it comes from a reliable source - something like the NYT, WP, AP, etc. Yeah, I know even they have blown it at times, but in general they check their facts before posting on their websites. But anyone can post to YouTube or FaceBook. Even my dog had an account!

There have been numerous instances of people setting up fake identities - or stealing someone else's - on the Internet to bully or scam. Probably that is the shooter's account, but since YouTube doesn't ask one to produce a driver's license, passport, or even a credit card to register, we don't know for sure right now. I expect the FBI grabbed his computer right quick, and even now it's being subject to an intensive forensic analysis.

BTW, I doubt anyone grabbed a screen shot before the shooting. Why would anyone want to, unless it was to gather evidence in a private sanity hearing? And anyone doing so would be ethically compelled NOT to make it public. So all those shots were taken after the suspect took his far more lethal ones. And it's not inconceivable to me that a gifted hacker could figure out how to alter the date and time.

As I said, they probably are the suspects videos. But if I were on a jury I'd need to see some proof before coming to a verdict.