Confirmed: The shooter went to my brother's HS. My brother knew him

[Suji to Seoul]

The kid in HS used to pick fights with my brother because my brother is Jewish.

Jared was a Limbaugh listener! Confirmed by my brother.

Jared graduated Marana Mountain View HS in 2007. My brother in 2006.

My brother remembers his anti-Jewish comments and my brother going medi-eval on him.

[Very_Boring_Name]

1. More proof he's a teabagger. Thanks for this!

[pacalo]

15. So, Limbaugh promotes Palin & baggers? Seriously -- I really have no idea; does he?

[WinkyDink]

52. Consider this to be much more profound than it looks: YES.

[The Gunslinger]

57. with fervor

[BanTheGOP]

64. Loughner can help attone for his atrocious act...

...by submitting to an interview with the media and state how Limbaugh, Beck and Sarah Palin influenced his way of thinking and making him act as he did. Then we can FINALLY open up the dupes in the masses how despotic the right wing truly has become, and perhaps take steps to indict, convict, and incarcerate these republican heathens, as well as start the process to decertify and dismantle the republican party.

[JDPriestly]

88. Some of his mentors may be even worse than Limbaugh, Beck and Palin

although assuredly, he probably is a little influenced by them too.

[breadandwine]

73. Limbaugh to Obama: Keep your hands off my tea bag

http://www.libertyscout.com/2010/11/22/limbaugh-to-obama-keep-your-hands-off-my-tea-bag/

[Duer 157099]

Any more info? Drill your brother for more details

Thanks for posting! :thumbsup:

[Edweird]

2. What about that woman that claims to know him? (Called him liberal) BS?

[Cali_Democrat]

4. A liberal that tries to kill a Democratic member of congress?

Of course it's bs.

[Edweird]

11. She claimed to have been in school with him.

That's what I'm curious about. Is she legit or something else?

Of course he's not a Liberal - that goes without saying.

[Schema Thing]

90. a hell of a lot of people don't really know what a liberal is...

...especially a young person from a place like Arizona. so if they've heard the word liberal demonized, and they know the the-weirdo-at-school is politically whacked, they might call him a "liberal" out of ignorance.


just a theory I thought of when I read about this girl's comments.

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[oldhippie]

61. Maybe, just maybe, .....

.... he targeted her because she was Jewish, not a Democrat?

[Recursion]

68. Or he targeted the judge for allowing immigrants to sue ranchers? (nt)

[cherokeeprogressive]

85. You've heard that the Judge was there unannounced, right? n/t

[droidamus2]

72. Did you miss that part of the spin

On one sites threads I saw the following (paraphrasing) 'No he is a liberal and he shot her because she was too conservative'. The right wing must be very dizzy right now because they are spinning so hard. One that really pisses me off is guys like David Gergen saying 'now is no time to point fingers'. Maybe I am just too much of a cynic but when I hear this from conservatives when something goes against them what I hear is 'hey stop talking about ... we haven't figured out what our spin is yet and we don't want you framing the subject before we can put our stamp on it and get our echo chamber ready to spew the message'.

[Edweird]

96. Responded to wrong post.

[qnr]

9. Confusion between Liberalism and Libertarianism perhaps? n/t

[Edweird]

13. Possibly. Or something else entirely.

[qnr]

23. Yes, I've discussed that aspect on other sites (though not here, since it's already

commonplace).

[krabigirl]

79. A libertarian would not be into limbaugh.

[qnr]

81. yeah, but the question was about the 'friend' that called him a liberal. n/t

[WinkyDink]

53. What about her? This is a DU'er's BROTHER who knew him.

[Edweird]

59. See #11

[Edweird]

60. See also

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=149336&mesg_id=149484

[boppers]

82. Liberal... for Arizona.

Keep in mind that Gabby is a "gun packing liberal".

[Edweird]

97. "gun packing" and "liberal" are not mutually exclusive.

[boppers]

100. Depends on the state, and person.

I don't pack, I store.

[Edweird]

106. I work at night (alone) and get sent where the work is.

I'm a lawful CCW holder. I'm pretty much a high profile sitting duck.

[boppers]

108. Oh, a target.

A)Bummer.
B)I hope you're paid well.

[Edweird]

109. Yes, I'm a 'target'. I'm about as conspicuous as one can get.

While not common, violence/robbery/burglary do occur enough to be an issue. My pay, at the moment sucks ass, but that's how it goes. It's either that or not work at all. People are getting laid off left and right.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Thanks for confirming the facts...

It's good to know these.

