Wow, MSNBC is having pushback

[nadinbrzezinski]

To the bullshit of lower taxes lead to job creation... Bout bloody time I say.

[shraby]

1. Nothing makes truth come out as fast as a good investigation

into one of the major news companies. Expect to see more of it because they don't want to have their feet held to the fire as well.

[Horse with no Name]

14. Especially if they start digging around into the conflicts of interests

that MSNBC has...the defense industry, the energy industry...stories that could and couldn't be covered.

Goebbels would have been proud of what has been allowed to happen to the media in the US.

[Lucky Luciano]

27. MSNBC still part of GE? Not Comcast? nt

[JitterbugPerfume]

2. the truth finally gets some air time

~~~bout time too

[JDPriestly]

3. Good, because lower taxes may lead to job creation in China

and India, but they don't lead to job creation here.

In the US, they just lead to get-rich quick Ponzi schemes as desperately wealthy people search in vain for some way to make money on their money in a country in which demand for American-made products has vanished.

In the end, to restart the economy, the Fed prints dollars, dollars, dollars, which vanish as soon as they are printed because the "investors" can't wait to ship them to some God-forsaken cheap labor market in the world.

[Zen Democrat]

4. When will they come to understand the basics of a free market economy?

It's all about demand. Demand is what grows the economy ... and a middle and working class of people having money to buy furniture, cars, refrigerators, and more on the necessities of life, as well as being able to take a vacation and eat dinner at a restaurant once a week -- THAT grows the economy.

The companies sitting on all the wealth of the nation aren't going to hire people because they have more money thrown at them. They will hire people when their goods and services are selling more. Their goods and services will sell more when the middle class is strengthened to the point consumers can once again afford to consume.

The best thing the business community could do to spur the economy, in my opinion, is give every worker at least a 10% across the board annual increase. That would be the best stimulus in the world, and demand would undoubtedly increase for the goods and services on the shelves. And more people will be hired to meet the new and increasing demand for goods and services.

Economics 101.

[Divernan]

10. Henry Ford knew he had to pay his workers enough so they could afford to buy a Ford!

[Gold Metal Flake]

20. But not too much or Henry would call the goons.

[Tennessee Gal]

19. Good post! nt

[socialist_n_TN]

22. Yep. Even a commie like me knows

that in a market economy, DEMAND is what drives it. And demand requires money in the hands of the masses of the people.

Another correllary to that. If DEMAND is there, it doesn't MATTER the tax status of the capitalist OR the regulatory status of his business. If there's DEMAND the capitalist will FILL that demand, no matter what.

[OnionPatch]

25. That's what I've been trying to tell people.

If there is a demand, someone will fill it as long as there is profit to be made. If one entrepreneur doesn't like the tax rate, there will be another come along who is fine with it. I'd rather do business with the one who is satisfied with just making a good living and providing a quality service than the one who feels the only reason for being in business is to make a fortune. The cons act like everyone with the wit and ability to start a business will just disappear if we don't pander to them with low tax rates. :eyes:

[socialist_n_TN]

26. That DOES need to be the focus on this issue

In a capitalist market economy, SOMEBODY will fill the demand, no matter what.

[MineralMan]

5. Too bad nobody's watching, eh?

Just sayin...

[fredamae]

8. Gotta point..I USED to have them on...

If they can't do the right thing and have credible unbiased journalism on their own, I am not encouraged to believe pressure will actually work.
MSNBC long ago began to not just Drink but "snort the pub koolaid"..imho

[JohnnyRingo]

6. How much common sense does it take?

If a company head says he's going to slow production by furloughing workers because taxes are too high, the company was doomed to incompetency to begin with. I can't imagine any business that isn't owned by the likes of Joe The Plumber telling customers to go elsewhere because high profits lead to higher taxes and they're cutting back. The Republican premise that taxes cause unemployment throws the entire book on supply & demand out the window.

