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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:46 AM
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How many Dems will run on protecting Social Security & Medicaid
The Grand Bargain if nothing else has solidified a Majority of Americans in recognizing they need Congressional and Senate Representatives that will protect Social Security and Medicaid

Could this be a prelude to a route of Republicans in the House and Senate
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:49 AM
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1. If there are any cuts to either program in Obama's grand bargain, probably very few
Edited on Sun Jul-17-11 12:50 AM by DJ13
Especially among those who vote for the debt ceiling increase under pressure from the WH.

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:57 AM
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3. I think the "Grand Bargain" is DOA at the time
the Repubs are currently enjoying polling showing more Americans trust them with protecting Social Security and Medicaid. I personally think the Deficit and Debt Spending talks are going to change that
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:07 AM
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4. We'll see, but for the people and our own party I hope those two items are removed
The vote for the Ryan plan is one of the greatest weapons any political party could have heading into an election season, I would hate for our own WH to throw that away just to look unnecessarily conservative in fiscal matters.

Why the WH thinks conservative Republicans would look twice at voting for Obama in 12 is a mystery.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:12 AM
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5. Certainly has solidified and mobilized a Majority of Americans
just need to establish where the DEMs are on the issue and historically they have been defending it for decades
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 12:52 AM
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2. plenty will run in Democratic primaries.
Getting elected without any help from the DNC will be a problem though.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:26 AM
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6. All of them can now since none of the Republicans want to protect those programs.
I can't believe the President called their bluff and the GOP fell for it.
You could see it coming months ago, and now the Republicans are not going to agree to any deal, so they will have to raise the debt ceiling without any cuts, or face the voters for NOT having raised the debt ceiling.

And brother, if you think we're in trouble now, if they fail to raise the debt ceiling, there is going to be a mad dash on the stock market to sell off and convert to cash.
And then all bets are off, the casino closes, and the chips are taken off of the table permanently.
And not one single Republican is going to be able to stand up and say he was willing to compromise with President Obama when it comes time for next year's elections.
There is not one Republican out there, except for Ron Paul, who is disagreeing with Boehner and the boys about not raising the debt ceiling.

And every single GOP Senator will lose his re-election bid, you can bet the farm on that.
There will be no cover for them to hide under once the sun comes out!

"Oh brother, where art thou?" ~ another great movie Clooney was in.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:27 AM
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7. Protecting Social Security means changing it as it fails long range actuarial projections
Social Security

Social Security expenditures exceeded the program’s non-interest income in 2010 for the first time since 1983. The $49 billion deficit last year (excluding interest income) and $46 billion projected deficit in 2011 are in large part due to the weakened economy and to downward income adjustments that correct for excess payroll tax revenue credited to the trust funds in earlier years. This deficit is expected to shrink to about $20 billion for years 2012-2014 as the economy strengthens. After 2014, cash deficits are expected to grow rapidly as the number of beneficiaries continues to grow at a substantially faster rate than the number of covered workers. Through 2022, the annual cash deficits will be made up by redeeming trust fund assets from the General Fund of the Treasury. Because these redemptions will be less than interest earnings, trust fund balances will continue to grow. After 2022, trust fund assets will be redeemed in amounts that exceed interest earnings until trust fund reserves are exhausted in 2036, one year earlier than was projected last year. Thereafter, tax income would be sufficient to pay only about three-quarters of scheduled benefits through 2085.

Under current projections, the annual cost of Social Security benefits expressed as a share of workers’ taxable wages will grow rapidly from 11-1/2 percent in 2007, the last pre-recession year, to roughly 17 percent in 2035, and will then dip slightly before commencing a slow upward march after 2050. Costs display a slightly different pattern when expressed as a share of GDP. Program costs equaled roughly 4.2 percent of GDP in 2007, and are projected to increase gradually to 6.2 percent of GDP in 2035 and then decline to about 6.0 percent of GDP by 2050 and remain at about that level.

The projected 75-year actuarial deficit for the combined Old-Age and Survivors Insurance and Disability Insurance (OASDI) Trust Funds is 2.22 percent of taxable payroll, up from 1.92 percent projected in last year’s report. This deficit amounts to 17 percent of tax receipts, and 14 percent of program outlays.

The 0.30 percentage point increase in the OASDI actuarial deficit and the one-year advance in the exhaustion date for the combined trust funds primarily reflects lower estimates for death rates at advanced ages, a slower economic recovery than was assumed last year, and the one-year advance of the valuation period from 2010-2084 to 2011-2085.

While the combined OASDI program continues to fail the long-range test of close actuarial balance, it does satisfy the conditions for short-range financial adequacy. Combined trust fund assets are projected to exceed one year’s projected benefit payments for more than ten years, through to 2035. However, the Disability Insurance (DI) program satisfies neither the long-range nor short-range tests for financial adequacy. DI costs have exceeded non-interest income since 2005 and trust fund exhaustion is projected for 2018; thus changes to improve the financial status of the DI program are needed soon.

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:10 AM
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9. A large part of John Kerry's platform
was raising the CAP so social security would remain solvent past 2037
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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:29 AM
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11. What rate of return would be paid on the marginal increase in SS tax resulting from lifting of the
cap?

In other words how can forcing taxpayers to put even more money into the system solve anything? The problem is rate of return, if we do not get the economy moving again, SS will pay out very low rate of return..


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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:51 AM
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12. I think the principle structural issue is wages and high unemployment.
I see no indication the system was designed to deal with flat wages and declining wages have to be krptonite for the program.

The economy can move all it wants but if the people that pay into the program never see the benefit then the sustainability is questionable, at best.

Throw in rapid down cycles where many are out of work for a year or two or more years and it gets ugly.

We are on a path that even huge output, record profits, and a booming stock market aren't going to help us.

We have to foster demand and punish hoarding by dragons.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:00 AM
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13. Difference being Tax Code vs: FICA
all the problems your citing are a result of a wealth friendly Tax code's influence
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:34 AM
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14. Right. I think the tax code is the lever to restore the proper balance to FICA
Fixing the one will have tremendous influence on the other.

Make those with the resources distribute them properly and the FICA picture improves drastically.

Most issues can't be looked at in a vacuum and be understood in context.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 11:05 AM
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16. Current Corp Tax Code inhibits reinvestment in America
and the American worker as well as Personal Income Tax laws encouraging the huge disparity in Wealth accumulation amongst the Wealthy Elite.

Closing Corp Tax Loopholes, Restructuring Corp Taxes to a more equitable system that allows Small Business and Start-up Corps to compete as well as encouraging R&D would go a very long way to restoring the economy
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 01:52 AM
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8. It's sad that this question even has to be asked about any of
our Democratic candidates running....
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 09:13 AM
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10. All the ones that get my vote will. I know that. n/t
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 10:42 AM
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15. It doesn't matter what anyone from either/any party 'runs on.' They run on
what they think will get them a win.

And if they win, it doesn't matter what they 'ran on', they do what they want to.

If they are not weasels when elected, they become weasels in short order. After that, the concern in the next election so they can stay at the feed trough.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 11:08 AM
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17. .....
:thumbsup:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-11 11:45 AM
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18. I don't trust any of them...
including Obama.
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