So Jane Hamsher thinks I'm the dumbest Mother Fucker in the world?

[trumad]

"You gotta feel sorry for the guy. His most ardent supporters are the dumbest motherfuckers in the world, and they don’t realize he thinks they are digging his political grave".
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/07/14/about-that-mcconnell-deal/

Well Jane... I've kind of defended you here on DU in the past... but you kind of painted a broad brush with this one.

DU--- have at her...

[SidDithers]

1. K&R...

Fuck Jane Hamsher.

Sid

[TheWraith]

3. Indeed. Anyone surprised that she has total contempt for loyal Democrats isn't paying attention.

She's not in it for a cause, she's in it for herself. Pure and simple.

[CrossChris]

97. This all goes back to Jane accusing Rahm of squelching Fannie & Freddie investigations.

Which he did.

[Palmer Eldritch]

2. Jane Hamsher is a piece of shit. She's never accomplished anything and never will.

[CrossChris]

66. Do you kiss your mama with that mouth? nt

[CrossChris]

85. How many women is it acceptable to call a "piece of shit" here? Feminists?

How do you feel about this language?

[JoeyT]

91. Calling a woman a piece of shit because you dislike something she said isn't misogyny

"Piece of shit" is about as gender neutral an insult as you're going to find. It doesn't use her sex to insult her, and it isn't insulting her because of her sex. Just insulting a woman in and of itself isn't misogyny.

I haven't read what Hamsher said yet, but depending on the context I may agree with her. So this isn't a kneejerk defense of a Hamsher attack.

[CakeGrrl]

93. Someone called me, a DU member, that on this forum and got away with it.

Hamsher? She's doing political dirty work in a public forum. She reaps what she sows.

[Schema Thing]

123. wtf would this have to do with feminism?

stop being a shit.

[Chan790]

129. Are you taking the piss, mon ami(e)?

I fail to see how "piece of shit" is sexist or misogynistic. Likewise, the fact that the person being called a "piece of shit" is a woman is not inherently sexist; in fact, I suspect most feminists would be happy if more slanders against a (generic) person were as egalitarian and gender-neutral as "piece of shit".

[tallahasseedem]

4. K&R

She is a grandstanding idiot.

[MrScorpio]

5. Poor, Jane, you ignorant shit stirrer

We've got some Republicans to beat, with you or without you.

[bluestate10]

118. No true person that cares for this country gives a shit about what

a steaming, liquid turd like Hamsher thinks. Her thoughts are smaller than her brains. What a fucking waste of humanity.

[DevonRex]

6. The real Hamster comes out finally. Nt

[cliffordu]

7. I disagree with her. I think she's the dumbest motherfucker in the world.

I could be a close second, followed by grantcart.

[Tony_FLADEM]

8. All she does is criticize Obama and the Democrats

I've never heard her praise or compliment them.

[brentspeak]

16. She criticizes the corporate Democrats, and praises the real ones

You obviously aren't familiar with her work.

[TheWraith]

30. No, she smears all the Democrats, buddies up with Grover Norquist, and works for Republicans.

We are VERY familiar with her work.

[brentspeak]

39. Who's "we"?

It appears to be just "you" and a few other people on a political website who happen to agree with one another on this topic.

[CrossChris]

98. She buddied up w/ Grover b/c Rahm was protecting Fannie & Freddie while they helped screw us all.

Are we supposed to attack a Democrat EVERY time they work with a Republican? I hope you're held to that.

[trumad]

35. I am very fimiliar with Jane...

followed her early on in her blogging career.....

She went way to far with this one...

[MilesColtrane]

9. I'd throw back an insult at her, but she's not worthy of one.

[Scurrilous]

10. Fuck Jane Hamsher. n/t

[lunatica]

11. I always said to my kid when he was a cocky teenager

that the moment you think you're smarter than everyone else, is the moment you prove you're dumber. Same goes for Jane Hamsher.