Bill O'Reilly, in legitimizing tax cuts said that if his taxes increase he'll definitely lay off people at "The Factor". It's amusing to think there's so much deadwood at his show that isn't integral to production. Maybe he'd have to axe the guy who adds sugar to his coffee and tell the worker who stirs it to do double duty.

[LondonReign2]

17. O'Reilly doesn't make any sense

Yes, I know, that's aking to stating that the sun is hot, but...

Billo is saying that, if taxes are raised back up to the Clinton rates, and his take home pay goes from $10,000,000 to $9,700,000 as a result, he'll start laying people off? BWHAHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah, I can see the hardship that would entail.

[salin]

24. say how much his audience doesn't even think about what he says... HE

doesn't pay the salaries of folks working at The Factor. His taxes going up are completely independent of the earnings of his show - unless higher taxes somehow make him lose audiences - in which case ad revenues might drop and then layoffs but that would be about his losing audience, which has no logical connection to his taxes going up.

If they were thinking about what he said they'd scratch their heads and go wth? But they don't.

[BeyondGeography]

7. Contessa Brewer showed more fire than just about every Dem on the hill on this

Strange days.

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. There is something in the water now

Also the Rs have lost control of the message, methinks.

[ChiciB1]

11. Perhaps It May Have Something To Do With The Murdoch Stuff.

I'm not sure, but it seems he REALLY was worse than even I imagined. How this person became so all powerful is quite amazing. He seems to have been a silent DICTATOR that all too many people knew about. And that all too many people were/are afraid to cross.

I would like to think this has something to do with it because it would restore "some" of my faith that has been lost. I've been so upset and negative for so many years now that I even find myself questioning disclaimers on products that are sold in stores. That's pretty cynical too!

I do find it hard to believe that there won't be a LOT of loose lips by people doing a LOT OF CYA! When it's their ox being gored and "the man" doesn't have a safety net for them, betrayal comes quickly. As we all know, crude crooked people aren't the most loyal in the face of diversity.

AGAIN... CYA generally trumps all, IMO.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. I'll go beyond that

Some serious people have started to realize that we are in pretty serious trouble and the last thirty years of propaganda is just that.

Yes, Fox helped, the echo machine is part of it... but the THREAT of empire collapse is making people have a come to Jesus moment.

[ChiciB1]

15. Then As One Who Is At The Very Least Agnostic, I Might Just Start Praying

that what you say is the truth. Again, I do feel there will be many who will be jumping ship before it might sink.

I stopped using the word HOPE quite some time ago, but I do have many wishes that I want to come true.

THIS is one of them, even though I know that there will always be some big shot pulling strings somewhere. But perhaps not to this extreme, and maybe there will be more room for "investigative" journalism again.

We shall see.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Trust me I am agnostic as well.,

But we are seeing something similar functionally, to perestroika I think.

It came near the end of the Russian Empire for functional reasons that were similar as well,

[ChiciB1]

18. It's Still Not Defined As Yet, But Restructuring Is Seriously Needed.

After that it will be necessary for it to become a force that maintains balance. Empires do fall, but I've felt at times that THIS empire (USA) was the one in decline and ready to fall.

Some say that China will be the next big one to rise, but I'm not sure of that. Still wouldn't bet money on it not being the one.

No matter, WE need to get things in order or we WILL certainly suffer some very dire consequences. If this is the time where the citizens of this country come back to reality, then I for one welcome it with open arms. It's been going down for much too long.

But again, it's going to take a lot and I'm not totally sure it's going to happen.

There's that cynicism again.

[socialist_n_TN]

23. I haven't really been watching the MSM much lately........

but just from posts ABOUT things that are going on in the MSM, nadin I believe you are quite correct. That would be welcome.

[EC]

13. Yeah, strange, as soon as Contessa Brewer got back

all of a sudden someone is standing up to the repubs and calling them on their bull.

[closeupready]

21. I still don't like her. Not even a little.

nt