[valerief]

5. He has to be Rush listener!!!!! nt

[Kievan Rus]

6. I'm not surprised at all that the shooter was a wingnut

Every time something like this happens anymore, I almost always expect the attacker to be a Beck/Limbaugh-loving wingnut.

[OneAngryDemocrat]

7. LINE YOUR BROTHER UP FOR INTERVIEWS!!!

The RW media will spin this any way they can!

Get your brother on Maddow's show!

Get him on Ed Schultz!

Talk him into it, and get on the phone!

[Joe the Revelator]

14. +1

[Suji to Seoul]

21. I live in China now. He's in Vail, Arizona (in the middle of Gabby's district)

We're talking to him, via microphone and webcam, on QQ now. He pulled out his yearbook and showed us, then told us about him.

In a nutshell, Jared was a vehement racist and anti-social bigot. He was a loner and did not like people not speaking English. He was a lousy student and in trouble for instigating fights, then walking away from them.

He targeted my brother in my brother's senior year because my brother is 6'3" and 240 and Jewish. . .he wanted to see if "Jews were wimps like (he) heard."

My brother rearranged his face a few times over it. I remember the suspensions my brother received and how my parents would go to bat for him because of the racism used against my brother.

Basically, put. . .Jared was a wastrel in HS and blamed everyone else for his own problems. He quoted Limbaugh and believed in everything Bush said.

Remember, this is all 4.5 years old. . .by when my brother looked at his yearbook, it all came back to him.

[LisaL]

22. I imagine press would be very interested to talk with someone like

your brother.

[Suji to Seoul]

26. If you don't mind feigned hostility and an "f" bomb every sixth word

he is fun. Funny, but not really educated well. Great mechanic, but lousy thinker.

Also, very private and indifferent. The opposite of me.

[PSzymeczek]

77. Please talk to him

and convince him it's the right thing to do.

[cherokeeprogressive]

86. I think your brother has a DUTY to talk to Law Enforcement personnel and to tell them everything he

knows about this idiot.

I don't see how you could poo-poo this. So what if he swears? Law enforcement can interview him in private and his exact words will not be heard by a soul until the shooter goes to trial.

Justice demands that you talk to your brother and convince him it's his duty to come forward with all he knows.

I don't give a fuck about private and indifferent.

[riverwalker]

83. Jared Lougher was a Limbaugh fan

"He quoted Limbaugh and believed in everything Bush said." FIRST hand account. Repeat this everywhere we can. This has to go viral. Please contact Maddow. Thank you for this!

[cherokeeprogressive]

95. +1

[lumberjack_jeff]

33. +2

[OneAngryDemocrat]

36. +3

.

[cherokeeprogressive]

92. +4

[Turborama]

98. +5

[OHdem10]

8. His concern about the currency is very right wing. Some in

Congress at this very time question the Federal Reserve
System and wish to do away with it.

[Jamastiene]

18. I don't know all of the right wing conspiracy theories, but there is one conspiracy

that they talk about incessantly. They believe the US, Canada, and Mexico will end up with one type of currency (similar to the Euro) that we will all use, instead of our current types of currency (the dollar, pesos, and those Canadian dimes I love to collect).

They don't want that because...well, I'm not sure why they are so afraid of that prospect, but they seem to be pretty pissed about it. The ones I have heard about seem to just obsess over it like it would be the end of the world. I don't know if they are afraid the name will end in a long "o" sound and sound more Mexican than American or what. That's probably it though. I never really thought much deeper into that conspiracy when I first heard it because I valued my sanity and lack of headache too much to try to really understand the way right wingers think. As anti-Mexican as they seem to be most of the time, that's probably the real reason they obsess over the idea of a shared currency type...Occam's Razor and all that.

I need a headache tablet now.

[Odin2005]

30. The "Amero" BS conspiracy theories pop up here from time to time.

[RamboLiberal]

10. Giffords & her aide that were killed are Jewish

H'mmm. I too wish your brother speaks to the media.

[LisaL]

12. You tube attributed to him lists Mein Kampf as one of the favorite

books.

[slay]

16. I noticed that as well

he didn't seem full on hard core teabagger but the impression i got was of someone very angry and confused. his shit about grammar was so gramatically incorrect it leads me to believe he either has a low IQ or more likely some pretty serious mental issues.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

65. But looking at his reading list as a whole

the theme of dystopian societies/literature is the connecting thread. As a fan of the genre, naturally you would be familiar with Marx and Hitler -- leaders who promoted a utopian society. A Libertarian / Ayn Randian reading list to be sure. Loughner probably considered himself a libertarian type. From his youtube vids he revealed subtle racism (his obsession with people speaking correct grammar) and believed there was going to be a new currency ("Amero") and new American Union between Canada and Mexico.

