So the Pukes caved and Obama looks like a brilliant strategist, outsmarted all of them:

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Was flipping the Tee Vee, saw boner being interviewed on Faux News, he sounded like he is resigned to the fact that they will raise the debt ceiling, give the President what he wants...etc. Then, there was a panel with both Brit Humes (sp) and the asshole Charles Krouchhammert (sp), the crazy dude, basically both agreed that Obama was able to orchestrate a successful coup over this past weekend...Cropuchhammert blamed it on the media, saying that the President was able to convince the media that he was for real reform, which according to him, none of it was true, then the pukes/boner were the ones who backed out...etc.

I am thinking this is over, the President won the day this time around, and for his reelection campaign, he is on record saying he wanted the BIG DEAL done, the $4 trillion to reduce the deficit, AND he also agreed to cut Medicare, Medicaid, and SS...etc. The pukes are the ones who said no!!!

I am proud of MY President this evening...

[ClarkUSA]

1. Excellent summary. Recommended.

Of course, Obama supporters had faith in President Obama all along... this result is why. :)

[LonePirate]

2. It is never a win when a Democratic president wants to cut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

[JuniperLea]

5. You still don't get it?

He never wanted those things! He prefaced all he ever said on the matter with the fact that he didn't want to touch those things!

Good God... how many tons of bricks need to fall on heads around here?

:crazy:

[LonePirate]

11. He did not bluff. If the Repubs had agreed to the big deal, he would have gotten his M/M/SS cuts.

He wouldn't dare veto the $4T deal if it had passed and we all would have lost then.

[JuniperLea]

14. Would have could have should have...

He plans on, he's going to, he wants to, he intends on...

Sorry, I only relate to the actual, and never the hypothetical.

He never wanted to cut any of those things. He said so numerous times, and again just yesterday. Too bad you are too busy hating the man to pay attention.

Even at that.... HE DIDN'T! So you better go find another thing to be outraged at this president about... find your poiny hat or something and give it a rest.

[LonePirate]

34. You can believe the N-dimension chess theories. I will believe Occam's razor.

I would have preferred a default to the any of the deals proposed so far except for The People's Budget. That is the deficit deal that needs to be passed.

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[alcibiades_mystery]

73. Unless he knew cold that they'd never go for it

Which increasingly appears to be the case, no?

Stop losing because you don't like winning.

[dionysus]

92. ROFL. yeah, hereally wantedto fuck us all over, good thing those brave republicans stopped him!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Fire1]

12. Don't ask. I've been saying that since yesterday. LOL!!!

:crazy:

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[Fire1]

21. Sure thing! LOL!!! n/t

[tallahasseedem]

48. LOVE the pic!

:)

[JuniperLea]

54. It's all about the presentation!

Hahaha!

[malaise]

26. This happens over and over

GObama!!

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[malaise]

47. As Bill Maher said when Bin Laden was killed

and Trump and the birthers were silenced - 'Obama will fuck you up'! :rofl:

[JuniperLea]

49. Literally LOL here!

:rofl:

[spanone]

69. Bwahahahahahaaa

[monmouth]

6. You don't play poker do you? He had no intentions of cutting any of it..n/t

[joeybee12]

89. You're right of course although some people here will never admit it..

They have Obama on record as wanting to cut social security, and whenever a Dem running for Congress wants to paint the Repukes as wanting to dismantle SS. they can throw it right back at them...Obama has pulled the rug out from underneath them...he has guaranteed the Seante goes repuke.

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[Ineeda]

16. You (and I) can soon say...

...'Oh ye of little faith...'. Way, way too much of that going around.

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[polmaven]

60. Ooo, ooo!

Can I help too????? People are going to get fat, though if they keep eating this much crow! Didn't we just do this in January?

[monmouth]

4. Me too....and he got Bin Laden..n/t

[Obamanaut]

13. There was a photo of him watching Bin Laden getting got. He was in an office. nt

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[Obamanaut]

44. Gave the order, and then turned on the teevee, while someone else "got"....

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[Obamanaut]

57. I do not hate anyone. Accuracy is the thing. Authorizing an event and

actually conducting the event are not the same.