[lpbk2713]

12. Damn shame.

She's been doing this so long she's reached a level where she is impressed with her own brilliance.


Damn shame.

[TheWraith]

25. Nah, she's always believed she's better and smarter than "those people." nt

[Whisp]

13. fuck her and the hamster she rode in on

despicable rodent must be related to lanny "the rat' davis

[rucky]

14. I must be a dumb motherfucker, because that makes no sense to me.

:shrug:

[trumad]

15. That's the thing...

I'm an ardent supporter... but I'm not lock and step.

Seriously, she just called me a Dumb Mother Fucker.

[brentspeak]

27. She wrote "his most ardent supporters"

If you are, by your own admission, among Obama's "most ardent supporters", how are you also not lock-and-step?

[mzmolly]

41. Are his most ardent critics also in lock and step?

Or, is "lock and step" reserved for those who understand the complexities of governing? :shrug:

[girl gone mad]

52. If you aren't lock and step, then you aren't one of his "most ardent" supporters..

ergo she isn't talking about you.

[sabrina 1]

90. Exactly ~

That is why I never got too upset over Rahm et al calling those who elected this president 'the professional left' and their ideas 'retarded'. I assumed he wasn't talking about us. Not to mention that if he was, the feeling was mutual.

[Raine]

125. Agreed nt

[MineralMan]

17. Jane, you ignorant ....

It appears that her primary goal is the same as McConnell's - to undermine President Obama, no matter what.

And, yet, she's the darling of some. :shrug:

[struggle4progress]

19. +

:rofl:

[DevonRex]

26. Yep.

Always has been. She's no liberal.

[graywarrior]

94. First line that came to mind for me, too.

:rofl:

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[young but wise]

20. Fuck Her.

[struggle4progress]

21. She's Norquist's buddy. Why should I care what she thinks?

[CrossChris]

22. This site promotes FDL better than they themselves. I always disagree w/ Jane bashers.

Every time they start one of these threads, I run over to FDL to see what they're talking about. Mostly, I really like what I see there.

[TheWraith]

29. Do you agree then that Obama supporters are "the dumbest motherfuckers in the world?" nt

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[fascisthunter]

67. thanks

[TheWraith]

79. I simply asked you whether you support her statement or not.

Why are you taking that personally and attempting to insult me if you don't recognize that her statement is wrong and shameful?

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[NorthCarolina]

119. She's referring to corporate third-way conserva-Dems in lock-step with anything Obama.

In that I must agree with her. The Democratic party does not need to be that big of a tent, especially when the DLC New Dems manage to control everything from their minority perch with the help of their corporate benefactors.

[muffin1]

122. The ones who accept right-wing policies from Obama?

Yes.

[trumad]

31. So you agree that I and a majority of DU'er are Dumb Mother Fuckers?

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[krabigirl]

113. did he say that?

[MineralMan]

32. Hmm...then...

The solution for you appears to be obvious.

[Lisa D]

70. So you're one of FDL's ardent supporters?

You know what Jane says about ardent supporters.

[krabigirl]

112. same here. I wouldn't call anyone a "mfer" but I don't like Obama's policies..at all.

Sorry if I don't like war.

[B Calm]

23. Who in the hell is Jane Hamsher ?

Answer: A big NOBODY

[MineralMan]

28. She is a self-appointed, one-person spokesperson for herself.

Beyond that, who the hell knows who she is?

[CrossChris]

78. Until now. nt

[MineralMan]

24. I truly wish Skinner would make FDL a site that could not be

quoted here. It's been clear for a long, long time that Jane Hamsher wants nothing more than the defeat of President Obama. That is what she has always wanted, and her attacks began before he was even elected. She is no friend of Democrats in general. I doubt that she is any sort of progressive. She is yet another obstructionist.

[joeybee12]

37. Let's go ban the WSJ also, and CNBC...

As long as we're in a censoring mood.

