look at what the republicans are putting Obama/america thru over something they've done routinely

[spanone]

raising the debt ceiling....

raised it SEVEN times during bu$h* regime without a wimper

it's shameful.

i hate these fuckers.

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1. Yet Obama himself voted against raising it when he was in the senate

kabuki theater if I'd ever seen one.

[WatsonT]

2. I didn't know that

do you remember what the level was he voted against?

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3. I dont know the exact level and unfortunately Im about to take off, here is Obama's statement on it

from 2006:

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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

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In 2007 and 2008 when the issue came up again Obama didn't vote.

[WatsonT]

4. Does seem a bit hypocritical

since our debt at the time was far lower than it is now.

[moondust]

6. Symbolic protest votes

should not to be confused with lockstep political extremism or even with meaningful votes that decide actual outcomes on narrowly decided issues.

I don't know what the vote tally was when Obama voted against raising it but I suspect it wasn't too close.

[WatsonT]

7. You shouldn't vote for anything you're not prepared to defend

If it was a protest vote he needs to do one hell of a good job explaining why he voted that way in 2006 but the opposite in 2011.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. politicians on both sides engage in protest votes

regularly... there is a certain leeway to allow a number of politicos to do that... regularly. That is how DC NORMALLY works,

[WatsonT]

9. So hope and change = everyone does it so why should I be any different?

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. I am explaining to you how DC works

as to hope and change, I am not working for this President in 2012, nor giving money... that's the truth. Hell, even sent back the T-Shirt and mug...

[WatsonT]

14. Then he should be called out on it when he acts like just another politician

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13. I completely agree with you on that.

but most politicians don't run on change. Obama did. Yet it's the same shit, just a different asshole.

[moondust]

11. He would probably say something like:

"I'm President now and as such it is my solemn responsibility to see that the country does not default; I don't get to cast protest votes anymore."

[malaise]

5. Shame is not a word recognized

by ReTHUGS

[gratuitous]

10. The popular media have whispered this once or twice

So later, when the whole charade has been played, the talking chuckleheads can claim that they knew how it was hypocritical political theater all along. Naturally, you won't hear much more than a peep about this until it's all over, because they don't want to spoil the surprise.

Feel free to vomit anytime.