In conducting the event one can get hurt, in authorizing it, not so much.

[JuniperLea]

65. Oh equine fecal matter!

My job is to orchestrate things and make them happen! I get all the credit, and the pay! Getting hurt plays no part, and it's a sad grasp at a bent straw.

You're really splitting hairs in a futile effort to be right. Seriously.

[Obamanaut]

66. And you seem reluctant to see that there is a difference between

ordering/authorizing an activity where there may be bullets flying, and actually going amongst the bullets.

There is a difference.

If you don't think so, walk through the wards at Walter Reed. You will find very few senators or representatives lying about (they are the ones who keep up the funding you know), or anyone in a pin-stiped suit who authorized any of it, and continues to do so.

[JuniperLea]

88. In the real world there is no difference...

But you just keep telling yourself that.

Weak tea, I say, that you have to scrape so hard for this smear... which was a deflection from being shown reality on another subject.

And using injured soldiers in your wild ridiculousness is really beyond the pale. Those people do what they are told and don't make the decisions. Everything they do is orchestrated by a higher ranking person.

[Obamanaut]

90. Your last line says it -> here, I'll paste it for you

"Everything they do is orchestrated by a higher ranking person"

The person who 'orchestrated' will then say "I did it" or if really generous "We did it" even though there was no "we" in "we", and there was no danger to the 'orchestrator.'

Meanwhile, the 'orchestrators' are continuing to fund/escalate hostile activities in which men and women continue to be blown to bits.

It isn't a smear. It's the real picture. People who have never been in the military do not hesitate to someone else's children, wives, husbands, parents, cousins to be maimed or killed. And then say stuff like "WE need to stay the course" and there isn't a WE there.

[JuniperLea]

93. You made up the part about 'danger' meaning something...

Those who are put in danger didn't do any of the brain work, without which there would be no action, period.

But you keep digging that hole deeper... keep that spin going... I hope you convince yourself at some point.

[Obamanaut]

95. I understand where you are coming from now,

"...Those who are put in danger didn't do any of the brain work..."

Sacrificial lambs, cannon fodder, disposable people - because they didn't make the plan.

That is really sad.

I was considering the 'ignore' button, but it's more interesting to see how little you think of your fellow man.

In your world, do you see a wounded, dismembered veteran and say "Gee, if he'd been a thinking man, he could have sent someone else. No brain work there!"

[JuniperLea]

96. I was considering ignore as well...

But your gyrations and silly attempts to make me a bad person in this is just too funny... I'm done with this conversation, however, because your insults are getting increasingly nasty and your points are ridiculous. This wasn't a very good diversionary tactic... you should make note. I still remember what you are trying to avoid here.

[AtomicKitten]

7. He outflanked them.

[newspeak]

72. outflanked them?

Rachel was just on, the repugs got over 80% what they wanted. You want to guess what damaging eighty percent they got? They're just sore because they didn't get 100%. We are screwed, but just keep believing we won something.

[alcibiades_mystery]

74. Wrong... they didn't get jack shit

he offered them 80%, and they couldn't get that done. They look like fools, as do many people who criticized the strategy.

[tblue37]

98. The best part is that by the time they caved, the Republicans had been

roundly criticized by big voices on their side, like David Brooks and the Economist, as being insane, unserious, and unfit to govern.

[AtomicKitten]

78. He offered them a 87-13% deal they couldn't refuse, and they did!!

If you can get past being pissed off at the high stakes chips he bet, and I was there with you for about half a day until I started researching this, it was classic rope-a-dope. If the offer on the table sticks with no take-back a la Lieberman, the president walks away with EXACTLY what he wanted, a clean bill raising the debt ceiling.

[AtomicKitten]

82. correction: the offer was 83-17% nt

[Drale]

8. Didn't I tell everyone to calm down

that the President was a extremely smart man and that the Repukes would be the ones who lost?

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[rucky]

9. Lawrence O'Donnell called it.

Yesterday I'd of never believed it.

[RKP5637]

22. I watched part of that last night, yep, Lawrence O'Donnell did call it, had a

level head about it all.

[HipChick]

61. 5D chess...

