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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:23 PM
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Education reformer's "blunt talk freaks out almost everybody.” Illinois teachers were sold out.
Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 01:27 PM by madfloridian
Just like teachers around the country are being sold out to big money.

There is a transcript now of Jonah Edelman's remarks at Aspen. The video was taken down at the Aspen Ideas Festival website, but teachers and others got it right back up again. Then Caroline Grannan at Parents Across America transcribed his words.

Mike Klonsky's blog provided a link to a site called Capital Fax which had the great headline.

Jonah Edelman’s blunt talk freaks out almost everybody

Just some snips:

An education activist’s blunt tale of wooing House Speaker Michael Madigan and outfoxing teachers unions created a stir Tuesday by violating a cardinal rule of Statehouse power plays — what happens under the dome stays under the dome.

..."I’m being quite blunt here. The individual candidates were essentially a vehicle to execute a political objective, which was to tilt toward Madigan. The press never picked up on it. We endorsed nine individuals – and six of them were Democrats, three Republicans – and tilted our money toward Madigan, who was expecting because of Bruce Rauner’s leadership … that all our money was going to go to Republicans. That was really a show of – indication to him that we could be a new partner to take the place of the Illinois Federation of Teachers. That was the point. Luckily, it never got covered that way. That wouldn’t have worked well in Illinois – Madigan is not particularly well liked. And it did work.


More on where Rahm got the idea of a longer school day and how Houston kids went to school so much longer there.

So in the intervening time, Rahm Emanuel was elected mayor … and he strongly supports our proposal. Jim (apparently Crown) … talked about the talking point that we made up and he (Emanuel) repeated about a thousand times, probably, on the campaign trail about the Houston kids going to school four years more than the Chicago kids. That was another shoe that dropped, and it really put a lot of pressure on the unions, particularly on the Chicago Teachers Union because they didn’t support it.

..."After the election we went back to Madigan, and I confirmed – reviewed the proposal that we had already discussed and I confirmed the support. He said he was supportive. The next day he created an Education Reform Commission and his political director called to ask for our suggestions who should be on it. And so in Aurora, Ill., in December, out of nowhere, there were hearings on our proposal. In addition, we hired 11 lobbyists, including four of the absolute best insiders, and seven of the best minority lobbyists – preventing the unions from hiring them. We enlisted a state public affairs firm. We had tens of thousands of supporters. … We raised $3 million for our political action committee. That’s more money than either of the unions have in their political action committees.


Did you catch that? Rahm "talked about the talking point that we made up and he (Emanuel) repeated about a thousand times"

More from Caroline Grannan at Parents Across America.

Jonah Edelman on outfoxing teachers’ unions


Picture courtesy of Parents Across America website. Jonah Edelman, the son of children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman, has raised millions of dollars in funds from the Gates and Walton Foundations, as well as many top business executives, and now pursues policies central to the corporate education agenda, including support of charter school expansion, the evaluation of teachers based on test scores and the elimination of their seniority protections.

Edelman spoke on a panel at the recent Aspen Ideas Festival (June 27-July 3, 2011) about how the organization, aided by the millions of dollars they raised from top Chicago corporate executives, was able to influence Illinois state legislators to get SB7 passed, landmark legislation that severely curtailed teachers’ rights and job security, and that has been hailed by Arne Duncan and other corporate reformers as a model for the nation.

During his remarks, Edelman boasted that his organization and other well-funded allies will be able to replicate this success in states throughout the country. After Aspen Institute posted the video of this session, so many people blogged and tweeted about it that it was taken down, though it is back up here. In case they take it down again, a key excerpt is still posted on Fred Klonsky’s blog.

Edelman has since apologized for what was a remarkably frank account of how power politics worked to their advantage in Illinois, when you have millions of dollars and the mainstream media on your side. The rest of the country should be forewarned.


My comment is that he only apologized because he got caught saying how they were screwing teachers with all their power and money. That's the real sin, getting caught.