[mzmolly]

44. I think the WSJ and CNBC are mixed when it comes to

President Obama's record. Hamshire has more criticism for Obama than she does for Republicans.

[MineralMan]

54. Neither of those sources are engaged in an unremitting

constant attack on President Obama. Both are also news sources. FDL is a source of nothing but vituperation against the Democratic President of The United States.

Thanks for your reply.

[mzmolly]

42. Agreed. She's working against the Democratic

Party, period. She has NOTHING but criticism for the President.

[brentspeak]

59. She criticizes Obama for valid reasons, and is therefore trying to help the Democratic party

She's http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/if-democrats-want-to-insp_b_735038.html">pointed out many times that Obama's capitulations to the GOP and various other blunders are actually working against the Democratic party as a whole. If, for example, Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are weakened by a Democratic president, they'll be a lot of rank-and-file Democratic voters who will abandon the Democratic party.

So who's really looking out for the Democratic party: the blogger who urges the President to not weaken the party and its traditional policies...or the Democratic president who's toying around with rank-and-file Democratic voters by adopting moderate Republican policies and stances?

[mzmolly]

81. She makes up reasons to dislike Obama and never corrects herself for being wrong.

Calling Obama names isn't "pointing out" anything. The article you link (which was written in September) implies that Obama intends to privatize SS. He has no such intention. Yet, she stirs people up so much that every time Obama says "social security" her ill-informed, reactionary "Hamshirebot" following is whipped into a frenzy.

I suspect I know why Jane is so testy.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-firebaggers-86-million

"Remember those far left progressives who threatened to withhold donations to President Obama’s reelection campaign? After raising $86 million, the President and his supporters have proven their irrelevance."

[TheWraith]

82. She has NO such valid reasons. She has been smearing Obama since 2007.

And most of "Obama's capitulations" have been imaginary bullshit she dreamed up for the purpose of trying to smear him.

[brentspeak]

92. Signing legislation that requires Americans to purchase costly health insurance

with no meaningful cost controls is an extremely valid reason for criticism. Forming a commission chock-full of people who have been well-known for their openness to watering down Social Security is another valid reason.

Nothing "imaginary" or libelous there.

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[Lisa D]

72. Well said, Mineral Man n/t

[polmaven]

33. Wow! I had no idea that

Sarah and Todd Palin, Michele and Marcus Bachmann, Eric Cantor, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, et al, were President Obama's most ardent supporters! How about that? And, Jane, I must say you hide your own "most ardent supporter status very, very well!

[Aerows]

34. I'm not sure how this helps anyone

It strikes me as criticism for criticisms sake on Hamsher's part. I like her analysis some of the time, but this is going way too far IMHO. It rather makes me look upon her commentary in a new light, and not a favorable one.

[trumad]

40. Yeah---that's what is weird.

This was out there....

[Aerows]

48. It's not like the right is going to suddenly read FDL, either

wtf is the best I can say.

[TheWraith]

50. It's not intended to help. Hamsher hates Obama, and has since long before he was elected.

She's pretty much been on a crusade to trash him since 2007.

[Aerows]

57. Sure looks that way from the perspective of this piece

Like I said, WTF is the nicest thing I can say in response to it.

[MineralMan]

58. Jane Hamsher is interested only in helping herself.

Once you understand that, you understand everything about Jane Hamsher.

[locahungaria]

63. Thank you.....

I wouldn't have put it quite as kindly as you did, but it's still accurate none the less.

[Swede]

124. Exactly

[ProSense]

36. Here's the irony

<...>

The irony is that the Obamabots are so out of touch with who Obama is and what he wants they don’t realize that by cheering for the McConnell deal, and his prowess in making McConnell “blink,” it amounts to twisting the knife for him. It makes it impossible for him to reject the deal the end — which empowers the GOP to hold out.

<...>

Speaking of "dumbest motherfuckers in the world," Hamsher conflates the claim that McConnell blinked with supporting McConnell's deal.