Watching people bale on the President at the first instance around DU is interesting..

[RKP5637]

68. He's a complex strategist, I'm learning that more and more. n/t

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29. Yes, he did :)

Good on him...

[Marr]

10. "...AND he also agreed to cut Medicare, Medicaid, and SS..."

"The pukes are the ones who said no!!! I am proud of MY President this evening..."

I'm having trouble reconciling those two statements. The President has gone on record as endorsing not only trickle down economics (keeping taxes low so "job creators" will create jobs), but austerity as a means of economic growth.

I don't know why people are responding here as if this whole charade were over, with a fade out on the happy ending.

[Drale]

15. There was never going to be any cuts

The President knew that no matter what he put on the table, the Republicans would reject it so he chose items that the Repukes have been trying to destroy for years and when they reject them, it will show them to truly be insane.

[Tennessee Gal]

23. Exactly right!

He played them for the fools they are.

[Marr]

24. I'm sorry, but this whole theory makes no sense.

So, in order to make the Republicans look dumb, the President legitimizes their demands by offering it to them, infuriating his own supporters and terrifying a bunch of very easily frightened, very registered voters?

And of course, no deal has been made-- though one must eventually be made-- and the morsels on the table now include things like Social Security and Medicare.

It doesn't make sense.

[Drale]

28. This is how politics has been done for 2000 years

the only difference is now because of the M$M you hear everyone's opinion on every single move on the giant chess board and far to many people, including people on DU are easily scared and believe everything they here.

[Marr]

38. Really. I'd love to see some other examples of politicians offering

to cut the legs out from under their own party just to prove the other team is crazy.

This seems like nothing by rationalization and wishful thinking to me.

[Drale]

41. Study Chicago Politics at some point

its not all corruption. This is the way its traditionally done.

[AtomicKitten]

46. It's classic rope-a-dope.

He outflanked him.

[Marr]

50. I'm going to calmly back out of this alternative universe.

If anyone needs me, I'll be back on Earth 1.

[AtomicKitten]

64. Okay but if he manages to raise the debt ceiling without cuts, you owe him a what what.

----> I'll be around to collect. :)

[newspeak]

76. If he manages to raise the debt ceiling without cuts

I will be totally impressed!!!!

[AtomicKitten]

79. It's like he looked at them and said, okay, do you want to do this the hard way or the easy way?

Dealing with these knuckleheads must be exhausting.

[phleshdef]

43. The President knows how to count and he knew there were no votes for that in the Senate.

Cutting Social Security benefits especially, was always a no go in the Senate. The President can count and he knows this.

[LonePirate]

53. Exactly! That logic is too convoluted and ridiculous to believe. That won't stop the Obama fawning.

Some people have ventured too far down the rabbit hole it would seem.

[quaker bill]

71. Then I would love to negotiate with you

apparently you haven't watched many Clint Eastwood movies. It was the "go ahead make my day" moment. Repugs actually had to put up, and cut the tea party wackaloon benefits (have you noticed how old most of them are?) and as a price for doing it, raise taxes on the Koch brothers....

"you think this is important and want to do something? Then let's do it, I dare you"

They were never serious about this and BHO knew it. Making hard choices that affect their voters is just not their thing, and it never has been. 8 years of Bush blowing huge deficits has to tell you something, given you are paying attention. They were all "Rah Rah support our Troops" types, but Bush knew better than to ask them to pay taxes for it or have their kids drafted.

They are and have always been "all hat and no cattle".

They want and even demand all government services, and generally get very irate if you do not deliver fast enough, but they never want to pay.

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31. Brilliant!

[Wait Wut]

19. Okay...

...I wanna go home now and watch Lawrence O. 10 more minutes.

So, what's on the DU agenda for tomorrow? :rofl:

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59. LOL!!!

You're gonna need a bigger platter!!! A buffet would probably be in order!

[former9thward]

20. Are you living in some alternative universe?

No one has "caved" or changed their positions in the negotiations. The debt has not been raised and there is no agreement to do it. Where is the quote that Boner is going to "give him want he wants".. Totally made up shit. Weird.

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[Joe the Revelator]

36. Keep rooting against Obama.

It's fun to watch.