And I am with Fred Klonsky when he admonishes the teachers' unions that if you sit at the table with dogs, don't complain about the fleas.

Amen. Illinois gave us the perfect example of how readily unions worked with the reformers to make themselves look good and feel important because they were "cooperating."

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:25 PM
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1. Wow.
Marian Wright Edelman must be worndering where she went wrong. Possibly by not using birth control.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:30 PM
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3. Be sure to watch the video. Link to the pertinent parts.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:29 PM
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2. k & r
These guys are so crooked.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:30 PM
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4. Recommend
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:33 PM
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5. Chicago Sun Times calls him a "braggart".
http://www.suntimes.com/news/education/6481908-418/braggart-angers-teachers-union-after-tough-negotiations-over-reform-bill.html

"Braggart angers teachers' union after tough negotiations over reform bill"

"Unions and legislators who worked on Illinois’ landmark education reform legislation are upset with an advocate who bragged in Aspen last week that he snookered them into accepting drastic cuts in teacher union’s rights.

“There was a palpable sense of concern if not shock on the part of the teachers’ unions of Illinois that Speaker of the House Mike Madigan had changed allegiance and that we had clear political capability to potentially jam this proposal down their throats the same way that pension reform had been jammed down their throats six months earlier,” Jonah Edelman, chair of Oregon-based Stand for Children, said in Colorado last week."
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:15 PM
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6. I'm ill.
k&r
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:44 PM
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33. It's pretty sickening.
:-(
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:23 PM
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7. Wow. That is pretty shocking. I'm surprised that the Edelman family is involved in this kind of low
politics.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:33 PM
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13. Exactly. I used to admire her, but if she's party to this
she would be beneath contempt in my humble opinion.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:28 AM
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24. Perhaps this is his rebellion...but:
in Chicago everybody eventually sells out (or comes out as a sellout).
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 07:19 PM
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15. It is a low kind of politics.
The reformers have done much damage with these tactics. :hi:
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indurancevile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:04 AM
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20. i think more people need to see this video.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:49 PM
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8. Here is the entire transcript of the session at Aspen in pdf format
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:52 PM
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9. k&r
Cooperation is complicity. How many times must we learn this lesson?
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:57 PM
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10. K&R nt
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:05 PM
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11. Edelman's apology: "I'm sorry I got caught."
Just like pretty much every drunk-with-power politician and corporateer.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:05 AM
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28. Exactly right. Even after having the video removed from the Aspen site.
He still got caught, the video is getting even more attention....and yes, he's just sorry he got caught.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:15 PM
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12. This is the way Illinois works
Mike Madigan runs the state. Do you want me to repeat this? Mike Madigan runs the state.

Does anyone think that the way this bill was passed was corrupt? Well, this is the way everything gets done in this state.

The most interesting part is the fact that he bought off the lobbying firms to conflict them out of lobbying this issue. Lobbying firms are important. You pay firm X $50,000 to get law Y passed. They get it done. A week later lawmaker Z says, hey, I'm having a fundraiser. Firm X buys $25,000 worth of tickets.

When you buy a lobbying firm in Illinois you are bribing the legislature legally.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:59 PM
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14. The nerve of saying that Rahm used their "made-up" talking points.
Double shame that is. They made them up and Rahm freely used them. That's pretty pathetic.

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:17 AM
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25. talking points are not policies. they are a way to express them
just sayin'.

everybody has known forever that chicago school years are too short, one of the shortest in the country. daley tried to get them to lengthen the day. even he couldn't get it done.
he is talking about adding 45 minutes to the school day. he has acknowledged from the get go that teachers would need to get paid to do this. but most chicago schools suck. something needs to be done.

rahm is already doing good things here. we like him. that's why we elected him. he doesn't just blubber about problems. he can get things done.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:33 AM
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26. Yes, I know you love Rahm. Glad you do since you've got him. I don't.
I don't like him at all.

Anyone who respects teachers as little as he does, who works so closely with reformers....is suspect to me.