:rofl:

[Major Hogwash]

96. The irony is . . Jane is a nobody.

She's less than zero.
She isn't even in Charlie Sheen's "winning!" league.

Charlie can sober up and be his witty self one day.

There is no way to fix stupid.
Not the way Jane has displayed.

[Ganja Ninja]

38. Well Jane is right about one thing.

Obama shouldn't take McConnell's deal. It only drags out the debate and adds to the deficit. If Obama doesn't get the GOP to increase taxes on the rich and corporations then he should let the shit hit the fan. He's getting no respect and he needs to teach them a lesson. This is what his critics around here have been urging. Fight back and fight hard and don't worry about 2012. That's all we want to see.

[ProSense]

47. No, she's not

even right about that because the President has made no indication that he is will to punt on this. In fact, the only thing about McConnell's deal that's worth considering is the fact that he finally admitted the debt ceiling should be raised.

To quote Pelosi:

“What Leader McConnell has put on the table recognizes that we must pass” a debt increase, Pelosi said. “So it has that merit in that it says what are we talking about here: We have to pass this. And let’s talk about the others things that are going on.”

Hamsher is simply making up shit to attack the President and anyone who supports him.

[mzmolly]

51. Her suggestion that anyone applauds that so called deal is absurd

I don't know of any applause. McConnel's "blink" celebration is more about how McConnel's forced gesture, is viewed by right wing zealots. Jane is out of touch with the "base" she claims to speak for.

[JoePhilly]

76. Who?

I get the sense that Jane's clock is ticking down towards zero.

And as it does so, she has to ratchet up this kind of nonsense.

[hfojvt]

43. well, when she;s right, she's right

:P

I must be even dumber though, because I totally cannot get this part "he thinks they are digging his political grave".

Maybe if I read the rest of the article, but clicking on a link is soooo much work. Plus, I already have three open internet windows.

[MineralMan]

87. Since she benefits the right, I suppose she is right.

I've seen nothing she has written or done that actually advanced the cause of progressivism. I have seen many things that she has written or done that advanced the causes of the right.

Think about it.

[FormerDittoHead]

45. Jane has just blown her credibility with me.

Her association with Grover Norquist (whose guts I hate) was passable to me, because I sometimes agree with *some* Republicans myself (legalizing pot, getting out of the wars, for example).

As a CITIZEN, I have no problem with holding Obama's feet to the fire.

But this piece is unforgivable. It's just a "I HATE YOU!, I HATE YOU ALL!" piece.

I still like FDL in general (HuffPo has some conservatives, but I still read it) but Jane has shown her colors, and they're not "based in principle" rather, an obvious searing hatred toward Obama.

She can pick that lane if she wants to, but I don't think she's going to find a lot of support from the left anymore.

I actually considered becoming a member of FDL. No longer.

[trumad]

49. It's actually immature as hell...

I'm surprised she did it... Bad business decision on her part.

[Inuca]

46. Disgusting

I stopped caring about what she says or thinks during the health care debate, but still, shame on her.

[meow mix]

55. lets see a policy come forth, need more than rumors of a "snarky" meeting

then maybe ill disagree with her

[NNN0LHI]

56. I know this is a come to Jesus moment for some here

I had one with Bartcop right after 9/11. I had always been a faithful reader of his blog and am thankful to him for allowing me to find DU with a link on his page.

But immediately after 9/11 he went nuts and began suggesting that Bush should "glass", Afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11.

He was suggesting killing every man, woman and child in Afghanistan. Most of these people had never heard of the Twin Towers. Or even New York for that matter.

I never went back to his site after that.

Don

[trumad]

60. His obsession with Shirley Mason was kind of weird...LOL

He actually was banned from DU.

Yeah--- he could have been big because he was almost the first liberal blogger on the nets.

[ieoeja]

95. That was hyperbole. He was venting.

He did not want to really nuke anyone.

