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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:24 PM
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David gergen is scared..
the country will go into default so his plan is: The president and Democrats give up on taxes on the rich and Democrats should cut more in entitlements so that republiCONS can save face. CNN just now.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:25 PM
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1. Plan- Republicans just pass the fucking bill to raise the fucking debt ceiling.
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plumbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:27 PM
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5. Second that. If they don't, well, it will be on them.
No way around it. Raising the limit has been done many times, including 10 in the last 10 years, so that's not a change. NOT passing it is the change, and those Republicans will be the change agents.

I could give a rat's ass if Gergen is horizontal or vertical.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:25 PM
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2. I saw his editorial on CNN's webpage
with the same crap. :puke:
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:22 PM
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33. Here is the link to his article on cnn..
http://us.cnn.com/OPINION/gergen.commentaries/archive/


With tempers near a boiling point and the risk growing that the United States could default on its debt obligations, it is time for a truce in the budget talks in Washington -- essentially a cease-fire in place.

The outlines of a cease-fire are readily apparent, and indeed there are signs that behind the scenes some conversations are already taking place. Here's what a truce might look like:

• Democrats agree to accept some $1.5 trillion in spending cuts that have been on the table but give up their demands that a deal also include significant tax increases.

• Republicans agree to lift the debt limit by some $2.5 trillion, enough to carry past the 2012 elections, but give up their demands that spending cuts must match or exceed the debt-limit increase dollar for dollar.

• Both sides agree to close tax loopholes and raise fees for government services, but agree to use the resulting revenue for offsetting payroll tax decreases and other means of pumping life in the economy, thus making the proposition revenue-neutral.

Republican Party
Democratic Party
Barack Obama

• Both sides agree that this fall, a new set of negotiators be appointed to press forward with additional ways to
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:27 PM
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3. David Gergen is scared his taxes will be raised. nt
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:27 PM
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4. He's got money, but his combover is hopeless.
Yeah, give up again. Typical.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:30 PM
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6. I think there is another reason why and others might be scared.
Greece is going to default even with the bailouts. What's happening over there is not getting much coverage here, but the Banks are refusing to chip in to try to avert yet another disaster, attempting once again, to force the people to take on much of the burden. Even former hard-liners are beginning to realize they can't keep doing this, the people are already in revolt.

If that happens it is predicted that the fall-out here will be pretty significant. So it's not just what's going on here that they are all worried about.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:31 PM
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7. This guy is an effin wuss. Why does anybody hire him to appear on TV anymore?
He's a relic. He hasn't had a new idea in 40 years. He can't think his way out of a country club bag. He's just plain old and outdated and hasn't had a new idea in 30 years!

Time for the old folks home...CNN should save their money and get somebody with more updated plans. This guy is an embarrassment!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:48 PM
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9. He has been on CNN..
anytime I switch to this channel blaming the Democrats and insinuating that the President needs to give more and back down,he says both sides are acting like children.

He seems to think he is the adult. Now he wants some other group like the gang of six to oversee the talks,now who would be deciding on who is in the group. Let me guess...Gergen the voice of reason:sarcasm:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:32 PM
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8. Just fuck this guy....
He's supposedly a neutral commentator.

But all he does is represent his class.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:02 PM
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12. hate that lieing mudderfucker
so much hate, so little time....
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:57 PM
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10. I can't stand Gergen
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:08 PM
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21. +1
Now there is another panel with Carville gloria borger,jessica yellen,and carly ferrino who lies her ass off and always puts the blame on the President..

They're all talking about McConnell's plan and every other republiCON plan
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 07:59 PM
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11. When you don't know what else to say, keep reading your last communique, I guess.
:rofl:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:06 PM
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13. It's just so simple -- we need to pay X amount out, we are only
taking X amount in (not enough, kind of like a lot of us!). Well, if I could get my boss to pay me what I'm worth, I'd be fine and able to pay all my bills. So why can't the government ask the corporations to pay what they're worth? :shrug:
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:13 PM
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14. It's a phony threat. Has been all along.
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 08:13 PM by Marr
Does anyone doubt that big business owns these creeps? They have proven over and over again that they're little more than corporate lobbyists with prestigious job titles. There is zero chance that they will buck Wall Street and crash the economy, just to make a political point. Zero.

Anyone pretending otherwise and suggesting (or making) concessions to this transparently phony threat is in on the con.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:34 PM
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15. Granted, they have been given their marching orders
"times up, raise the Debt Ceiling" but there are ignorant teabaggers in office. People any other time in history would never been considered qualified to be in office. They are the rogue factor. GOP has totally lost control of their party. They can't hold this together. I am worried.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:42 PM
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17. There aren't enough Teabaggers to block it.
Certainly not enough sincere Teabagging nutjobs, anyway. The biggest group in Congress is the Corporate Lapdog Party. It's comprised of both Democrats and Republicans, and greatly outnumbers the Teabaggers.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 10:35 PM
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24. But Boner would no longer be Speaker
If Boner pushes through a comprimise with the Dems and sane Rethuglicans, Cantor and the Teabaggers will revolt and replace Boner.