I also did not like the way he and the DCCC insisted that their candidates not discuss Iraq on the campaign trail in 2008.

"Two weeks ago he sent a DCCC-connected candidate training a video of himself haranguing congressional candidates to “move right” on immigration or risk defeat at the hands of Republicans. This is similar to the terrible advice he shoved down candidates’ throats last year, although then he was demanding they move to the right on Iraq, dooming the candidacies of Lois Murphy, Francine Busby, Ken Lucas, Tammy Duckworth, Diane Farrell and several others who went along with his demands."

And

"It's got to be one or the other, because Rahm Emanuel is behind efforts to build Democratic support for the Shuler/Tancredo "enforcement-only" bill currently winding its way through the House. Think about it -- our House leadership is strong-arming Democrats into backing a bill which is the central agenda of the biggest racist xenophobe Tom Tancredo."

Rahm, turn right on immigration and Iraq

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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:06 AM
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29. i don't "love him"
it is not personal. i just think that he was head and shoulders above the other candidates for the office. and that chicago schools need work. now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:52 AM
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31. Well, don't fret. Edelman is there to save the day.
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donquijoterocket Donating Member (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:53 AM
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32. getting things done
Is much more helpful when they're the right things.I don't live in Chicago,but I'm always interested in who's doing what with or in or to our education system.Not sure this is the right approach.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 08:34 PM
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16. No surprises here. This is how 'The System' works. The money flows to those who have
the ability to influence legislation. The media ignore the corruption and lies. The fell deed gets done. We all go "How the Fuck did that happen?!!"

Rinse, repeat ad nauseum.


REC.



Please note that they WENT AFTER THE DEMOCRATS, folks.


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mrmpa Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:13 PM
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17. Edelman is an unadulterated bastard................
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:45 PM
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18. Sounds like the next Sec. or Education in the Obama administration.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:21 PM
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19. Video of the entire session.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 03:07 AM
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21. Please,
DUers:

when you hear someone say 'talking point,' remind them that they mean 'propaganda' and ask them if they truly believe the wealthy elite are looking out for them.

when you hear someone say 'education reform,' remind them that they mean 'privatization' and 'destroying unions.' Ask them to describe the state of public education in the US, and require them to cite defensible resources.

when you hear someone talk about 'bad teachers,' remind them that they cannot lump every teacher in the nation under a single label, good OR bad. Ask them to justify their bigotry, using doctors or nurses or firefighters or other trained professionals as examples instead of teachers. Ask them how it is that we are just now learning that every teacher in every public school has failed at their duties, and must be replaced. Ask them why school administrators have done such an abysmal job hiring and managing their teachers. Again, require them to cite defensible resources.

when you hear someone berate public education, ask them 1) Do you have a child in school right now? and 2) What specifically do you contribute to your child's education? If they don't support their child's school beyond paying their requisite property taxes, ask them how they know ANYTHING about their child's education.

Remind ANYONE who is riding high on the 'bash teachers bandwagon' that they must, definitively, justify their position using defensible resources and critical thinking skills. Anything less smacks of partisan, irresponsible, mendacious tripe.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 06:31 AM
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22. k & r
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 06:37 AM
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23. Here's another good one, mad:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:51 AM
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30. Excellent. Thanks for that link. So many are still in denial.
:hi:
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:46 AM
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27. I think you mis-characterized the narrative. The IFT didn't 'cooperate' so much as bargain badly.
According to your source this started when the IFT pulled 2,000,000 dollars in support from Madigan
and tried to get AFLCIO to do the same. Post election with madigan still in power, IFT was up
shit's creek. No politician is going to do much for a union that failed to support him.

The moral here? Some Democrats ain't interested in working for you if you stay away from the ballot box and screw with their campaign contributions.

I hope union membership holds the leaders accountable for bad bargaining.
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Sportsguy Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:25 PM
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34. That's Disgusting
What's his goddamn problem?
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:26 PM
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35. win win, making money off radical political objectives nt
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