He lost me in 2004. We had a few email exchanges in which I pointed out that every single day for an entire two week period, he made far more negative comments about Kerry than Idiot, about Democrats than Republicans. I actually went through the effort of counting those comments for a two week period to make sure I wasn't just focusing on what I did not like to see (we all do that sometimes).

I actually agreed with most of his negative comments. But a lot of them were also rightwing talking points. Living in a rightwing bubble like Oklahoma where all news is brought to you with a rightist spin has to skew a person's view.

[demgrrrll]

61. Is she the same person who put Lieberman in blackface

or am I thinking about someone else. I stopped reading that site years ago. She wants attention and apparently is willing to go to great lengths to get attention. This apparently ought to do it.........

[tammywammy]

126. Yes, she did

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/joe_lieberman_blackfaced_jane_hamscher_redfaced/

[Missy Vixen]

62. Just ask her out already

Truly. With the amount of handwringing over whatever it is that Jane Hamsher's said on a daily basis, some here seem to be more than a bit obsessed.

[fascisthunter]

73. "Mom... somebody called me a bleep"

amusing

[Lisa D]

74. So you wouldn't be offended

if someone pubically called you, as say a Kucinich or John Edwards supporter, one of the "dumbest motherfuckers in the world?"

People are just pointing out that Hamsher has no class. How does that qualify as handwringing?

[EFerrari]

75. And these are some of the very same people who defended Rahm up one side

and down the other every time he had an attack of oral diarrhea and attacked liberals.

[bluestate10]

120. Grover likely already has. Two turds in a sack of shit. nt

[fascisthunter]

68. lol

ouch

[dionysus]

69. fuck her dumb ass and all the firebaggers.

[krabigirl]

111. lol. seriously, this reminds me of a junior high classroom. both sides really.

seriously, lol.

[donheld]

71. Maybe some of us are dumb.

Some of us repeatedly follow her incessantly, maybe for that we are dumb.

[wndycty]

77. K&R

:kick:

[ellie]

80. Fuck her

I mean really. She needs to shut the fuck up and sit down.

[madinmaryland]

83. She sounds like a jealous douchebag to me.

[MineralMan]

86. A douchebag is a useful item in some circumstances, though.

I have found no use for a Hamsher.

[Scurrilous]

88. ROFL

:thumbsup:

[BzaDem]

84. Sometimes, when someone is saying that it is everyone else that is dumb, it is actually they

that are dumb. When someone is in total denial, like Hamsher, they are usually the ones that are dumb (as opposed to everyone else).

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[CrossChris]

99. [phone]! nt

[mzmolly]

103. Did you take offense

to that?

[treestar]

100. What does she mean by the last clause?

That Obama thinks his supporters are harming him? Doesn't make sense.

[TwilightGardener]

101. She doesn't have to make sense. She just has to spew hatred for the President, and everything

he does, and her nutty fauxgressive fan base will cheer.

[Bobbie Jo]

116. Like tossing red meat to a pack of hungry wolves.

Apparently there's a market for that. She plays the part well, I'll give her that.

No wonder RW'ers fund her, that's just good business decision.

[JuniperLea]

102. I think she graduated the Eric Cantor school of potty training...

[dameocrat67]

104. It is not smart to cheer the president

while he promotes right wing policies. It just isnt.

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[Major Hogwash]

106. Eat your peas, Jane.

And have some cauliflower while you're at it!!!
And broccoli!!
And brussels sprouts!!!

[dameocrat67]

115. you mean accept social security and medicaid cuts

never and neither will Jane.

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[Forkboy]

108. I wouldn't go THAT far.

:evilgrin:

[Bobbie Jo]

109. Can't stand her.

Never could.

Klassy with a K. :eyes: This is why she'll always be a minor leaguer.

[krabigirl]

110. well, I would prefer the term masochist, but I guess she chooses a different one.

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