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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:51 AM
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Dean Baker: The Phony Argument that Social Security Needs "Adjustments"
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 12:10 PM by amborin
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/035468.html


http://epi.3cdn.net/6b8be14ba47a517a97_uym6b5jbh.pdf

http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/06/15/a-brief-history-of-... /



Social Security: The Phony Crisis


Dean Baker and Mark Weisbrot

"The program will take in enough revenue to keep all of its promises for over 30 years, without any changes at all. Thirty years is a long time—it’s hard to think of any other program that can claim to be secure for that long. Furthermore, the forecast of a shortfall in 2034 is based on the economy limping along at less than a 1.7 percent annual rate of growth—about half the rate of the previous three decades. If the economy were to grow at 1998’s rate, for example, the system would never run short of money.

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....we may have to increase the system’s revenues at some point. Would this place an undue burden on the post-2034 labor force? Hardly. Even if we were to increase payroll taxes to cover the shortfall, the added cost would barely dent the average real wage in 2034, which will be over 30 percent higher than it is today....

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...The National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform set up by President Obama claims both that reducing the projected federal deficit should be a major national objective and that Social Security should be considered as one potential source of relief either through reducing benefits or enhancing revenues or some of both....

....the same attacks on Social Security have been going on — in different guises — for at least four decades. The stagflation of the 1970s, precipitated by the oil crisis of 1973-74, provided long-term, ideological critics of social insurance an opportunity to argue that such programs — retirement, survivors’ insurance, Medicare, disability coverage, unemployment — were unaffordable.....

.....What is crucial to understand is how devious and misleading such lines of argument are. They are best understood as an ideological remedy searching for plausible occasions to celebrate what was presumed. This strategic ploy is obvious in the case of Social Security pensions. Currently, Social Security is not suffering worrisome fiscal imbalances. The worry of the worriers is about 2035 or 2042 when, according to forecasts of the actuaries and CBO, there might well be some shortfall in revenues against predicted claims. .....

.....So the aging of baby boomers is the first premise, and the falling ratio of workers to retirees is the second. Together, these two premises suggest that there will be a need for cutbacks or increased contributory taxes. But if the baby boomers are growing in numbers and if Social Security is the ‘ third rail of American politics”, then critics had better scare citizens into accepting cuts now because it will be harder later on. Note, however, the deceits.......

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The Stealth Attack on America’s Best-Loved Program

........Washington bipartisan elites have been working to weaken Social Security since the mid-Clinton Administration. Clinton, prodded by his Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, was on the verge of cutting a deal with Newt Gingrich to partially privatize America’s most successful retirement program.
The intermediary was Clinton’s White House chief of staff Erskine Bowles. The same Bowles is now the co-chair of Obama’s fiscal commission — which also has designs on Social Security. Corporate Democrats keep turning up, like bad pennies.


......But what is it with Democrats like Bowles, Rubin, and Rubin’s protégé Peter Orszag, now director of the Office of Management and Budget and another of the deficit hawks who would weaken Social Security in order to cut the deficit....

......the argument that Social Security is adding to the federal deficit is a bum rap. Ever since Congress in 1983 acted to anticipate the retirement of the baby boom generation by raising Social Security taxes and pushing back the retirement age from 65 to 67, Social Security has contributed trillions of dollars to a government surplus. The intent was to pre-fund the additional cost of the boomers......

.....Social security taxes wages. Get wage growth back to historic postwar norms, and Social Security is in surplus forever. Restore the traditional fraction of wages that are taxed, so that affluent people do not get a free ride on part of their income, and the proclaimed crisis disappears. There is no need to further cut benefits, or further raise the retirement age, or raise taxes on working Americans. If only Citigroup’s balance sheet were as healthy as Social Security’s!.....

http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/06/18/the-stealth-attack-on-america%e2%80%99s-best-loved-program-12715/
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:53 AM
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1. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!
:bounce:

:hi:

:kick:
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:55 AM
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2. Many thanks!! nt
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:48 PM
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11. Indeed thanks. Now if the politicians would just tell the truth
about SS, it would put a lot of minds to rest. The so-called conservatives have been trying to undermine SS for years, as well as other productive social programs, as well as workers rights(say unions). Their agenda is pure unadulterated unleished dog-eat-dog capitalism.
Another thing that ranckles me is the GOP support of economic slavery, the using of available cheap foreign labor purely for profit.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:56 AM
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3. Off to greatest with you
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 11:56 AM
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4. recommend
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:06 PM
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5. Even beyond the next 30 years....
I think it's projected to be able to pay 80% or 90% of benefits in years beyond the next 30.

