“Obama lit him up. Cantor sat in stunned silence,”

[JNelson6563]

“Then he said we also ought to get in the mode here, because we’re going to have to decide by Friday which way we’re going,” Cantor said. “He said really we ought to all start to think about things we can do rather than things we can’t.”

That’s when Cantor said he would be willing to abandon his own insistence on having just one vote on the debt ceiling if they could agree to a smaller package of cuts in exchange for a shorter-term hike that would require another increase before the 2012 election.


But Obama said he wouldn’t do the debt-limit increase incrementally and that he would veto a short-term bill.

“That’s when he got very agitated,” Cantor told reporters.

“Obama lit him up. Cantor sat in stunned silence,” said an official in the meeting. “It was incredible. If the public saw Obama he would win in a landslide.”



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/58937_Page2.html#ixzz1S55438QV

[no_hypocrisy]

1. IMO, Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell realized how fragile their position was as soon as

Obama announced he was ready to give them their wish: to be a one-term administration, but on his terms, not theirs.

[Volaris]

45. ok now these might seem silly analogies,

but I'm reminded of that scene in the Matrix Reloaded where Neo just walks the FUCK OUT on the Architect, and leaves them twisting with the Smith Program gaining enough power to destroy EVERYTHING....

OR (since I just finished the last Potter book again, in preparation for the last film) the way Harry decides "fuck it, if this asshole is going to probably kill me ANYWAY, it will be done MY way (on my feet); at least that way, I will have the satisfaction of knowing that I went out like a MAN, instead of just another chump VICTIM.

I can only envision that the scene in that room mirrored the cut from Aliens, though, where Ripley just kinda looks around, and then promptly loses her fuckin' mind and unleashes hell to High Heaven on that damned Queen and all the eggs lol....

ok that's all my geek references for the week, I think, and no I am NOT trying to de-rail the thread, I swear heehee

Peace all, and enjoy the popcorn on this one=)

[Scuba]

2. So why doesn't the public see this side of the President?

[janet118]

3. Because if he got angry in public . . .

it would be like Dean's scream - edited, played on a loop, and misrepresented by pundits. Headlines are one thing, film is another.

[JNelson6563]

4. Plus the "angry black man" thing

Gawd knows how our right wing media would blow that out of proportion.

Julie

[flamingdem]

40. True. The reports on that meeting want to paint him as angry

give the media an inch and they'd go ten thousand miles with the angry black man routine

[SusanaMontana41]

43. So what? I couldn't care less what hacks and 'baggers think.

Obama never had them anyway.

[Selatius]

48. It matters to voters.

Bill Maher recently said he understands that 1% always votes for the Republicans, the richest 1%. He also understands that about 50% typically vote for Democrats, but he doesn't understand why the other 49% vote for Republicans or support Republican policies or hold their views.

[aquart]

5. I recall the campaign took great pains

to make sure he couldn't be called an "angry black man."

But I don't see how anyone can spend five minutes with Cantor and not want to strangle him.

[janet118]

9. I believe Cantor wants to bait Obama into violence or cursing . . .

Unfortunately for him, Obama is way cooler than most of us. Personally, I would probably say, "Shut the fuck up, you stupid asshole." Not very presidential, but satisfying. Walking out was a better move.

Talking with Cantor is like replying to a troll.

[108]

16. why is Cantor even in the position he is in

he still has milk in his mouth, and hasn't done one thing for this nations people

[ashling]

38. the position he is in

you mean with his head up his ass?

:shrug:

[JuniperLea]

31. I agree completely...

Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. It's how you talk to kids... hard words in dulcet tones... bandaid and peas.

I would have to preface every statement aimed at Cantor with, "You stupid fuck..."

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

41. If there is one person that could exhaust every ounce of restraint

on another human being. It is this smarmy weaselly douche bag.

[gkhouston]

39. You know, the people who worry about "angry black men"

don't vote for "nice black men", either. Restraint is admirable, but the 24/7/365 Zen thing just makes it look like either everything he says/does is carefully scripted or he simply doesn't give a shit about anything. This is a situation where I think he can and should show some justifiable annoyance.

[H2O Man]

13. President Obama has the

ability to communicate issues to the public without appearing "angry." While I do not agree with a number of the things he has done while serving in office, I admire his ability to communicate ideas. I am hoping that, within the next week, the American public gets the opportunity to see the President in "prime time," presenting his case in the rational, easily understood manner he is so capable of doing.

Barack Obama also has the capacity to inject some emotion into his public presentations -- a bit of humor, and a hint of frustration at his opposition's bull-headedness. I think that we will see both.

[Scuba]

14. Similar to my thoughts. I wouldn't worry as much about the "angry black man" label....

...as I would the "won't stand up to the Republicans" label.