[brewens]

19. Oh great. They've already been brainwashed into somehow believing that

Nazi=Socialist. I'm afraid the Mein Kampf thing won't faze the baggers.

[Lasher]

49. Nazis were members of the National Socialist German Workers' Party

This is cited by right wingers as 'proof' that Nazis were socialists. But in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics. Hitler presented himself as a pacifist, but the German people didn't realize until it was too late that he was the exact opposite.

[Recursion]

69. Well, they had no problem with economic leftism

Though Hitler pretty explicitly said he didn't have an economic ideology and would use whatever economic plan would get him into power.

[zeemike]

70. And the first thing Hitler did when he came to power was

Purge the party of socialist...called the night of the long knives.

[DBoon]

84. Actually the first thing Hitler did was send Social Democrats to the camps

Along with Communists

The Jews weren't sent until later

The concentration camps were set up initially for the socialists

[aquart]

31. But so was the Communist Manifesto.

Both really fun reading.

[beyurslf]

17. Isn't Rep Giffords Jewish?

[LisaL]

20. Arisona's first Jewish congresswoman.

[WinkyDink]

54. z

[shireen]

24. just forwarded the thread to Rachel Maddow's show

[e-mail]

If someone knows KO's email, pls send this to him.

[cherokeeprogressive]

93. I'm actually thinking of forwarding it to the FBI. n/t

[JI7]

25. there are many conspiracy theories that involve belief in Jewish Control of something

and of course the congresswoman he went after is Jewish.

[greytdemocrat]

27. LOL...Some do not.

[Odin2005]

28. K&R

[Duer 157099]

29. Since all of the Press are going to AZ tomorrow

I would imagine that at least some of his schoolmates will be sought out for comments, and if he's as your brother depicts, there should be plenty who were well aware of those biases.

Let's see if the Press manage to find any of them. Seems all they need to do is pick up a yearbook and start Googling.

[Dappleganger]

34. Seems to me he should be speaking with law enforcement before the press.

Wouldn't we like to solve a murder?

[davidpdx]

75. That was my first thought when I saw the thread as well

His brother can provide background information that is relevant to this guy's behavior. Though, given how bad the guy acted, I'm sure there are plenty of people lined up to talk to the authorities.

[blondeatlast]

80. Pshaw. Technicality. we have to be just like the m$m we so love to hate! nt

[Warren DeMontague]

32. They're going to desperately attempt to try to paint him as a left winger

probably blame pot smoking, listening to Rock and Roll, long hair, whatever they can throw at the wall to see if it will stick...

Before this is all over Sarah Palin will be attributing this to prayer being taken out of schools...

I second the urging to get your brother into contact with the media PRONTO.

[devilgrrl]

35. Doesn't Ted Nugent have long hair?

eom

[Lindsey]

37. Regardless of your brother's downfalls. Please, please

encourage him strongly to speak w/the media. Although, I agree w/others on this post who've said there will probably be others who will reflect on what they remember of this murderer. My God - He killed a 9 y.o. little girl. I'm so upset, the only way I'll be able to sleep tonight is by taking a sleeping pill (which I only do in extreme cases and this is off the charts extreme). My heart is so heavy. What have we become?

[Suji to Seoul]

38. I'll do my best, but he is headstrong and very private

I just spent four hours on QQ talking to him. I'll let it die down first. . .maybe his wife can convince him more than I can.

[IamK]

71. If he does not go on media, its just a line of BS...

[RamboLiberal]

41. Recent photos of gunman he has short hair

[Warren DeMontague]

44. Okay, fine, whatever.

You get my point.

[KingOfLostSouls]

39. Have you ever heard of tom metzger?

many right wing 5th column groups of white supremacists are pro pot and legalization, they see it as a states rights or liberty issue.

being pro pot has nothing to do with political affiliation.


sounds more and more like a white supremacist whos into freemen movement teachings and glenn beck.

[Suji to Seoul]

40. Yes, I have heard of that assclown. He was on Hal (forgot his last name)'s bigot Shoutcast network

Worthless scumbag from San Diego. . .another waste of bad sex.

[bengalherder]

42. If he has a yearbook perhaps he can try to find this Caitie person

whose tweets are being quoted without any real evidence. As she is claiming to be a classmate, it would be interesting to see if she appears in a yearbook for the school.