And that is why no deal will be reached. That is how the batshit crazy Teabaggers will strangle the government.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:35 PM
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16. Exactly.....
.... and everyone with a 2+ digit IQ knows it.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 10:40 PM
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27. +2
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 10:41 PM by Cali_Democrat
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 08:43 PM
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18. Ah more of the Republican "compromise"
Otherwise known as "Do it our way." That's the way it was under W and, even though they only hold one third of the government, Gergen thinks that that STILL the only compromise possible.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:01 PM
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19. Cocktail Party Gergen is paid well to do his (right wing propaganda) job.
He is scared because he is on the losing side.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 09:01 PM
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20. They do this only because they know the Left will not do one thing
Last night L. ODonnell reminded us how Clinton repealed
one part of the LBJ war on Poverty and there was not a peep.
Welfare was essentially ended.

They know the Democrats will roll over. Look at Reid
right now trying to add cuts to McConnells Plan.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 10:17 PM
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22. Gergen tries to portray himself..
as the voice of reason as he repeatedly uses rightwing talking points and acts like he is being bipartisan,because he was in the Clinton administration.

For months he continually complained about how Obama needed some republiCONS in his cabinet,and how he was open enough. Gergen is full of shit.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 10:18 PM
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23. what does gergen think about the frontrunner for his party's nomination?
support her?
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 10:55 PM
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28. He thinks she is ..
not a serious person but,on the other hand the President and the Democrats are acting childish and he says they need some grownups in the room..
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 10:38 PM
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25. Poor David Gergen.
If the rich don't have extra money, they'll never get around to giving him his slice.

Big as can be, or small as it seems in Gergen's case, it's never quite enough to make up for losing one's integrity.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 10:39 PM
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26. He should be, all the messaging he tries
don't work... Republicans still get the blame!
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:20 AM
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39. Every host I have seen him on with..
has let him ramble on and on with all of his talking points and he thanks them so very much over and over...
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louslobbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:03 PM
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29. Yeah ok, we'll just give in to the Republican terrorism to stop them from nuking the country ah, no
this country does not negotiate with terrorists foreign or domestic. Sorry Gergen, the debt ceiling has never been a problem in this country until the President was black. Most people in this country had no idea of what the debt ceiling was since it was common place to just deal with in a clean bill with nothing attached to it. Now, Republicans want to hold the country hostage by attaching things to the debt ceiling bill to get what they want or else they will let the country fall into default and cause potential economic chaos. So in order to stop them from dropping the bomb, we give in to their demands? That is not how a Democracy works, that's how Republican terrorism and rule work. Why Mr. Gergen don't the Republicans give up on their tax cuts for the wealthy, close tax loopholes for corporations and force regulation on wall street and bankster crooks? Why should Democrats give in to the Terrorist Republicans? Republicons did the same type of thing with unemployment extensions in order to force through 2 more years of tax cut bonuses for the rich why do Democrats always have to give in. Sorry Gergen, you're old and our of touch and so are most people in our government who sit in the positions of power today. Not only are they old and out of touch, most are incapable of telling the truth or doing what is in the best interest of the country. I say Fuck you Mr. Gergen and Fuck the Republican terrorists and their corporate terrorist friends.
Lou
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:08 PM
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30. Yeah he's pretty useless as a commentator and analyst.
Why give in when we're winning?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:11 PM
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31. He's stuttering more these days, too.
But, but, but, he didn't really mean that when he said that.
No, no, no, I mean the President.
I, I, I don't think he did.

*yawn*
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:21 PM
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32. He used to be good when he was on the NewsHour. n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 11:26 PM
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34. I think he's a Republican. I used to not be able to tell. But this last year...
some of the things he's said has shown his bias, and I thought to myself, "Well, he's a Republican for sure. Who else would think, much less say, that?"

I used to think he was a fair, reasonable person. I don't, anymore.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:26 AM
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35. He tries to pretend as though ..
he is the voice of reason.I have been watching him and others since Obama took office and how he thinks he is fooling us with his play on words.

He tries to pretend as though he is bipartisan because he worked with Clinton and he goes around the country speaking to students with his damn lies,he gets angry and tries to pretend he isn't when he gets called on his lies.

He always tries to portray the President as being the bad guy and tells the public that he isn't giving in enough and is not working together with the republiCONS. I sometimes wonder where do these people think we have been when we have watched the President reach to far to the right to be bipartisan since day one..
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:56 AM
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36. He went all beady-eyed when the host said "but isn't that just kicking the can down the road".
The look on his face was like that of a 6-yr-old who'd just peed his pants.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 02:57 AM
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37. Gergen forgot to tap his heels together three times.
No soup for him.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 05:50 AM
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38. What an asshole.... n/t
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:22 AM
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40. David Gergen
is now, and always has been an ASS.
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