[Erose999]

17. I voted for Samuel L Jackson in "A Time to Kill". What I got was Al Roker doing the weather report.

[DainBramaged]

19. +1,000

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

28. That's funny!

:toast:

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. +1001. n/t

[fascisthunter]

22. H2O, what do you think about all of this?

Do you think he's going to concede in trimming SS, etc or do you think he is using some rope-a-dope maneuvering?

[H2O Man]

29. Good question.

I certainly hope that he will not "trim" Social Security. I think that he would lose a significant amount of support from the democratic base if he does.

[fascisthunter]

30. I'm in Limbo right now...

yes, a bit pessimistic but still holding onto some hope that the present debt issue will force his hand to stand with the folks rather than cut anything due to a fallout with his base.

[aquart]

6. I would have liked to bask in that "stunned silence."

Ann Richards was on Politically Incorrect with ever-interrupting Ann Coulter once. Richards looked at her and said, "Hush!" And Ann Coulter hushed. A moment I shall cherish forever.

[Scuba]

7. Awesome. Ann rocked. n/t

[JNelson6563]

11. Would've loved to see that!

[Brigid]

26. Sweet.

Any video that you know of? :evilgrin:

[LiberalAndProud]

33. I miss Ann Richards so much.

You just made me nostalgic for her in a really emotional way.

"Hush." Just the right word, gentile and effective. What a lady!

[janet118]

47. Loved Ann Richards - a political cowgirl n/t

[originalpckelly]

8. Ah yes, fighting hard to trim Social Security and Medicare.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rdyuJIuL86s/Sf5Sv8GdFyI/AAAAAAAAARU/8CfV5lDmLQo/s400/david_beckham+shaved+head.jpg

^^^Those two programs need as much as a trim as David Beckham up there^^^

[JNelson6563]

10. Whatever. Thanks for the kick!

Tho' you may have better luck stirring up hysteria over the unknown elsewhere.

[fascisthunter]

15. the whole building in which my mother works for Elderly

are hysterical and I can't blame them. They NOW think he is willing to screw them to appease the corporate worms on the right.

[woo me with science]

12. Yeah, way to cheer protecting his "big deal" of spending cuts and "trimmed" benefits.

We are being fed drama and played like a Stradivarius.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1485883

[jtown1123]

32. Yep

[EFerrari]

44. If it happened at all. This sounds like a campaign ad to me. n/t

[ljm2002]

18. Looks like Harry Reid has had enough of Cantor's antics...

...judging by his remarks this morning:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2011/07/14/national/w065949D54.DTL&tsp=1

Reid: Cantor should not be in debt limit talks

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says House Republican Leader Eric Cantor should not be part of the debt limit negotiations. He's calling the Virginia Republican congressman "childish."

Reid says Cantor's conduct during the sensitive White House talks have "shown, in Reid's words, "he shouldn't even be at the table." Reid says other congressional leaders are negotiating in good faith as an Aug. deadline approaches for raising the debt limit.

[Scuba]

21. Atta way Harry! n/t

[JNelson6563]

34. Why am I not surprised?

He even looks like a petulant child.

Julie

[flamingdem]

42. LOL ... childish gnat gets swatted good nt

[deacon]

23. I would have loved to see that. WTG O. n/t

[Kahuna]

24. Eric, apparently did not eat his peas.

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[Brigid]

25. And no video!

Too bad. I would pay money to see it. Wouldn't you? :evilgrin:

[steve2470]

27. You go Obama ! I wish we had video of that ! nt

[JNelson6563]

35. That would be great !

Would love to see Obama slapping Cantor around, even if only verbally. :spank:

Julie

[divvy]

36. I'm sure the meeting was taped. But, will it be leaked?

[watercolors]

37. We need to see him angry & speak out more on TV

[Spike89]

46. Almost the entire GOP catalog is toxic and they know it

The GOP gets points, riles their base, and attracts low-info voters with general talking points. Cut taxes! Well, that is attractive to almost anyone, but when it comes time to match the tax cut to the service cut, all of a sudden voters look more closely. The repugs want to kill medicare and SS, but know that doing so (and getting blamed for it) would destroy their party. The idea that you can keep an extra $500 a year sounds good, until you, your parents, or grandparents freeze or starve to death because their retirement account was raided by corporate malfeasance and SS is gone. The same with medicare--the money saved is nothing when you, your parents, or others die because they can't afford to see a doctor.

It is very akin to the abortion issue--they may truly be anti-abortion, but they know that if they succeed in making abortion illegal again, they'll find themselves far on the wrong side of an issue that most voters would find much more wrong than they poll. In other words, most people are against, or at least uncomfortable with the issue of abortion in theory--but when it becomes a concrete issue and they, their daughters, sisters, wives, etc. are being maimed in back alley "clinics" or forced to carry a child they aren't prepared or interested in, then the polls quickly shift from theory to practical.

The GOP MUST do everything it can to keep cause and effect from being linked in the voter's minds. Ironically, one of the very best strategies for dealing with this is to call their bluff, giving them the opportunity to get what they say they want, but only if they'll put their names on the consequences as well.