[Suji to Seoul]

43. I will ask him next time I talk to him. It's 2 AM there now.

[Silver Gaia]

45. Excellent point.

I've wondered about this, too -- whether anyone even tried to corroborate her story before quoting her. Today's media isn't always as on top of such things as they once were. She could turn out to be totally bogus -- or the real deal. I'd like to see it verified one way or the other, though.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. For some odd reason I'm picturing Karl Rove in a Catholic Schoolgirl outfit.

Odd.

[Silver Gaia]

47. LOL!

Yeah, that is odd, isn't it? heh

[concreteblue]

50. Just Great...

NOW you've done it! More brain bleach, please!

[pinboy3niner]

51. Naughty boy!

Sister Mary Catherine is gonna give you the ruler for that for sure! :rofl:

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[Faryn Balyncd]

56. Was Loughner listening to Limbaugh on 8/22/05? ( when Rush SALIVATED about "HUNTING DOWN" Cindy ...

...Sheehan and fellow antiwar protesters?



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x145867

[Faryn Balyncd]

58. GET YOUR BROTHER TO TALK TO THE MEDIA.........it's his patriotic duty.

[PSzymeczek]

78. At least get him to talk to

the Pima County Sheriff's office!

[Faryn Balyncd]

91. good idea

[ljm2002]

62. Get your brother on TV for an interview, stat!

Sorry -- I know he may not wish to do so, and that is entirely understandable. But I hope that someone does come forward to counteract the conservative female who is already appearing on TV and claims to have known him in 2007, who says he was a "liberal".

I don't know too many "liberals" who listen to Rush Limbaugh.

[Suji to Seoul]

63. No, unfortunately, he does not want media hounding him, which is understandable.

Find a 2006 Marana Mountain View yearbook. . .both of them are there. the shooter was a junior, my brother was a senior.

[robdogbucky]

66. It shouldn't be too hard now

to interview others besides your brother, that have information about these altercations.

This is good that he and you have opened the door. Now let's follow up with the record of such events. Again, should not be too difficult now that you have opened this floodgate. I hope others in a position to produce irrefutable records of these and no doubt other, events, now come forward to provide the facts. And hopefully your brother can just melt into the background and maintain his anonymity.

Thank you for sharing this though.

Let's have some responsible investigative journalism take place to counter those on the far right already propagandizing this event.

Just look at Kyl's response to the Sheriff's statements.

Civil war anyone?




Hands off my Social Security!
Hands off Latin America!



Just my dos centavos


robdogbucky

[Kingofalldems]

67. K and R

For the teaching freepers who tell us he wasn't political.

[DesertFlower]

74. garbrielle giffords was jewish.

i didn't know until i get an e-mail last night from the NJDC.

[davidpdx]

76. Hey Suji, long time no see

How is life over there in China? It's cold as hell over here in Korea.

[Suji to Seoul]

101. I'm on the same latitude line as Suwon. . .so it's cold here on the North China Plain too

How is it in the ROK? Kim Jong-Yoda still being a douchebag?

[davidpdx]

105. I'm good, just trying to keep up with the news

Cold as hell and it snowed today. Jaba the Butt is still spewing his Anti-American rhetoric.

[Name removed]

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[cherokeeprogressive]

89. Kick. This needs to stay at the top of GD until your brother comes forward with what he knows. n/t

[revolution breeze]

94. We definately need your brother out there

There is so much conflicting info! We need reliable sources.

[cherokeeprogressive]

99. What's he going to do?

[Suji to Seoul]

102. Nothing. He doesn't want his life turned upside and his wife is afraid for his safety

Vail, Arizona is armed Freeperland.

[cherokeeprogressive]

103. Respectfully, I don't care what HE wants.

He's one man. We're talking about the safety and security of an entire nation's elected representatives here, and what might have motivated an assassination attempt on one of them.

Do you believe that the wants and needs of one single person supercedes the wants and needs of society as a whole? If you do, you don't belong here.

Based on your responses to other posters, I'm thinking that your OP was bullshit.

An entire NATION wants to know what the shooter's motivations were. YOU claim to know at least tangentially what he believed, based on who your brother is.

You have a FUCKING MORAL, IF NOT LEGAL duty to divulge any and all information you know, and who you got that information from, whether the person you got that information you got is your brother or someone else.

[Suji to Seoul]

104. I've spent since the shooting getting him to open

He won't. Sorry. . .I do not control a 22 year old adult.

As for my OP being bullshit. . .if that's what you think, I can't do anything about it.

Get a Mountain View High School year book from 2006. You'll see him in the Senior section. Mountain View may have close to 2000 students, but everyone knows everyone else.

[nolabear]

107. Unless he has important information that no one else has I don't see the point.

If it was me, I'd volunteer to the FBI that I knew him and offer to answer questions, but that's all.