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37. Forgot to put in my original post: WARNING TO ALL PROFESSIONAL HYPERVENTILATORS...etc.

[former9thward]

55. Your post says a deal is done.

I would say that is hyperventilating (I don't need to put it in large caps) by definition since there is no deal whatsoever.

[gkhouston]

40. +1. I'd be very much surprised if this is anywhere near "over". n/t

[Raine]

51. Yeah really

it's just the same old, same old.

[sendero]

25. I will break out the champagne..

... when a good deal is done and not before. Any deal that does not include at least 25% as much in revenue increases as it does cuts is NOT a good deal and I'm not remotely convinced that Obama will get a good deal, that would be a FIRST for him.

Optimism is fine I supposed but I for one am sick and tired of being whipsawed like I have on pretty much every big legislative item for the last 3 years.

[LonePirate]

56. The People's Budget is the only good deal presented so far. That needs to be Obama's position.

No Republican has offered anything that comes close to balancing the budget in ten years.

[gkhouston]

63. +1. n/t

[Taitertots]

42. Hurray, continued spending cuts and no tax increases for rich people...

Oh wait, that doesn't sound very good at all.

[JonTheGreat]

80. This is what no one is talking about. n/t

[unionworks]

45. now is a good time

...for me to say this. When I saw our first black president being sworn in, I wept tears of joy that I could not hold back. My chest swelled with a pride I never thought I'd feel for America again after 8 years of unbridled facism. I will be manning the phone bank come campaign time, as I did in 2008. America walks what it talks, people. Our man in the white house is living proof of that. He isn't perfect. Neither am I. God I miss Keith Olbermann. ;)

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58. I hope everyone is watching Lawrence O'D....nt

[Wait Wut]

62. Just walked in the door...

He's on!

[TNLib]

67. I wonder what the real story is: I bet it goes something like this

The GOP has been shanghaied by a bunch of knuckle dragging imbecile wackos (ie their base) and they have a choke hold on their party leaders.

Any GOP leader that has any sanity at all has no room to maneuver politically. They either buy into the bases, wacko destroy the country economically, and Jesus will come delusional policy, or cave like a wuss and get booted come next election.

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70. TRMS: Rachel confirmed my post, she had the white Republican white flag flying!!!!

Right on her desk...

[alcibiades_mystery]

75. Maddow will have to join Dr. Dean under the bus

:rofl:

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77. How do you mean?

[joshcryer]

81. Read the past week or two.

A lot of posts implying Dean was wrong for backing Obama.

[JCMach1]

83. Both sides got what they wanted going into 2012 except the Teabaggers

who were wanting to wreck the whole economy on the altar of budget reform.

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85. Bingo!

[divvy]

84. so, what if the "pukes" said YES?

He would have taken any deal the republicans tendered. As much as I truly hate to say it, maybe we were "saved" by the republicans this time?

[deacon]

86. There was no way they could. n/t

[VeryConfused]

87. The President also outwitted the PF that came out of this

looking like over reacting fools

[Tom Rinaldo]

91. I believe that the President stands by his words

I believe that he wants that deal to go forward as described. If the Republicans are too tied up in knots to take it, yes the President ends up looking good. But if the Republicans end up realizing that accepting the deal that Obama offered them turns out to be the least problematic option for them to go with out of the choices they now have, I think the President would be fine with that.

I think Obama feels he is in a no lose situation? Can't make that deal? Fine raise the debt limit and move on. Want to accept that deal? Fine. We will get America's economic house in order.

People here are starting to respond as if this was all just one big bluff, Obama was just bluffing about raising the age of Medicare to 67 etc. He never would have done it, or he never would have offered it if there was ANY chance Republicans would have taken that deal. I don't think so. I think that's a deal he would willingly make. I believe Obama said what he believes and believes in what he said.

[Islandlife]

94. Is that really what happened?

We still have to be careful here.

Will the president be willing to raise the debt ceiling alone and be held totally responsible? Are we looking at guts or talent?

[JuniperLea]

97. Raising the debt ceiling = doing the right thing in a dire emergency...

He will look golden. But your concern is duly noted.