So while it's good to ensure SS stays strong, there is certainly no crisis.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:15 PM
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6. K & R for Dean Baker and telling it like it is. He has been doing
it since forever.

Thanks for his latest.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:16 PM
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7. K&R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:19 PM
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8. The only reason there's a 'crisis' is so the crooks can steal what's left.
Every place there's money, there's someone who wants to take it.
In the case of Social Security, it's Congress and the Executive.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:21 PM
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9. Wait
didn't Baker write this book in 2000 to counter privatization attack?

Baker:

<...>

But even if the dismal growth forecasts turn out to be true, and the program eventually runs a deficit, it’s not exactly the end of the world. For one thing, the Social Security system would be far from “broke.” While it would indeed be short of revenue to maintain promised benefits, it would still be able to pay retirees higher real benefits than they are receiving today. And the nation has managed obligations of this size in the past: the financing gap would be roughly equal to the amount by which we increased military spending between 1976 and 1986 (a period in which we were not, incidentally, at war).

<...>

Social Security isn't in danger of running out of money, but it can still be strengthened.

BTW, there are some radical proposals at New Deal 2.0, interesting, but definitely controversial.

Cut the Payroll Tax to Save Social Security

Reality Check: Why Truth Will Protect Social Security



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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:51 PM
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13. Dean Baker is founded CEPR, not new Deal
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 06:41 PM
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18. Yes, but
the New Deal 2.0 is also linked to in the OP.

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:34 PM
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10. That is a lot of verbiage that says we need to get our Living Wage Jobs back into this country.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 12:50 PM
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12. This is required reading for all Democrats. HUGE K&R
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econoclast Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:18 PM
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14. Sure hope Dean Baker is right ... but I doubt it
Since he is so certian that SS is just fine and dandy how about this...

I propose a credit default swap on SS.

It will work like this....If we do nothing about SS & it turns out that SS is just fine and actual benefits can continue being paid to me as currently planned or more ... I will pay to Dean Baker $50.00 ( fifty dollars ) per month each and every month during which this condition prevails. Since Baker seems to think that this is a near certainty he should consider this free money.

However,


If we do nothing about SS and it occurs that the benefits promised me under SS cannot be paid in the amounts promised, Dean Baker pays to me the difference between my promised benefits and my actual benefits received. Again, since Baker seems to think that this will never happen he never has to worry about this occurring.


So Baker should agree to take this deal if he is a rational economic agent and he beleives what he says. ANybody know how to put this proposal to the good Dean Baker?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 01:39 PM
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15. You can take it up with him right here:
Edited on Fri Jul-15-11 01:51 PM by chill_wind
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-11 06:40 PM
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16. kick
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 06:40 PM
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17. kicking again, just in case
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-16-11 06:44 PM
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19. "Keep Social Security Safe from Politicians Who Want to "Save" It"
by Dean Baker

"Social Security is more important than ever......

Already, two thirds of people age 65 rely on it for more than half
their income. ......


Fortunately, the program is fundamentally solid. While you can sound
really smart in Washington by saying that Social Security is going
bankrupt, the facts say the opposite. According to the Social Security
trustees' report, if we did absolutely nothing the program could pay
every penny of scheduled benefits through the year 2036.


Even if we never did anything, Social Security could always pay near 80
percent of scheduled benefits. While it would be unacceptable to pay
people a smaller benefit than had been promised, the scheduled benefits
for new retirees are projected to rise by 1 percent a year in excess of
prices. This means that in 2036, the average scheduled benefit for a
new retiree will be more than 25 percent higher than it is today.


If new retirees in 2036 got just 80 percent of their scheduled benefit
they would still be receiving a benefit that is larger than what
retirees get today. This assumes that no changes are ever made to shore
up Social Security's finances. In other words, there is no plausible
story in which our children or grandchildren will have to worry that
there won't be anything there for them.


There is a lot of other nonsense being circulated about Social
Security. Many opponents of Social Security insist that its $2.6
trillion trust fund does not exist or that it is "just sheets of
paper." The trust fund is held in the form of U.S. government bonds,
which are indeed sheets of paper. However, investors everywhere eagerly
seek out these "sheets of paper" as the safest asset in the world.


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The only problem
is the politicians who say they want to save it.

http://groups.google.com/group/socialist-economics/browse_thread/thread/7def40d55416f69d/0237e2a2c72790d4?show_docid=0237e2a2c72790d4



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